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Not to go off topic but I was just on YJ website it's pretty sad that the 2015 class have just as many commits then the 2014 class already. What happen to all the gold players did the reality finally set in they were just another check and they don't have a chance to play on a team in college other then club...maybe this will start the trend of not just writing a check and allowing your kid to play on the fourth team to benefit CR wallet...look what she got ya...nothing!!!! Wake up people stop just putting $$ in her pocket out of two gold teams there are about 7 commits out of about 50 kids....really sad

So what happened at hofstra? 2018 blk lost to 2019?

So true! But she will make sure that she lists all of the championships and finalists teams she has. In some cases they list a team as a finalist and they did not even make the semi finals of the listed tournament.

I am NOT A FAN however be fair, there will be a place for every single one of these players to play in college if they want. Might be a low ranked small low level D1 school. Or a D2 school with a $2,500 scholorship or a D3 team. But maybe just maybe, some kids have not settled and are going to a better academic school and leaving lacrosse behind rather then go to the ACME college just to say the played college lacrosse.

Well said. Go to the best academic school and play lacrosse. several pages back there is a discussion about playing for a lesser D1 school with terrible academics versus getting into a great school in D3. Sure there is money to be had at D1 and you can look back at some of the D1 schools and laugh at the tuition versus the school. Bottom line is after four years of school lacrosse is over and life begins; a school with better academics and a strong alumni is going to be more important.

Going to the best academic school you can get into is definitely not the answer in many situations.Pick the school that best fits you,ie. a school with kids and coaches you like, a school that is the right distance from home for you,a school with the weather you like, a school that is the size you want , the list goes on and on.Many if not most schools have honors programs so if the academics in general are not up to your standards that's a possibility. If you are planning on going to graduate school you may sometimes be better going to a school you can flourish at then to a school that may be very difficult academically.There is way more to it than go to a school that you would not have gotten into without lacrosse. Yes we all get there is something to you need to plan for life after lacrosse but there is also something to be said about following your dream, if that dream is winning a national title so be it.

I agree and have encouraged my daughter to attend a school that will put her in the best position for grad school. However, your story leaves out the fact that most PA programs nationwide now have roughly 1500-1800 applications annually for approximately 50 seats. This leaves out many over-qualified students from acceptance and is strictly a function of capacity. The same is now true for PT programs also. My point is that it may have nothing to do with the rigor of their undergrad program and may strictly be numbers. A 3.6 is a fantastic undergrad GPA and SHOULD be enough, but with the nature of acceptance these days into health professions, it is not.

Yes, a 3.6 GPA is an excellent score however the curriculum at Sacred Heart University (SAT Two-Way Admission Average = 1000 Combined) is viewed as inferior.

Hence, her "free" college experience left this talented student short when it came to getting into a named graduate school. [Side Note : One of the schools with a strong PA program that waitlisted this candidate was indeed Hofstra University.] Free is not always free.

Yes, a 3.6 GPA is an excellent score however the curriculum at Sacred Heart University (SAT Two-Way Admission Average = 1000 Combined) is viewed as inferior.

Hence, her "free" college experience left this talented student short when it came to getting into a named graduate school. [Side Note : One of the schools with a strong PA program that waitlisted this candidate was indeed Hofstra University.] Free is not always free.

last year 2014-2019 teams posted mid november after the last fall tournament...the 2020/2021's did not try out until first week of December (indoors) and I believe they posted those soon after the tryouts....The first week of the new year is when you register for your spot on the team and a final roster comes out sometime mid to end of January...Hope that helps.

Is there a tryot fee for 2021's?

problem is you pay before you really know your final roster which sometimes has some surprises both with different players and huge numbers. Buyer beware!

Here is another point of view from a business owner...
I do not necessarily weigh the undergraduate degree nearly as much as the graduate. News to many but the corporate world will tell you it almost doesn't matter WHERE you get your BA from it matters how well you performed in it's quest. I weigh your Masters degree school of choice far more. My advice is to do your best to graduate with as little debt from your undergrad program and spend your money on your grad work. This means "take the offer with the most to offer". I know there will be those who do not agree with this approach and that's fine, but if you check with corporate HR's and head hunters it will prove to be valuable.

For example, from a SUNY perspective, my firm (and others) don't even look unless it is Geneseo, Binghamton or Buffalo.

Interesting since this would mean that you are omitting the highest ranking SUNY school on the US News and World Reports National Ranking.

Just to be clear, if you are considering schools in the Top 30 Nationally, none of these options are even close. Our point is that the discussion can be about the strongest national universities (Top 30), the top state university school systems, or the best value for money in public and private institutions. Rarely will you be able to intersect all three of these criteria.

Let's put it this way. I think it's smarter to go to a school that will pay for your education through an athletic scholarship, work hard to get great grades and graduate debt free. After you graduate you are in the drivers seat meaning you can backpack through Europe or begin graduate school at any school you choose because you can now afford it. Some kids go to name brand schools with enormous tuition only to graduate with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt. Why? Today's market looks at the grad school diploma and the achievements made along the way. No debt, great grades and lots of playing time result in a stress frees start to the rest of your life upon graduation which is what all parents want for their kids.

My daughter is a YJ 2014 and between athletic and academic, which are roughly equal, she will get about 92% of her tuition paid for, so please don't say it can't happen. And the school she is attending is a top-ranked school (top 10%) for placing students in graduate school. So please don't make gross generalizations about individual situations.

Without naming the institution, this contribution means absolutely nothing.

Frankly Cage, I am shocked that you would ask me to post identifying information for a child. Clearly her name is linked to this school on the YJ website and I would rather that not everyone who trolls this site know our financial details. Suffice it to say that the school has a 97% acceptance rate for their grads into med and law school, are in the top 5 of graduation rate for their athletes and have a two-part SAT requirement in the mid 1200s. If you would like to go through the task of triangulating that information to figure it out, go right ahead. My point was to say that there is athletic money out there and it is not only for lower-tiered institutions. That's all. No need to have a totally nasty response to my original post.

Frankly Poster, I am shocked that you would advertise information about your family's financial situation without offering to back up your facts with the school name.

If your child and her school are on another web site, she has already been identified. Actually, what shocks you is that BOTC caught you with your hand in the cookie-jar bragging about the details and now you want to back way from the limelight.

We said that your post meant nothing. BOTC stands by that view. Put it this way : what exactly is another parent or student-athlete to do with your information? BOTC walks away with the impression that academics are more important than athletics which is the message that we have been stressing to the community over and over again.

Posters are quick to offer the "full-ride evidence" until they are asked to identify the school. Only then do the privacy bars get installed - after the bragging is completed, of course.

The problem we have in youth sports is that parents include academic, grant, and financial aid information in their "full-ride" description, giving the impression that athletics were the key to the scholarship. This might serve the purpose of the clubs, but does not serve the community well.

Interesting since this would mean that you are omitting the highest ranking SUNY school on the US News and World Reports National Ranking.

Just to be clear, if you are considering schools in the Top 30 Nationally, none of these options are even close. Our point is that the discussion can be about the strongest national universities (Top 30), the top state university school systems, or the best value for money in public and private institutions. Rarely will you be able to intersect all three of these criteria.

My daughter is a YJ 2014 and between athletic and academic, which are roughly equal, she will get about 92% of her tuition paid for, so please don't say it can't happen. And the school she is attending is a top-ranked school (top 10%) for placing students in graduate school. So please don't make gross generalizations about individual situations.

Frankly Poster, I am shocked that you would advertise information about your family's financial situation without offering to back up your facts with the school name.

If your child and her school are on another web site, she has already been identified. Actually, what shocks you is that BOTC caught you with your hand in the cookie-jar bragging about the details and now you want to back way from the limelight.

We said that your post meant nothing. BOTC stands by that view. Put it this way : what exactly is another parent or student-athlete to do with your information? BOTC walks away with the impression that academics are more important than athletics which is the message that we have been stressing to the community over and over again.

Posters are quick to offer the "full-ride evidence" until they are asked to identify the school. Only then do the privacy bars get installed - after the bragging is completed, of course.

The problem we have in youth sports is that parents include academic, grant, and financial aid information in their "full-ride" description, giving the impression that athletics were the key to the scholarship. This might serve the purpose of the clubs, but does not serve the community well.

My daughter is a YJ 2014 and between athletic and academic, which are roughly equal, she will get about 92% of her tuition paid for, so please don't say it can't happen. And the school she is attending is a top-ranked school (top 10%) for placing students in graduate school. So please don't make gross generalizations about individual situations.

Big deal, all players from YJ are getting at least that or more at even better colleges.

I think the point being made is what some call the "Woodstock Phenomenon"--meaning the number of people who claimed to go far exceeds the number who actually went. So when the moderator hears so many almost 100% "free rides" for lacrosse he knows it is not the case. The moderator wants to be far and educate those who have athletes
that want to pursue lacrosse at the collegiate level. All the moderator is saying is that what is usually a good financial package consists of many components, one of which is an athletic scholarship. The balance of "the package" comes from other tuition assistance.

There are only 12 total scholarship opportunities per team (so 3 per year if even out). The average scholarship, per the NCAA, is 33% of tuition. The balance of money comes from academic and financial needs. So if your athlete gets hurt and can't play they will most likely lose the athletic scholarship because the school will use it for a healthy athlete.

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