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Don't you people get it? Colleges don't care how old the kid is. It goes strictly by graduating year, yes it puts some kids who are the traditional age for their grade a disadvantage. But the older kids are NOT breaking any rules. It was their parents choice for whatever reason, you could have done it too, so stop crying and man up. The prep school model has it all well planned and executed, thats why roughly 80%+ of top 20 D1 rosters are made up of prep school kids! Most "regular" kids have many more obstacles to over come than most of us first timers ever thought.

Best post on the subject yet! My son is a late 1999 birthday and I am actually kicking myself that I didnt hold him back. It looks like a PG year will be in his future. Live and learn.

Don't you people get it? Colleges don't care how old the kid is. It goes strictly by graduating year, yes it puts some kids who are the traditional age for their grade a disadvantage. But the older kids are NOT breaking any rules. It was their parents choice for whatever reason, you could have done it too, so stop crying and man up. The prep school model has it all well planned and executed, thats why roughly 80%+ of top 20 D1 rosters are made up of prep school kids! Most "regular" kids have many more obstacles to over come than most of us first timers ever thought.

wonder why this kid plays for a LI club when he has Pedators and Primetime? Seems strange, unless we agree that Express is a surperior program, and worth the 2 hr+ commute. He may be "from" bronxville but trained on LI.

Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.

The Predators only started last year with the 2017 age group. The 2014 age group existed for only a couple of years and the Predators helped get a lot of their kids recruited. If the Predators had existed four or five years ago when this kid began his career things may have worked out differently. The fact that this kid plays with the express has more to do with past decisions when the Predators option didn't exist for him. It doesn't mean the Express program is superior.

So how does a PG year work ? Instead of being recruited as a 2017 and committing as a soph / junior he/she will wait until 2018 when they are in a PG school to try and commit ? Will there be spots available or do you committ as a 2018 when your a junior for 2017?

Most times if a college is interested in you but their recruiting year is full for that year, they will commit to your kid for the following year and suggest you do a year at a Prep school. So technically youll be committed but it will be a year delayed and with the condition that you go to a prep school.

Exactly. And isn't he a Terp Black now ORANGE player? Haven't several of you called his team a "B team" over the past year or so on this board? Many more to come from this talented motivated group.

How are Jesters 2017 looking this year?

Looking like clowns with those uniforms. But seriously, how would anyone know when tryouts just ended? You'll get the "they look like they upgrade a lot" from those on the team, which means nothing.

Looking like clowns with those uniforms. But seriously, how would anyone know when tryouts just ended? You'll get the "they look like they upgrade a lot" from those on the team, which means nothing.

Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!

Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!

Last years first was a MD prep school f/o kid to Virginia. The fist LI kid from 2016 was also a f/o kid to Penn state. Both are listed in top 60 sophomore ranking in IL.

Here is an IL article about the first 2017 to commit. Clearly states that the first 2 2017 commits have already turned 15 earlier this year.

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/news/...unc-flood-gates-open-class-2017-recruits

You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.

Last years first was a MD prep school f/o kid to Virginia. The fist LI kid from 2016 was also a f/o kid to Penn state. Both are listed in top 60 sophomore ranking in IL.

The difference is a great 15 year old 2017 player would normally be a good 15 year old 2016 player!

Wrong. Forrey Smith was the first to commit last year (Hopkins). Sam Offut committed afterwards to UVA (and there was at least one kid who committed between them.

Since when is Bronxville on Long Island? Perhaps our southern friends need a geography lesson. If anyone is obsessed it's you, with a certain island.

You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/news/...unc-flood-gates-open-class-2017-recruits

What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?

What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?

You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!

That's why Lax is a rich mans sport. Not all of us can afford to hold our kids back and pay for extra years of school. My son who is a Varsity player headed to D1 is already saying that when he has kids, he will hold them back. Sad! If I could do all over again, I would hold my boys back a year from kindergarten. That seems like the best time to do it. I guess I never got the memo!

And don't forget you're a year more mentally advanced which helps on the field.

Just to put a fine point on it - Jake Reed said 82 out of the 120 kids at this summer's Jake Reed Rising Freshman Camp (2017s) were a year older than what a typical 2017s age would imply. My son was there and is normal age, but I must be the idiot as so many kids are being held back.

For those of you who are mathematically challenged in MD and PA, that's nearly 70 PERCENT of all the kids that made Jake Reed were a year or more older. Really? That is so shocking. I can't imagine that a year or more of physical maturity would make a difference in athletics. What are the chances?
When will respected people in this sport step up and right this disgraceful wrong??? I challenge folks like Reed and others to stop fueling this sitation and go to an age based system for their camps. This way, everyone is on an even playing field. Additionally, college coaches will actually get a better representation of the players abilities are against competition their own age. A win-win for everyone. I further challenge US Lacrosse and tournament organizers to enforce strict age rules. Further, LI clubs should band together and keep our teams away from tournaments that do not go by these rules. When you cut off the cash flow, you'll get people's attention. Also, parents, demand from your teams that they only play verified age based tournaments. Those teams that want to play up, should obviously be free to do so. This has got to be stopped. NO OTHER SPORT OPERATES LIKE THIS!

ok: so to move this commitment discussion forward; our true 14 yo has a legit offer on the table to take if he wants to a D1 school.

we are not so comfortable with the concept as what is to stop a school from taking the offer back on a purely verbal agreement if the kid blows out a knee or some other unfortunate situation in the interim?

Then of course there are the stringent academic requirements of this particular institution. So if one takes the offer and commits, and does not meet the prerequisite conditions; will that same kid be able to take other offers later on down the road to other schools if they come available?

thanks for any insight from those who may have been there

I'm so happy I don't have a son in the class of 2017. You people are sick!