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What was excuses for other games they played? I thought they looked like a decent team . Destroyed sidewinders then lost to nationals ? And tied Denver elite? Sidewinders beat Denver elite on Sunday and they are terrible![/quote]

Don't know. Don't care. more interested in why a tourney would allow such blatant cheating. I watched Evolve played a good MD team in the final and they were bigger at every kid on the entire roster down the line. And that's a MD team I'm talking about.

Machine does look good. Who did they pick up since the WSYL tournament last summer?

Don't know. Don't care. more interested in why a tourney would allow such blatant cheating. I watched Evolve played a good MD team in the final and they were bigger at every kid on the entire roster down the line. And that's a MD team I'm talking about.[/quote]

"Blatant cheating" is a little harsh. Grouping kids by birth year makes it difficult to align with graduating year divisions so you can either play older kids and get crushed like the 2009 team did or you can play younger kids like the 2008 team did. That 2008 team would have gotten smoked in the 2026 division. The team and organizers probably looked at the level of talent in the 2027 division and figured that'd be the best match - and it probably was. LI Rage and Next Level both played them tight.

"Blatant cheating" is a little harsh. Grouping kids by birth year makes it difficult to align with graduating year divisions so you can either play older kids and get crushed like the 2009 team did or you can play younger kids like the 2008 team did. That 2008 team would have gotten smoked in the 2026 division. The team and organizers probably looked at the level of talent in the 2027 division and figured that'd be the best match - and it probably was. LI Rage and Next Level both played them tight.[/quote]

Would agree but majority of the team was rising 10th graders, not 9th. It was a class based tournament and evolve’s average age was much older. I guess we know you are from Canada and not NY.

I didn't use "eh" once and I don't play hockey. Just offering a theory as to why they played in that group. Their director probably argued that all the MD teams have a bunch of kids that should be rising 10th graders. Next Level or LI Rage families should be proud their kids did well against them and not so worried about missing out on a $2 medal.

Funny, but not only are you a holdback apologist, but also think directors should use the "eye test" or take coaches opinions instead of using age or class divisions. btw, Evolve would've gotten smoked in the division they should have played, the 26's. Rage easily beats them at a comparable class level.

Platinum Cup rules has age-cutoff of January 1 so seems like Evolve was placed properly.

Sorry hoser. Evolve was playing with mostly rising 10th graders. No mention of a January 1 cutoff. This is why The Circuit was such a big success. Age and class verification.

DIVISIONS – BOYS:
* 2024 (Grade 11)
* 2025 (Grade 10)
* 2026 (Grade 9)
* 2027 (Grade 8)
* 2028 (Grade 7)
* 2029 (Grade 6)
* 2030 (Grade 5)
OTHER INFO:
* This event is for Boys teams
* This is a AA event
* All players MUST register to participate
* All players MUST be members of USA Lacrosse
* Divisions are based on “grade completed” by Summer 2023
* The division that a team plays in is dictated by the oldest player on that team
* This event is open to any and all, limited only by age and number

Everytime Rage loses there are always complaints. [Censored] it up.

Click on "Tournament Rules" and you'll see the January 1 cutoff for each of the age groups. They may have added that just to include them.

Ugh oh. Lots of reclassers sweating this one out.

Tournament is already over dumb___

Hope everyone realizes that circuit only verifies online. Nobody verifies on the field.
Nothing stopping teams from putting whoever they want on the field come game time.

Tell me again Evolve didn’t bring 26’s to Platinum Cup. They got beat several times at a b level tourney by really bad clubs.

But they did verify and there were rules with limits and the clubs all agreed. The rosters did not change after January 1. It was a great effort and really well run. One look at the size of the players on the field told you it was different. It was also noticeably different looking at the rosters vs the same clubs rosters at different tournaments.

I disagree

The Circuit allows Nationals LC to play. Tells you all you need to know. They are the top organization when it comes to cheating with fluid rosters and older kids. If Nationals LC is present at a tournament, it is a second rate tournament with zero integrity or credibility.

They verify online. It’s meaningless! Nobody checks to see who is playing that day. I did not notice size being any different. Until there is a way to verify roster on field before game it’s all smoke and mirrors. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Saw the U.S. Club Lax rankings this am. Am not a Machine parent, but don’t know how they can only be at #5 after the run they’ve had at NAL and Millon. Not all wins were by a ton of points, but they have taken down some big names and are clearly the best team team in 2027 right now. No one else even has an argument.

oh, ok Massapequa Machine Dad. We get it... you're not a Machine parent (wink wink).

I think you answered your own question. I’m assuming because they win so many games by one point. I personally think that’s great coaching.

Ok bearded chaos

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.
Get your eyes checked.

Whatever
Whatever. One look at True National's team tells you all you need to know. None of these national or regional teams care about the class divisions. I would guess they are each carrying 5-7 players in the 2026 class. This is the worst tournament with the worst amount of cheating I've seen in a long time. On top of that, it might be the worst officiated both on the field and at the box.

A lot of mommy and daddy dreams bout to be crushed

If the kid will be a freshman next year, then he’s a 2027. I don’t like the reclass thing, but everyone has them and it’s just a fact of life in 2028 and older.

Not true. You become a 2027 when you attend school as a 2027. There's a reason why NLF is changing the rules. It's become so rampant as to make the sport a laughing stock.

Go to Tourney Machine for Naptown, select Documents and the first one is Player Eligibility and the first rule is: "All players must compete in the division with the class they were in during the 2022-2023 Academic year." If the kid was in 9th grade last year it is 100% cheating.

How was the One Percent (Team 91) Showcase?

There is tons from LI Express and all the other great clubs. Great event. Best one so far.

Awful....a lot of B team players there . Very sloppy play. Definitely not " the best of the best " .

Should rename it to 91's Coaches Kids ShowCase ....

They are the best in the country.

Exactly right . Complete waste of time and blatantly obvious who they " take care of " at this nothing " one percent " showcase . Never again

Hit the wall

Naptown is the premier recruiting event over the summer for high school. Over 400 colleges and universities recruit at this event over three days including numerous elite prep and private schools that recruit the youth age groups. More than NLF and NAL combined. 27s had #1, #2, #3, #4 ranked teams in country playing in this event this week. No other tournament in country can boast this. NLF will lose all reclass youth players going forward if they go to age verification. NLF will become like every other upper-level tournament for youth ages with this move. Nothing special about NLF teams if they need to play without all of the best players. Naptown will remain place for all on-age and reclass competition.

You want to truly clean up the reclass system, have the NCAA put a maximum age enrollment limit for incoming freshman. If freshman need a red shirt year to gain a physical advantage, which many do, they can take it freshman year.

Correction: The 27's, playing with a solid core of 26's, had #1, #2, #3, #4 ranked teams. When you think of the tournament in that light, you realize it wasn't that great. Not only were there many, many 26's playing as 27's, all but a handful are not reclassing or holding back this upcoming year because they are already in high school.

I also find it comincal high schools are out there trolling the 27's to consider their schools. It's late June. Are they really going to grease the kids so some kid can get into their school this fall? Or is the next step to tell them to begin the admission process in the fall towards a transfer and holdback in Fall of '24? I guess that's why this sport holds the position it does.

Tell that to all of the B team players you had there . Funny how clubs have kids that aren't good enough to make their A team sign up for a " best of the best showcase '. Comical

Why do you care?