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Good luck with that. The rebels aren’t in NLF or alliance (let’s see how that goes!) so at least some attrition is very likely. Many of the best players (not all though) go to where the most exposure and highest competition is and in late MS and HS that won’t be the rebels. If a top player remains on rebels I am sure they can still get recruited to a top program if they do the right things though. Our still the best bet/odds to stay with the proven orgs if you can in my opinion.
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Rebels parents started blowing smoke a couple years back. Most of their parents have zero experience at the youth level so early success got to their heads. Locally they are competitive but can’t come close to MD teams. They also have little understanding that at some point their better players will leave for the top two programs. Parents and players will need better coaching and more visibility. Rebels teams are decent in the early years but dismantle fast when it starts to matter. Can’t wait for the little elf to respond So there are only 2 options for the top kids? I thought LI had a bunch of clubs that send kids to good colleges. What about Igloo, Legacy, S2S? My 2031 is my oldest so this is all new. If my kid is that good wont he be recruited regardless of club team? And with does and ELF have to do with anything? Any club can have kids get into good schools. There are alot of good schools. If history repeats itself, 91 and Express will send the most high caliber players to the best schools. What people won’t say out loud is at the upper grades, those 2 clubs will have mulitple out of state players. Players of parents where money is no object and they are buying the brand to ensure their kid is seen at certain tournaments. They fly in and take playing time from the kids who have been there all along. Both of those clubs will turn over at least 50 percent of their players by 9th grade from now. Take your kid where they will play. As in being on the field for meaningful minutes. Not cleaning up in [Censored] time.
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Good luck with that. The rebels aren’t in NLF or alliance (let’s see how that goes!) so at least some attrition is very likely. Many of the best players (not all though) go to where the most exposure and highest competition is and in late MS and HS that won’t be the rebels. If a top player remains on rebels I am sure they can still get recruited to a top program if they do the right things though. Our still the best bet/odds to stay with the proven orgs if you can in my opinion. I would agree with this. However 91 and express (more so with 91) have dramatically changed their business plans. While 91 and express will have the most d1 commits, most of their top teams are made up of out of state players. If you look at a team like 91 crush they were made up of mostly Long Island kids. If you look at 91s 2025 and 2026 teams I would say 60-70 percent of those teams are made up of out of state players. These are players that just fly in from Florida etc, play in tournaments and then go home. They don’t practice with the team. This is just something to think about if you go to the top 2 programs.
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Good luck with that. The rebels aren’t in NLF or alliance (let’s see how that goes!) so at least some attrition is very likely. Many of the best players (not all though) go to where the most exposure and highest competition is and in late MS and HS that won’t be the rebels. If a top player remains on rebels I am sure they can still get recruited to a top program if they do the right things though. Our still the best bet/odds to stay with the proven orgs if you can in my opinion. I would agree with this. However 91 and express (more so with 91) have dramatically changed their business plans. While 91 and express will have the most d1 commits, most of their top teams are made up of out of state players. If you look at a team like 91 crush they were made up of mostly Long Island kids. If you look at 91s 2025 and 2026 teams I would say 60-70 percent of those teams are made up of out of state players. These are players that just fly in from Florida etc, play in tournaments and then go home. They don’t practice with the team. This is just something to think about if you go to the top 2 programs. It’s just become more based in reality because of how many kids are playing lacrosse now. With kids playing in more places than ever (not just Long Island, Maryland and Connecticut), it becomes incredibly difficult to grow a team of 15+ top tier Division 1 commits from a small geographic area. And the kids from areas that are not traditional hotbeds of lax are out there and looking for exposure. And they go for the name brand, tried and true labels. Guaranteed to get them into the right tournaments if the kid is good enough. And the parents are willing to pay for the plane fares and apartment rentals etc. The days of taking a bunch of kids from one town and sprinkling in a few from the next few towns in grade school and turning them into the Crush are over.
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Why would THE hotbed of lacrosse require out of state fly-in players?
As long as families still want their son's going to St. Anthony's and Chaminade, Express will still be a destination club.
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Alliance is already a joke with legacy and S2S as members.
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Good luck with that. The rebels aren’t in NLF or alliance (let’s see how that goes!) so at least some attrition is very likely. Many of the best players (not all though) go to where the most exposure and highest competition is and in late MS and HS that won’t be the rebels. If a top player remains on rebels I am sure they can still get recruited to a top program if they do the right things though. Our still the best bet/odds to stay with the proven orgs if you can in my opinion. I would agree with this. However 91 and express (more so with 91) have dramatically changed their business plans. While 91 and express will have the most d1 commits, most of their top teams are made up of out of state players. If you look at a team like 91 crush they were made up of mostly Long Island kids. If you look at 91s 2025 and 2026 teams I would say 60-70 percent of those teams are made up of out of state players. These are players that just fly in from Florida etc, play in tournaments and then go home. They don’t practice with the team. This is just something to think about if you go to the top 2 programs. It’s just become more based in reality because of how many kids are playing lacrosse now. With kids playing in more places than ever (not just Long Island, Maryland and Connecticut), it becomes incredibly difficult to grow a team of 15+ top tier Division 1 commits from a small geographic area. And the kids from areas that are not traditional hotbeds of lax are out there and looking for exposure. And they go for the name brand, tried and true labels. Guaranteed to get them into the right tournaments if the kid is good enough. And the parents are willing to pay for the plane fares and apartment rentals etc. The days of taking a bunch of kids from one town and sprinkling in a few from the next few towns in grade school and turning them into the Crush are over. I guess. I still think it’s a little rough for a kid that’s been practicing with the team 2-3 times a week for a few years. Then in 8th grade a kid from Florida (a year or two older) flies up and plays in the tournament and then flies home. It’s more of national model, not a local club model. 91 seems to be a much worse offender than express. As long as parents know that going in, the it’s their choice.
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I guess. I still think it’s a little rough for a kid that’s been practicing with the team 2-3 times a week for a few years. Then in 8th grade a kid from Florida (a year or two older) flies up and plays in the tournament and then flies home. It’s more of national model, not a local club model. 91 seems to be a much worse offender than express. As long as parents know that going in, the it’s their choice. Which team is flying kids in aside from Chucks?
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Let’s get back to how the Rebels [Censored] and watching the angry little elf get mad about it
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It's fairly simple, the best teams get recruited the most. College coaches are great at what they do. It has nothing to do with what org they are with. If a team has a top 10 team in every class, they will have tons of commits every year... bc they are top teams in the class. You saw it with shore 2 shore with their 23 team. They built a great team, with not much success in the recruiting world before that group and they had a ton of big recruits for that team... bc... you got it they were a great team. Dont let orgs fool you, if youre a top player go to the best team you can get meaningful minutes on as no matter the name attached, the best teams will get recruited the most. Regardless... you dont have to worry about recruiting at the moment, enjoy lax, let our kids be kids
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It's fairly simple, the best teams get recruited the most. College coaches are great at what they do. It has nothing to do with what org they are with. If a team has a top 10 team in every class, they will have tons of commits every year... bc they are top teams in the class. You saw it with shore 2 shore with their 23 team. They built a great team, with not much success in the recruiting world before that group and they had a ton of big recruits for that team... bc... you got it they were a great team. Dont let orgs fool you, if youre a top player go to the best team you can get meaningful minutes on as no matter the name attached, the best teams will get recruited the most. Regardless... you dont have to worry about recruiting at the moment, enjoy lax, let our kids be kids Exactly. Another great example is Legacy Taz. Not one of the big 2 and they are not in the NLF. Most of the team were D1 commits to top programs. Legacys teams at every other grade are average to above average at best. Coaches care about talent. Not what program you play for
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Those 2 teams had club owners and coaches sons on the them. They are both anomalies, bad examples in regards to the rebels 31. They recruited those teams over the course of 4-5 seasons. Rebels Stealth relies heavily on 2 players to produce over 95% of their offense. The Rebels have no depth outside the twins. Once those 2 leave the team dismantles.
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Those 2 teams had club owners and coaches sons on the them. They are both anomalies, bad examples in regards to the rebels 31. They recruited those teams over the course of 4-5 seasons. Rebels Stealth relies heavily on 2 players to produce over 95% of their offense. The Rebels have no depth outside the twins. Once those 2 leave the team dismantles. If that was the case then you could just put your 2 best long poles on them and the team would lose. You can’t win against top teams unless you have depth. Try again pal.
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Only thing worse than the Rebels are Rebels Parents
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Only thing worse than the Rebels are Rebels Parents Living rent free in your head.
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every rebels team falls apart as they get older …. how’s the 2030 team?
they were great when younger now everyone left fact
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every rebels team falls apart as they get older …. how’s the 2030 team?
they were great when younger now everyone left fact Not going to argue with a fool. Wait until the Spring. Once again, the Stealth will dominate.
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Only thing worse than the Rebels are Rebels Parents…. This statement is so true! Hahahhahaha! Such losers
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Didn’t stealth lose two torneys against express? Just asking.
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Because it’s a parent club to distribute Botox?
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These comments are pretty wild. LOL. There are there any other teams on Long Island worth noting?
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What's the Botox comment about?
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Didn’t stealth lose two torneys against express? Just asking. No they lost 1 braveheart game first tourney of year. Won all other tourneys they played in. Interesting to see how they do at NAL this summer. (Yes they are going)
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stealth lost one game all fall, yes to express. In an overtime Brave heart. That will not happen again
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Are they though? Rebels Stealth said they’d be at NAL in this past fall and they weren’t — finally leaving the tristate area. We’ll see.
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Rebels never said that. They are in NAL tourneys late spring-Summer.
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Chucks had an offensive scheme—it’ll probably happen. What’s the alliance: NE clubs (minus legacy players). For 31s the NE only took their own, I get it. How long has S2S been around? Are they full bore legitimate? Same Questions about mooselax.
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Mooselax plays in the B division. winter soldiers, chucks, and stealth are the real teams right of Long Island and seems like it depends on the game who wins.
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[quote=Anonymous]Any other options aside from Savage? Jp Brazel runs long pole training weekly. Good coach not cheap. /quote] Very good coach, but unsustainable prices and in a group clinic setting, frankly you get more for your money elsewhere. He give you group clinics at individual training rates (and the high end at that)
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Mooselax plays in the B division. winter soldiers, chucks, and stealth are the real teams right of Long Island and seems like it depends on the game who wins. Why does Chucks get love despite losing to S2S, Express East and 91? They only one because Stealth stars got benched from what I heard.
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Is there more of a benefit to being on the B team of the bigger programs that has multiple teams are each age level (Express, 91, Legacy) or being on one of the smaller programs (Rush, Turtles, Mooselax) who only has one team for that age group?
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Depends on the coach. Some B teams at the bigger programs have access to better coaching, some dont. Each individual case is different. Find good coaching and good training/development. Practices need to enhance a player’s abilities, if not, find a new club/team.
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Got benched during a braveheart…waaaaambulace took a few Rebel parents to the hospital that day!
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Waaaaambulance!! Lol! That's funny. So we are saying the twins got benched? That's tough to believe since they are the only two players on the whole team.
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The Rebels are a good team whether parents/coaches like them or not. Yes, they have 2-3 really strong players but they’re a good team as a whole.
Express Chucks lost EVERY game at NAL this fall. Why are they still in the conversation of being one on the “best” 2031 LI teams. They aren’t and won’t be — much better teams on the island (Igloo, Rebels, S2S)
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Is there more of a benefit to being on the B team of the bigger programs that has multiple teams are each age level (Express, 91, Legacy) or being on one of the smaller programs (Rush, Turtles, Mooselax) who only has one team for that age group? It really does depend. Most B teams at top clubs are money grabs. There are a few exceptions. The only 2 B teams at this level that put out a good product is rebels and 91. Both have good coaches and do well in b brackets. I would have my kid play for those 2 before the top team at true blue, turtles etc.
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Is there more of a benefit to being on the B team of the bigger programs that has multiple teams are each age level (Express, 91, Legacy) or being on one of the smaller programs (Rush, Turtles, Mooselax) who only has one team for that age group? It really does depend. Most B teams at top clubs are money grabs. There are a few exceptions. The only 2 B teams at this level that put out a good product is rebels and 91. Both have good coaches and do well in b brackets. I would have my kid play for those 2 before the top team at true blue, turtles etc. I agree with this both Warriors and Riot teams this year will be able to compete with some AA teams, but not are stacked and don't think are adding anyone. You can also add Igloo Wolves in there too if healthy. Rush, Turtles, Trueblue, S2S, Express are not there by far.
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Top 5 on LI:
Rebels Stealth Igloo winter Soldiers S2S Armada Express East Parengkuan Express Chucks
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