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Why would you say "overlooked" or "under valued"? Over the years few if any of Stony Brooks's top players were "overlooked", their best players were all well known coming out of HS. As for being under valued, how do you know players were under valued by other Top 10 teams? Sounds like another another attempt to push the SBU propaganda.

ok, i guess i'm wrong then.

So SB is an easy team to get recruited by? Girls just settled to play for a top 5 team?

I’m sure 2-18 may be going somewhere else. That’s not the point. The point is he has access to these kids for years. On a recruiting standpoint that is an unfair advantage other top schools don’t have.

if 2 thru 18 are not going to end up there, please explain how thats an unfair advantage? if 2 thru 18 ended up there, you may have a point

is there anything stopping other college coaches from coaching club teams?

It doesn’t matter how they play are of the are a top recruit. He has access to all the players. For years. That’s not fair. And to say that he won’t risk it is ridiculous. Look how many colleges in sports get caught stepping outside the lines.
If he signs one kid, say #22. He had an unfair advantage over another team that didn’t have access to that kid.
I’m f he signs no one. He still had an unfair advantage against other teams regarding recruiting

And as mentioned this has nothing to do with Spallina or YJ. It’s any team that has a college coach at the club level.
Molfetta committed a 2024 this year. You think she didn’t have a better opportunity to recruit that kid than say Dominican college. Or Florida Southern. Of course she did. That was the whole point of the original post. It’s an unfair advantage. Has nothing to do with the caliber of player whether she’s a star or not.

I'm sure the coaches at UNC, BC, MD, NW, etc..... are worried about his unfair Advantage

LMAO. RIF

if 2 thru 18 are not going to end up there, please explain how thats an unfair advantage? if 2 thru 18 ended up there, you may have a point[/quote]

If your daughter was in a hundred yard race, and the person she ran against had a 50 yard head start, did that person have an unfair advantage regardless of whoever won?

Girls who don’t get offers just decide to settle at a school with a preseason ranking of 4th?!? Make sense.

Pardon my ignorance… What does RIF mean?

Top 4 team now

Yes! Read the NCAA rules. Pretty easy to find. SS runs and coach TG too. Doesn’t help her much.
I guess UNC coach had an unfair advantage with her daughters team ?

If your daughter was in a hundred yard race, and the person she ran against had a 50 yard head start, did that person have an unfair advantage regardless of whoever won?[/quote]


why would any girl choose SB academically over any other school in the top 10? Anyone can get into SB. you don't need lacrosse.

For the thousandth

why would any girl choose SB academically over any other school in the top 10? Anyone can get into SB. you don't need lacrosse.[/quote]

Ugh. This is exhausting. Maybe some here can comprehend reading a little better in caps. FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME. IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT SPALLINA. No college coach on any level should be coaching a club team. It goes against the structure the NCAA put in place.

Says the dad who’s kid isn’t going D1 LOL 😂

why would any girl choose SB academically over any other school in the top 10? Anyone can get into SB. you don't need lacrosse.[/quote]

Why knock Stony Brook? Stony Brook is a good school with a very good lacrosse program and can be more affordable than many other options.

My daughter did just fine. Thanks. But if she didn’t and went D2 or D3 nothing wrong with that.

why would any girl choose SB academically over any other school in the top 10? Anyone can get into SB. you don't need lacrosse.[/quote]

Have to laugh every time I hear people talk about a player having the ability to “choose” when it comes to “Top 10” or “Top 20” lacrosse or academics. Relatively very few student athletes will ever have that choice. The large majority of girls do not receive offers from Top 10 or Top 20 lacrosse programs and an even greater number do not have the academic credentials required by Top 10 academic schools.

A lot of banter about all of this when it affects very few players/parents.

Have to laugh every time I hear people talk about a player having the ability to “choose” when it comes to “Top 10” or “Top 20” lacrosse or academics. Relatively very few student athletes will ever have that choice. The large majority of girls do not receive offers from Top 10 or Top 20 lacrosse programs and an even greater number do not have the academic credentials required by Top 10 academic schools.

A lot of banter about all of this when it affects very few players/parents.[/quote]

Agreed. As for Stony Brook, it’s ranked by US News as #77 in national universities. They don’t just let anyone in. Maybe they did 20+ years ago when you were applying. To put things into perspective, Binghamton is ranked #83 and I know of kids with 1450-1500 SATs getting deferred in the early action pool. There are plenty of really smart kids in New York State who don’t have the luxury of paying $75K+ a year for tuition at a private institution. And playing on an awesome lacrosse team is an incredible opportunity too. My favorite lacrosse player to watch rip around the field is on that team (and no, my kids don’t go there).

Agreed. As for Stony Brook, it’s ranked by US News as #77 in national universities. They don’t just let anyone in. Maybe they did 20+ years ago when you were applying. To put things into perspective, Binghamton is ranked #83 and I know of kids with 1450-1500 SATs getting deferred in the early action pool. There are plenty of really smart kids in New York State who don’t have the luxury of paying $75K+ a year for tuition at a private institution. And playing on an awesome lacrosse team is an incredible opportunity too. My favorite lacrosse player to watch rip around the field is on that team (and no, my kids don’t go there).[/quote]

Agreed. As for Stony Brook, it’s ranked by US News as #77 in national universities. They don’t just let anyone in. Maybe they did 20+ years ago when you were applying. To put things into perspective, Binghamton is ranked #83 and I know of kids with 1450-1500 SATs getting deferred in the early action pool. There are plenty of really smart kids in New York State who don’t have the luxury of paying $75K+ a year for tuition at a private institution. And playing on an awesome lacrosse team is an incredible opportunity too. My favorite lacrosse player to watch rip around the field is on that team (and no, my kids don’t go there).[/quote


Well said. SB gets a lot of haters from people on Long Island. Cmon let's be real. Who wouldn't want their daughter to go their if you were from LI. Close to home. Cost effective. Great Education and absolutely total top notch lacrosse. Preseason #4 is no joke and not by luck. Every girl that gets an offer from them is legit regardless if she is from LI or elsewhere

Agreed. As for Stony Brook, it’s ranked by US News as #77 in national universities. They don’t just let anyone in. Maybe they did 20+ years ago when you were applying. To put things into perspective, Binghamton is ranked #83 and I know of kids with 1450-1500 SATs getting deferred in the early action pool. There are plenty of really smart kids in New York State who don’t have the luxury of paying $75K+ a year for tuition at a private institution. And playing on an awesome lacrosse team is an incredible opportunity too. My favorite lacrosse player to watch rip around the field is on that team (and no, my kids don’t go there).[/quote


Well said. SB gets a lot of haters from people on Long Island. Cmon let's be real. Who wouldn't want their daughter to go their if you were from LI. Close to home. Cost effective. Great Education and absolutely total top notch lacrosse. Preseason #4 is no joke and not by luck. Every girl that gets an offer from them is legit regardless if she is from LI or elsewhere[/quote]

Main problem with SB is that too many students are from outside the country and are very cliquey and there is no social life (college town, frats, etc) SB good if going into the medical field, but not so much for business. Those were the main reasons my daughter did not have the school on her list. Good coach and program if you are a starter, but many more attractive options if you are a top tier player.

Main problem with SB is that too many students are from outside the country and are very cliquey and there is no social life (college town, frats, etc) SB good if going into the medical field, but not so much for business. Those were the main reasons my daughter did not have the school on her list. Good coach and program if you are a starter, but many more attractive options if you are a top tier player.[/quote]


But how many top tier players are there every year? Unless our definition or top tier is different, I’m talking 10 girls. Then The difference between 11-150is very minimal.
That’s where I think people get confused. My daughter committed to a top 30 team. Got a little bit of money but in my opinion she is no way near what I consider top tier. Was she a top player on her club, yes. Is she anywhere near the caliber of top players in UNC or BC. No.

Main problem with SB is that too many students are from outside the country and are very cliquey and there is no social life (college town, frats, etc) SB good if going into the medical field, but not so much for business. Those were the main reasons my daughter did not have the school on her list. Good coach and program if you are a starter, but many more attractive options if you are a top tier player.[/quote]

Main problem with SB is that too many students are from outside the country and are very cliquey and there is no social life (college town, frats, etc) SB good if going into the medical field, but not so much for business. Those were the main reasons my daughter did not have the school on her list. Good coach and program if you are a starter, but many more attractive options if you are a top tier player.[/quote]

Main problem with SB is that too many students are from outside the country and are very cliquey and there is no social life (college town, frats, etc) SB good if going into the medical field, but not so much for business. Those were the main reasons my daughter did not have the school on her list. Good coach and program if you are a starter, but many more attractive options if you are a top tier player.[/quote]

So where did your daughter end up going ?

Agreed. As for Stony Brook, it’s ranked by US News as #77 in national universities. They don’t just let anyone in. Maybe they did 20+ years ago when you were applying. To put things into perspective, Binghamton is ranked #83 and I know of kids with 1450-1500 SATs getting deferred in the early action pool. There are plenty of really smart kids in New York State who don’t have the luxury of paying $75K+ a year for tuition at a private institution. And playing on an awesome lacrosse team is an incredible opportunity too. My favorite lacrosse player to watch rip around the field is on that team (and no, my kids don’t go there).[/quote


Well said. SB gets a lot of haters from people on Long Island. Cmon let's be real. Who wouldn't want their daughter to go their if you were from LI. Close to home. Cost effective. Great Education and absolutely total top notch lacrosse. Preseason #4 is no joke and not by luck. Every girl that gets an offer from them is legit regardless if she is from LI or elsewhere[/quote]

Main problem with SB is that too many students are from outside the country and are very cliquey and there is no social life (college town, frats, etc) SB good if going into the medical field, but not so much for business. Those were the main reasons my daughter did not have the school on her list. Good coach and program if you are a starter, but many more attractive options if you are a top tier player.[/quote]

You are correct about many students from outside the country. Wrong about the social life. All the athletes are cliquey with each other. They all hangout together and seem to have a great time. obviously is not a huge party school but I don’t think that’s a very big concern for girls that are going to play lacrosse at that level. I think the main problem is adults coming on here to try to put down schools that their child is obviously not attending. What does it matter to you where other children might go to college? How do you know what another child sees as attractive options? All
That should matter to you is your child being happy with their choice. You should Be happy and proud of your daughter and what she has accomplished without having to put down other children. It’s very sad that so many adults are so quick to try to knock down young girls. I have been hearing it for years, parents talking about other children choices on college and I never understood why. Why would you care about what another child is doing? Let’s try to make ourselves feel better by knocking a child. Just sad. Personally I hope all the girls get to go to their dream school! Why because I’m not in competition with anyone over my children. I’m also trying to teach my children that life is not about keeping up with the Jones’s it’s about finding and doing what makes them happy and fulfilled. If your worried about what other ppl are doing you will never be happy you will be bitter like so many of the ppl on this site.

Main problem with SB is that too many students are from outside the country and are very cliquey and there is no social life (college town, frats, etc) SB good if going into the medical field, but not so much for business. Those were the main reasons my daughter did not have the school on her list. Good coach and program if you are a starter, but many more attractive options if you are a top tier player.[/quote]

You are correct about many students from outside the country. Wrong about the social life. All the athletes are cliquey with each other. They all hangout together and seem to have a great time. obviously is not a huge party school but I don’t think that’s a very big concern for girls that are going to play lacrosse at that level. I think the main problem is adults coming on here to try to put down schools that their child is obviously not attending. What does it matter to you where other children might go to college? How do you know what another child sees as attractive options? All
That should matter to you is your child being happy with their choice. You should Be happy and proud of your daughter and what she has accomplished without having to put down other children. It’s very sad that so many adults are so quick to try to knock down young girls. I have been hearing it for years, parents talking about other children choices on college and I never understood why. Why would you care about what another child is doing? Let’s try to make ourselves feel better by knocking a child. Just sad. Personally I hope all the girls get to go to their dream school! Why because I’m not in competition with anyone over my children. I’m also trying to teach my children that life is not about keeping up with the Jones’s it’s about finding and doing what makes them happy and fulfilled. If your worried about what other ppl are doing you will never be happy you will be bitter like so many of the ppl on this site.[/quote]


You seem very defensive. I stated why SB was not an attractive option for my daughter. It’s the same thing I hear from many other parents and girls. My daughter chose a top 20 lacrosse and academic program. I bet no girl on the top half of the top clubs chooses SB. This traditionally it’s what we see. JS does a great job identifying and bringing in underrated players. I bet the majority of girls at SB would not be there if they had decent offers from UNC, BC, Cuse, etc. Money can certainly be a factor since SB tuition would be similar to a 50% scholarship at other schools. Many factors to consider. That said, the SB recruits seem to really benefit from excellent coaching.

Nobody bashes Stony Brook and the players more than the Stony Brook fans/parents themselves.

We have all heard it for the past 10 years or so...

You are correct about many students from outside the country. Wrong about the social life. All the athletes are cliquey with each other. They all hangout together and seem to have a great time. obviously is not a huge party school but I don’t think that’s a very big concern for girls that are going to play lacrosse at that level. I think the main problem is adults coming on here to try to put down schools that their child is obviously not attending. What does it matter to you where other children might go to college? How do you know what another child sees as attractive options? All
That should matter to you is your child being happy with their choice. You should Be happy and proud of your daughter and what she has accomplished without having to put down other children. It’s very sad that so many adults are so quick to try to knock down young girls. I have been hearing it for years, parents talking about other children choices on college and I never understood why. Why would you care about what another child is doing? Let’s try to make ourselves feel better by knocking a child. Just sad. Personally I hope all the girls get to go to their dream school! Why because I’m not in competition with anyone over my children. I’m also trying to teach my children that life is not about keeping up with the Jones’s it’s about finding and doing what makes them happy and fulfilled. If your worried about what other ppl are doing you will never be happy you will be bitter like so many of the ppl on this site.[/quote]


You seem very defensive. I stated why SB was not an attractive option for my daughter. It’s the same thing I hear from many other parents and girls. My daughter chose a top 20 lacrosse and academic program. I bet no girl on the top half of the top clubs chooses SB. This traditionally it’s what we see. JS does a great job identifying and bringing in underrated players. I bet the majority of girls at SB would not be there if they had decent offers from UNC, BC, Cuse, etc. Money can certainly be a factor since SB tuition would be similar to a 50% scholarship at other schools. Many factors to consider. That said, the SB recruits seem to really benefit from excellent coaching.[/quote]

Like what was said bitter!

You seem very defensive. I stated why SB was not an attractive option for my daughter. It’s the same thing I hear from many other parents and girls. My daughter chose a top 20 lacrosse and academic program. I bet no girl on the top half of the top clubs chooses SB. This traditionally it’s what we see. JS does a great job identifying and bringing in underrated players. I bet the majority of girls at SB would not be there if they had decent offers from UNC, BC, Cuse, etc. Money can certainly be a factor since SB tuition would be similar to a 50% scholarship at other schools. Many factors to consider. That said, the SB recruits seem to really benefit from excellent coaching.[/quote]

Like what was said bitter![/quote]

What was said that is "Bitter"?

Stony Brook is a decent school with a very good women's lacrosse program.

Agreed. As for Stony Brook, it’s ranked by US News as #77 in national universities. They don’t just let anyone in. Maybe they did 20+ years ago when you were applying. To put things into perspective, Binghamton is ranked #83 and I know of kids with 1450-1500 SATs getting deferred in the early action pool. There are plenty of really smart kids in New York State who don’t have the luxury of paying $75K+ a year for tuition at a private institution. And playing on an awesome lacrosse team is an incredible opportunity too. My favorite lacrosse player to watch rip around the field is on that team (and no, my kids don’t go there).[/quote


Well said. SB gets a lot of haters from people on Long Island. Cmon let's be real. Who wouldn't want their daughter to go their if you were from LI. Close to home. Cost effective. Great Education and absolutely total top notch lacrosse. Preseason #4 is no joke and not by luck. Every girl that gets an offer from them is legit regardless if she is from LI or elsewhere[/quote]

Main problem with SB is that too many students are from outside the country and are very cliquey and there is no social life (college town, frats, etc) SB good if going into the medical field, but not so much for business. Those were the main reasons my daughter did not have the school on her list. Good coach and program if you are a starter, but many more attractive options if you are a top tier player.[/quote]


But how many top tier players are there every year? Unless our definition or top tier is different, I’m talking 10 girls. Then The difference between 11-150is very minimal.
That’s where I think people get confused. My daughter committed to a top 30 team. Got a little bit of money but in my opinion she is no way near what I consider top tier. Was she a top player on her club, yes. Is she anywhere near the caliber of top players in UNC or BC. No.[/quote]

I would define "Top Tier" as the players who receive multiple offers from Top 10 Caliber programs (by Top 10 I am referring to the programs that finish the season ranked in the Top 10 most years). I do not know how many players that is but it is a lot more than 10 players. If Maryland, Northwestern, Boston College, North Carolina etc... are all offering but the player chooses to go to Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Richmond, Villanova, Colorado, Cal, Arizona State etc... I would say they are a Top Tier player. If the player ends up at one of those schools or any school and did not receive any offers from the top programs the player is most likely not a Top Tier player. Not a knock, just reality, the best programs do an excellent job at identifying and recruiting top talent.

Agreed. As for Stony Brook, it’s ranked by US News as #77 in national universities. They don’t just let anyone in. Maybe they did 20+ years ago when you were applying. To put things into perspective, Binghamton is ranked #83 and I know of kids with 1450-1500 SATs getting deferred in the early action pool. There are plenty of really smart kids in New York State who don’t have the luxury of paying $75K+ a year for tuition at a private institution. And playing on an awesome lacrosse team is an incredible opportunity too. My favorite lacrosse player to watch rip around the field is on that team (and no, my kids don’t go there).[/quote


Well said. SB gets a lot of haters from people on Long Island. Cmon let's be real. Who wouldn't want their daughter to go their if you were from LI. Close to home. Cost effective. Great Education and absolutely total top notch lacrosse. Preseason #4 is no joke and not by luck. Every girl that gets an offer from them is legit regardless if she is from LI or elsewhere[/quote]

Not sure if SBU has a lot of haters on The Island but for most of the people that I know they would rather have their children attend a different school. They are not haters of Stony Brook, they just want their daughter to be happy and find the best overall fit hopefully at the best academic school possible.

Not sure if SBU has a lot of haters on The Island but for most of the people that I know they would rather have their children attend a different school. They are not haters of Stony Brook, they just want their daughter to be happy and find the best overall fit hopefully at the best academic school possible.[/quote]

Even parents that have daughters that go to SB want their daughters happy as well. Very ignorant statement

Even parents that have daughters that go to SB want their daughters happy as well. Very ignorant statement[/quote]

Yes very ignorant statement! Sounds like your the dad who’s kid has to make you happy not them

Yes very ignorant statement! Sounds like your the dad who’s kid has to make you happy not them[/quote]

Wow, Stony Brook people are a bit sensitive. Maybe they should have added at the end of the the last sentence ...

"They are not haters of Stony Brook, they just want their daughter to be happy and find the best overall fit hopefully at the best academic school possible." ... Add - (if that happens to be Stony Brook that's great.)

Nobody said the parents of Stony Brook student athletes do not want their children to be happy.

Committed Events this summer: IL Committed Academy, HHH Committed Games (invite only?) and Lake Placid (invite only but can register as a free agent)

Are there any other events for committed 2024s? Anyone have older daughters that have done any of these events? Feedback good bad or ugly? Anyone know which colleges are invited to the HHH games? Lake Placid games? Curious how they pick the colleges for these events.

Also, the Lake Placid event...the team names are nicknames for the colleges (i.e. Fight On for USC). There was a team last year called GBR - is that Cornell?

All great events for the ‘24s. Unfortunately the ‘23s are not allowed to play with their future teammates anymore. New rule. So dense!

HHH committed games best value. College coaches actually coach the teams.
IL committed games no colleges there. They get to play with future teammates.
Lake Placid. Fun event. Bad fields. Very expensive.

HHH and LP are fantastic. Head coaches are at HHH. Do both if your recruiting class is invited.
IL committed is more of a money grab. Wasnt great but not bad.
UA still top event to tryout for

Not 100% accurate. The 23s can play at these events however no more than 5 players can be on a team. Example only 5 23 Hopkins girls can be on the team with the 24s. Bad rule.