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This is such an over blown issue - I’ve been around elite Youth lax for about 10 years now and I’ve met very few reclasses (ie kids who have been held back exclusively for sports advantage). Almost all of the kids I’ve met Tatar were held back was on the basis of academic or social developmental delays. In those cases sports with their new piers was essential to their successful transition.

You can agree with holdbacks, you can disagree with holdbacks, it really doesn't matter. Every team at the elite level has holdbacks. Some teams may have a few more than others but they all have them. To compensate True tried flying in National kids. Who cares? What it creates is a very strong lacrosse league that was fun to watch and had some teams that were very good. Congrats to the Hawks! In a league that was filled with holdback talent, National talent, and on age talent, they dominated and went undefeated. FCA was a close second loaded with offensive firepower, and the rest of the league was competitive. BLC and Team 91 finished at the bottom but belong in elite. Crabs, Madlax, Next Level, and True all talented teams. My son is not a holdback and plays on age, and just my opinion, is better off for playing against these talented teams. Good season by all the teams that competed at the elite level and hopefully all these teams will represent through the summer!

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Can't wait to get the juice on this one.

Top Unsurprising 2028 Coaching Headlines, edited to avoid litigation:

1) McLean, VA lax CEO's lack of emotional management, best defined as pumping pure adrenalin and primitive anger through a 60 IQ brain, is being piped into Congress to motivate them to do something, anything. Mosh pit reported, but no federal budget or immigration law. Stay tuned.

2) National Corporate Lacrosse Club's Directors and Staff still assembling AA, A, and B level teams for kids that clearly either haven't been coached or don't want to be playing lacrosse. "Worse than being grounded," kids say. "You'll be just like our Illinois Team! Train More!", coaches say.

4) Annapolis coaches with boring green and black uniforms now officially more insufferable than the club's parents. Uproarious laughing heard at 3Step corporate offices. Film at 11. Club dues payable to 3Step, 30 seconds after tryouts. Credit card fee applies but do not send cash or check.

5) Aspiring Baltimore County elite - and future legendary - coach finally realizes his elite coaching dream, leaves job at "lost" public Middle School for "future top 5 national" Towson area public High School. Keep it up youngster, every child has a dream!

6) "National Lax Program" Coach / Director has rare Zyrtec allergy that makes you sweat whiskey and slur speech at 4pm on a Monday while coaching kids. Allegedly will become part of experimental study in Switzerland to diagnose this affliction. Says his dream has always been to purchase local lax startup in Forest Hill, wait, Hereford, wait, Towson, wait Annapolis....he means...Zurich.... and rebrand it under his corporate program. Practices begin today. 5 biggest players will be rostered for the corporate elite team in Maryland for next year's HoCo season.

Generally holdbacks are already strong in their current class, and then become dominant once they move down, and the dominance is what inspires anger such as yours. If you want to dislike holdbacks, be my guest, but you are attacking a straw man if you think that the holdbacks running circles around your son were weak players in their original class.

As the 7th grade school year winds down, high school application season for this class will start to heat up. For DC, talent right now for 28 class is heavily concentrated at Landon and Mater Dei. It will be interesting to see how the Mater Dei kids split between Prep, Gonzaga, SJC. Also it will be interesting to see whether Dave M can bring any NL kids to DeMatha. I wouldn’t be surprised if some Landon kids opt to transfer to Bullis or SJC given the depth of the 27/28 classes at Landon if they want to see the field on varsity.

Have you tried putting your kid in cup stacking? Its a growing sport!!!!

And what makes you think this is a Madlax parent?

Please keep the discussion safe, thanks

It doesn’t matter. Still horrible.

Step in moderators. No place for this here.

Typical

It will be interesting to see where the Baltimore and Annapolis boys go.



As the 7th grade school year winds down, high school application season for this class will start to heat up. For DC, talent right now for 28 class is heavily concentrated at Landon and Mater Dei. It will be interesting to see how the Mater Dei kids split between Prep, Gonzaga, SJC. Also it will be interesting to see whether Dave M can bring any NL kids to DeMatha. I wouldn’t be surprised if some Landon kids opt to transfer to Bullis or SJC given the depth of the 27/28 classes at Landon if they want to see the field on varsity.[/quote]

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Landon 7/8 needs to improve a lot if they’re going to be driving kids away to Bullis and SJC. They can’t lose anyone if they want to be competitive in the IAC again.

Most Mater Dei kids who are 7th graders now will be going to Prep. Might catch one or two going Gonzaga/SJC. But vast majority headed Prep direction.

There's also zero integrity in coming onto a youth lacrosse message board anonymously to take a cheap shot at someone, so get off your high horse you simpleton.

#3 on next level in the fall and winter was amazing but didn't play well in HOCO that kid needs to stay out of his own head

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Who cares

Who talks about specific kids? You’re pathetic.

The kid himself…

This

Lol it's an overblown issue if you're in the public school.system. Already there are lax holdbacks stacking up "that I know of" at SP, Gilman, Loyola, McDonough, and obviously BL. And that's at the 2028-2029 levels. Dozens. Again it takes a while for the story to come out because few parents (except an SP dad) have been transparent about it....even when asked.

New to this site so take it easy on me. I have a question, is it normal for the upper level teams to send players down to lower level teams in the Hoco League for playoff games? There was a tense conversation in the stands during the AA playoffs where parents recognized 3-4 players from the upper team, playing for the lower team. The parents from that team said it was normal and encouraged. But the rules seem to say it's not. What am I missing? TIA.

oversight? That's the negotiated figure accepted by all parties.

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No need to be rude. I actually live in the area and found the post helpful.

I agree. Calling out the kids in particular. I think the moderators on here shouldn’t allow specific numbers to be talked about. At least not in a negative way.

Let’s get this board back on track and talk about something we can all agree on. Reclassed and holdbacks only dominate because they were reclassed or held back. They would be playing on age or playing up if they were actually dominant for their age. Everyone knows this obviously.

So I’m asking the people on here, specifically a parent of a kid who was recently reclassed, for some clarity. Without being bitter or angry or talking about how my son sits on the sidelines or should hit the wall, I need a favor. Can you please explain the process? I assume that they were playing with 27s for several years. Then at some point you realized he isn’t standing out and being recognized as particularly good or dominant. So how did you tell your child? How did that conversation go? I imagine it went something like this.

“You’re not standing out on the field. I think that if we make you repeat a year of school, the competition won’t be as good. It will
make you look better than you are. How would you feel about repeating a grade so you can dominate more on the lacrosse field?”

Am I correct? What was their reaction? Were they sad at the idea or happy at the opportunity? Curious minds want to know.

It is normal, encouraged by those who feel they need to do so to win, but it is 100% against the rules. The team should be disqualified if it can be proven.

This is a little more nuanced sometimes. In the past, some teams double roster players at the bottom of the A team on both the A and B team rosters. The stated theory is that it allows the player to get playing time while also getting exposure to higher level play if there is a blow out in the A game. In practice some clubs use this string players along that are on the A/B line. In HoCo itself, it is not allowed because you can only roster a kid once. But it tournaments it is often not illegal.

Happens a TON in fall and Summer tourneys. Madlax is a huge proponent of that strategy. They run their own tourneys so they also conrtrol their own rostering rules. But in the fall I have literally watched kids from Madlax Cap walk across fields and then play for Madlax DMV in the same tourney.

It's not allowed in HoCo. So many teams for the HoCo league have HUGE submitted rosters. Teams roster kids that MIGHT guest with them, even from from out of region. It's just in case they need a ringer. And that means- not attend regular practices with the teams, but play with them on Sat. True, Crabs and others do it somewhat regularly in the top division. Not illegal, because teams can run their team and roster whomever they want. But certainly lame.

What game are you referring to? I heard one team was roster checked.

Abs not. They should be roster checked.

The standard assumption - but not valid in all cases. Some organizations force the move down of reclass kids. Plenty of instances of holdbacks who were dominant in original grad group. If you want your kid to get better, play them up not down or keep them at their original grad year - but good luck in having that allowed.

It didn’t happen.

Looks like Preds parents are accusing Next Level of cheating.

Genuinely curious about it…does she wear white overalls or something?

Preds absolutely roster checked NL on Sunday. But NL doesn’t play those games. Every kid on the NL red roster has played on the red team all year and only the red team. DM does not send blue players to play for red. The red team as a whole played really well all weekend and surprised some people.

That's a first

I think all teams and games should have roster checks.
For the integrity of the league.
Just like coaches have badges at the beginning of games.
Roster to include DoB/height/weight/picture and line 'em all up numerically.

It was ProStart

Let's be real. This exchange isn't getting anyone into the High Class hall of fame, but I would rather be the guy slinging mud on BOTC than the guy who pled guilty to a serious felony any day of the week. Anybody who says otherwise is not being very honest.
by the way, who are we talking about?

do you have any idea how bitter and ridiculous you sound? please find a hobby or some constructive outlet.

Well then ProStart was sour about losing because NL Red team won fair and square. No kids from Blue played. That is a fact.