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I'm so happy I don't have a son in the class of 2017. You people are sick!

For those of you who are mathematically challenged in MD and PA, that's nearly 70 PERCENT of all the kids that made Jake Reed were a year or more older. Really? That is so shocking. I can't imagine that a year or more of physical maturity would make a difference in athletics. What are the chances?
When will respected people in this sport step up and right this disgraceful wrong??? I challenge folks like Reed and others to stop fueling this sitation and go to an age based system for their camps. This way, everyone is on an even playing field. Additionally, college coaches will actually get a better representation of the players abilities are against competition their own age. A win-win for everyone. I further challenge US Lacrosse and tournament organizers to enforce strict age rules. Further, LI clubs should band together and keep our teams away from tournaments that do not go by these rules. When you cut off the cash flow, you'll get people's attention. Also, parents, demand from your teams that they only play verified age based tournaments. Those teams that want to play up, should obviously be free to do so. This has got to be stopped. NO OTHER SPORT OPERATES LIKE THIS!

Well said, but doubt it will happen, too far gone

Regarding the age discrepancies in Lax: Are people sure this kind of thing doesn't happen in football and basketball or even soccer for that matter? I really don't know, but given the advantages, I can't imagine it doesn't happen in those sports too. I just don't know. Can someone shed light on this?

borrowed from 2021 thread.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/10/redshirting-kindergarten-backfire-education

In soccer, this does not happen for three reasons.

First, everything from tournaments to leagues to showcases are driven by U-age brackets with hard and fast dates on the age groups.

Second, everything is sanctioned with player passes required; all of the player passes have the player's birthdate which had to be secured along with a copy of the birth certificate.

Third, every tournament event reviews the medical releases and player passes for each team member before allowing the team to participate.

Due to these three scenarios, holding back a player serves no value.

Team Long Island is age based.

In soccer, this does not happen for three reasons.

First, everything from tournaments to leagues to showcases are driven by U-age brackets with hard and fast dates on the age groups.

Second, everything is sanctioned with player passes required; all of the player passes have the player's birthdate which had to be secured along with a copy of the birth certificate.

Third, every tournament event reviews the medical releases and player passes for each team member before allowing the team to participate.

Due to these three scenarios, holding back a player serves no value.

Cage, those well established rules certainly make success in soccer more about skill of player, than about uncontrolled variables such as age. I just don't see the system changing in lacrosse. Far to much control of the sport seems to come from prep schools, where most kids are "old" for there grade. And, as stated by several previous posts, the college coaches welcome these older players for their grade with open arms. Do you honestly think it is possible for this to actually change...or just wishful thinking?

Any one get invited to Jesters 2017 yet?

its a vitious cycle... if you hold a kid back... everyone is or will be so quick to preface any praise with the... "but he should be in the grade above"...
... and they would be right... just pointing out the inconvenient truth...

it's an unfair advantage... so take be prepared to take on the fall out when you red shirt your eighth grader

Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.

Not out yet

What day did the Jesters say they would send out the invites? Did not here anything yet.

Be prepared to take on the fallout?? Are you kidding me? Do you think any of these people actually care what you think or say?


Not out yet

Not out yet

but will be very soon as per a very reliable source. (to be directly mailed to accepted player homes)

they are only taking approx 50% of the kids from this summer.

Altough I don't agree, age advantage is not a new concept in sports. From Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers, the NHL statistics point to a proven edge: The result, Gladwell says, is "an iron law of Canadian hockey: in any elite group of hockey players - the very best of the best - 40 per cent of the players will have been born between January and March." Those born in the last quarter of the year might as well just "give up on hockey."

Should here very soon?

Does anyone have any feedback on which is better. Top 205 or National 175 for this summer. Which has more D1

Just one man's opinion on summer showcases:

1. Maverick Showtime
2. Jake Reed (but losing some favor b/c expanded # of kids)
3. Black Card Showcase (NSCLA members only)
4. National 175
5. Top 204
6. All others

Thanks for the feedback on order of showcases. You have Nat 175 higher than Top 205. If invited to both, and you want to only chose one, why do you feel Nat 175 is better?

I think Nat'l 175 and Top 205 are pretty close, with Nat'l 175 newer and a little better marketed, 205 around for a long time. Having said that, I know a few kids who made the All-Stars at Top 205 and got a lot of attention from colleges as a reasult (one committed to Syracuse who saw him first at Top 205).

Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.