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remember all these type of posts last year just before the MIAA champs won it haha

Yes - we all are very well aware at this point. Guess those families have a choice to make. The rambling drunk at the other end of the bar probably wants to hear about it more though.

Yeah which were his 25+ players which is all he cared about. His 26 team was horrible last year. 27 eeked out 2 wins. That doesn't bode
well for high school wins.

But that's at cross purposes with the 91 business model...recruit upwards every year and then by 12th grade, it's a sales pitch (to parents of younger players) that "we developed these players! Uhh yeah the ones who live in NY and CT too! They were totally attending Tuesday practices with us in 5th grade!"

As one of the many complaining dads said it above, you have to enjoy pain to roster your son at clubs like True and 91 before 9th grade. Sure you can. But why.

To be clear you're talking about the 91 director's 18.5 year old junior son and his 15 year old freshman son. Not a 91 roster.

Nobody asked "Hey can Mark Millon use his club teams to prop up, feature and train his two sons, all while generating personal profits?" Because yes obviously that effort has been a success.

No other 91MD players have been, or will ever be featured and supported the way the Millon boys have. And hats off to the young men....they embraced the privilege AND the challenge. But for parents outside the 2023 and 2025 rosters.... "your mileage may vary" is a gross understatement.

You are letting your jealousy cause you to spew blatant untruths.

Classy.

If 91MD is onrle thing, it's classy.

[quote=Anonymous]Lets recap the year for 91

2027 2 wins - 5 losses
2028 1 win - 6 losses
2029 0 wins - 7 losses
2030 0 wins - 7 losses
2031 0 wins - 7 losses

That, my friends, is alot of wasted money!!!![/quote

LTRC Rec program team beat the 2030 team

There are three club teams in Baltimore and they each operate the same. If you want to play in the MIAA and hope to have a chance to play in college you need to play for one of them. What’s happening now only gets worse. It’s all about being seen!!

What teams are they?

This is fundamentally false, and conflates all kinds of aspirational Daddy assumptions. MIAA-A Varsity and JV hold accommodate 600+ players. Let's ignore that "playing in the MIAA" could be expanded in definition. And let's look at the "3 Baltimore Club Pipeline" filling those 600 slots.

HS age roster for those 3 club teams is 3 teams x 30 kids x 4 years = 360 players "available for MIAA" in these 3 clubs, on their "real" elite teams (aka no FCA White, Crabs Hardshells, 91 Practice Team, etc).

360 - 40 kids who can't get in academically (or Spalding / John Carroll is too far) and also are 3rd line, non-recruited players = 320 elite club kids for 600 MIAA-A roster spots

320 - 20 kids whose parents have been led to believe through elementary and middle school that their elite club play will get them a "scholarship" and have no intention of paying MIAA-A tuition = 300 elite club kids for 600 MIAA-A roster spots.

30 kids who, despite the Elite Shiny Helmet, get their lunch stolen on day 1 of MIAA tryouts by random kids from Sidewinders and Team MD = 270 elite club kids for 600 MIAA-A roster spots.

80 kids who are OOS fly-ins for the 3 elite teams with no interest in MIAA = 190 elite club players for 600 MIAA-A roster spots.

40+ MD/DC/PA players will attend a public school or non-MIAA-A private school = 150 "elite club laxers." for 600+ roster spots.

Then divide that by 4 years, and explain to me how the only way for my 2027 son to grab one of these 600+ roster spots is to be one of those 150 kids.

The math ain't mathing.

My advice to parents is, ignore this [Censored], and do what middle school kids at Gilman and Loyola do - borrow a friend's elite helmets for school tryouts. You could walk the roadsides of Towson for 20 minutes and find a Crabs, FCA, or 91 helmet around, in a dumpster or [Censored] can or at the Goodwill on Joppa Road. Because the kids have such great memories of playing for those clubs. Buff it up real shiny and then all they have to do is play better and more coachable than the supposed "elite club kids" at MIAA tryouts for 3 total days. It's a model that works. And I'm not even joking.

You be quiet! They Develop Elite Players for Elite High Schools!

The 27 team is being mismanaged, seriously.

So much bitterness and jealousy in this post.

Also misinformation and general weirdness.

I hope your son makes his team of choice in HS.

There are three club teams in Baltimore and they each operate the same. If you want to play in the MIAA and hope to have a chance to play in college you need to play for one of them. What’s happening now only gets worse. It’s all about being seen!!

What teams are they?


1. True
2. Breakers
3. 91

You're ignoring the Annapolis clubs who are the primary feeds for 3 of the 11 MIAA schools. The 3 big baltimore clubs are the primary feed for 8 MIAA schools. Can't speak to other teams but every kid at my son's baltimore club is MIAA. Rough math would say about 250 of the 480 baltimore MIAA spots are from those 3 clubs. If you look at starters on Varsity or JV I would guess 80%+ are from those 3. Still room for kids from other clubs but the numbers aren't in your favor.

How so?

I agree with that to some extent, but how do you know the kids aren't developing their skills or enjoying playing against other great programs?
Oh right, it's just the wins and losses.
That IS what determines it all. At least according to parents who team shop every year and never played the game.
All those kids on losing teams clearly didn't enjoy the games, the team, the competition, strive to get better, or learn anything valuable about lacrosse ... or life.

It's actual not wins and losses, which in 4th grade lacrosse don't matter at all. It is about basically all the other things, from learning from a coach, building relationships with teammates, and over coming obstacles. You ask how I know the kids aren't developing their skills, check out their scores, closest was game 2 of the season, also the highest score of the season. Lost games by an average of 18 goals. My contention is the boys would have developed more, enjoyed it more, and learned all the non-lacrosse valuable lessons more with more competitive games.

Playing on bad teams is part of life, but the choice of the club director is equivalent of Holy Cross and St Johns filling their out of conference schedules with only ACC and BIG10 teams.

But who really cares? There are a number of teams that are run and operate differently. It’s simple enough. If kids/parents don’t like the product or results, they will and can leave.

So much bitterness and jealousy in this post.

Also misinformation and general weirdness.

I hope your son makes his team of choice in HS.[/quot

You: Only 3 clubs send kids to MIAA!

Me: Kids from lots of clubs play in MIAA!

You: So much bitterness!

Pour yourself another one. The first four haven't taken hold.

The parents that just had to drive to HOCO on a friday night in rush hour traffic to play against a team that doesn't belong in the league. Thankfully we don't have to deal with a club owner who forces teams into a spot where they are completely outclassed. But glad you enjoyed your season with Team 91, can't wait to play you all this summer!

Are you 14?

He's not the only one but it's the outstanding example. I don't think Hoco can stand there and say their rankings justified being in the highest level across the board. The 29s played in a lower division when they started and it was productive vs this heck.

It's kind of a funny situation that Hoco county runs this league that has turned into a mostly for-profit club participation. Is Howard County served by helping a True lacrosse team from VA in it? Their own Hoco team barely participates and mostly loses. Perhaps it's fairer that a gov't org runs it but when stuff like this happens you have to question the legitimacy of their decisions and why it exists.

Look at the top teams in the MIAA and see the clubs they play for and see how long they’ve been affiliated with their clubs. Most have been there a number of years if not their entire youth career. Best advice get on one of the top three clubs ( 91,Crabs, FCA) and work your [Censored] off to stay on the team. Bench warmers in these club teams end up starters on the MIAA roster. BTW you’ll also notice no public school kids are on any of these teams by seventh or eighth grade!!

Some of this is false. One you didn’t mention hawks. Two plenty of kids move around teams. There are public school kids on those teams. The problem is parents don’t always like the coaching of playing time for their son. I would say playing time is biggest reasons parents change teams. Also just cause your son in in private school has nothing to do with lax skill. 7th grade private school lax is a complete joke and honestly hard to watch. Nothing like the elite division in hoco. The detest for 91 confuses me there are plenty of talented kids on that team that could play and probably start for other elite teams but they choose to stay there. People need to worry about your own kids and not others . No my son does not play for 91 .

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I bet the Hawks parents felt the same way today after they steamrolled your squad. What a waste of time for them to bother to show up since it was such a blowout. Karma is a b**** ain’t it? Glad you had fun beating up on us but what good is it if you can’t hang with the big boys in the division? Don’t even get me started on what MadLax did to y’all.

I think you are using the 91 2023-2025 rosters as your benchmark and that's bad data for your purpose. Those 90 kids were intentionally assembled, carefully retained, and expertly recruited by the club director for a very specific reason - which is his prerogative. It would be a lie to say that he has not done a great job with those groups of kids. His extreme efforts have been extremely successful, but they have not, and will not, continue down into the younger classes. The "emotional investment" reality of dad coaches, after all.

There are plenty of public school kids on these clubs through 8th grade at least. Some will persist into HS because they didn't get a free ride to MIAA, or because they live 4 hours away in VA, PA, NC (91, Crabs, Hawks). Mostly public school kids. Kids from Delaware too, although they are private school kids.

The bulk (yes, benchwarmers) of the Towson MIAA squads just 2 years ago were Looneys, Koopers, Breakers, HoCo Pink, Zingos, and HLC. Now Koopers and Looneys are gone, and Breakers I guess will be put out of its misery soon, but all those "above average / not elite" lax kids aren't disappearing from MIAA rosters. With 50-60 kids on varsity at both CHC and Loyola, how could they disappear, mathematically? There's not enough elite kids. Maybe that's why they're called elite. Hopefully the bulk of the kids don't end up at True, because nobody wants to suffer through that.

You can continue to gatekeep elite club lax all you want, but the fact is that the sport is growing (with very low skill level) nationwide and (using Hoco brackets here) about 90% of MD-DC elite kids, 75% of our AAA kids, and 50% of the AA kids will have a chance to at least make rosters at MIAA schools AND "play at college" whatever that means. And (I'm an MIAA dad) some of those kids will attend public schools. Sorry that the Poors have been let into your elite sport and your identity, I guess.

The Sport is not growing, what has been growing is that club has slowly taken over recreational lacrosse like club soccer has taken over recreation soccer. MD has 3 elite clubs that supply the majority of top MIAA players that actually get significancy playing time. The rest of clubs supply the lesser ranked teams and players that get less playing time. It is a fact.

Everyone knows what it is about with those two teams. It isnt that hard to figure out. The rest of teams at least get to have players get to be recognized and actually get the ball. MM doesnt care what others think in that regards . Frankly it has worked.

Yes...when you use those important caveats like "majority of the top players", it is a fact. I'd agree with that!!!

So. Many. Words.

And so much time you put into this post. 🤡

Adult life is no different than 6th grade, when you lose an argument, you make fun of the winner for Trying Hard. I'll be honest, I love to see it.

And for what it's worth, my post took about 15 seconds to figure out and less than 3 minutes to type up. Probably another 10 second delay, getting the verification code wrong the first time. That you think this level of writing is a major academic undertaking says a lot about you, and gosh, I love to see that too.

You two nerds should get a room and leave everybody else out of it.

If your son is not on Crabs, 91 or FCA by now his career is coming to an end unless he’s going to public school or playing for Gilman. Lacrosse is a bottle neck the higher the level. Playing on a non elite club at a lower level in middle school will end your sons career.

This is just not true. Not one sentence.

Eehhh. Meh. Sort of yes. But not really.

Truth.

Might as well just quit. These kids need to stop embarrassing us as parents.

There is no purpose of playing team sports if you aren’t on the top 3 teams in the elite division and don’t makeMIAA A- varsity as a 7th grader and commit to Notre Dame by fall of your sophomore year.

Absolutely pathetic and disgusting if those things don’t happen.

Or instead of playing for an elite program that your kid has no business at, try a program that is more suited to his skills and development needs.

I especially like the part where the poster says that 30 Sidewinders and Team MD kids are at an "A" conference school tryout. But they are right that their "math ain't mathing." LOLz