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His record vs Top 10 Teams is very average. Relatively weak schedule helps to inflate team record as well as individual statistics. Good coach, good program, good players for sure but just don’t understand why people who are supposedly Stony Brook fans/supporters always want to knock the players and give all the credit to the coach. The facts and actual results over the years tell a different story than what has been told on this site for years. Stony Brook has been bringing in some great players for many years now, it’s time to give them some credit and stop with the fictitious tales that have been told that contradict reality.

My issue with Spallina or any college coach coaching at the club level, how is this allowed. Coaches aren’t supposed to have certain access to kids that are being recruited until Sept 1. He has access for years.

The answer is really both.

Playing well in tourney gets you on college's radar and put in top group in prospect days. Doing well on prospect days/ clinics can help secure an offer. For some positions, like goalie, Draw specialist and defense, prospect days are much more important than some of the more offensive psotions.


Also depends on level of play. For top 20 schools, very few will offer if you have never played on their campus.

They preached a lot to keep us after the merger. BS called us personally to tell us he was going to personally handle our recruiting and make us the face of the team. When talking about how annoyed I am with this current recruiting situation wrh other parents (kids getting no help unless your the coaches kid or the coaches kids friend) I’m now finding out this was said to four other kids with the exact same wording. Do not play for this club should be written in the back of my shirt along with a clown Bevause I’m a fool for believing what I was told.

These comments are completely inaccurate and do not tell the full story. These two coaches are working so hard for all of the girls on the team. Some are just taking longer to pan out than others. They both are constantly reaching out to parents and players asking what they can do to help. Sending emails, publicizing kids, etc. They even have reached out to the Varsity coaches of every kid to try to get them more involved and create a partnership.

At the end of the day, there's only so much the coaches can do. I wonder if parents are taking their kids to ID camps, showcase, etc. Are they sending emails to coaches on a regular basis or are they relying on the coaches to do all of it? The coaches jobs are to teach the players and put them in positions to succeed and as a parent on the team, I can say that these two have done that and more. I have only known these coaches for less than 2 years but I can say that they have done more for my kid (both on and off the field) than any coach she has ever had. They're not just "mommy and daddy" coaches. Both of them have spent their entire lifetime in the sport.

Again, the comments above do not tell the full story. 2 of the kids mentioned are lucky to have a varsity HC that is very involved in the recruiting process and has been doing it for a long time and has a lot of good connections. The other 2 are really good players that play their school ball on one of the best teams in the State. Not every kid is that lucky. Many varsity coaches are uninvolved and only talk to the kids when in-season. Maybe the four that committed are just four of the best players on the team.

I think you should talk to the coaches rather than air the dirty laundry here. I am sure they would be more than willing to help as much as possible as they have been non-stop since the merger.

What type of help do you want? Have college coaches watched your daughters team play? Have you (your daughter) made it your business to make sure that the coaches at the schools that your daughter is sincerely interested in are aware of her interest? College coaches watch players play and they go after (recruit) and make offers to the players that they believe can help their program. Club / HS coaches do not control which players the college coaches make offers to. Most programs bring in 7-9 players per year, they try to get the best players that they can, they do not hand out spots because a certain parent (coach or otherwise) wants them to.

What is your thinking? What is the goal? What level of college program are you hoping to receive an offer from? What level of program has expressed interest?

IMHO, few if any people outside the schools coaching staff have influence over which players receive offers.

If you watched this team play and had no idea who the kids are you really wouldn’t have any idea that the coaches have kids on the team. They have been nothing but absolutely professional, non-partial and supportive of every kid. Either you’re an outsider trying to cause a problem where it doesn’t exist or your own biases are in the way of you really enjoying what these two coaches have done.

What do you mean you can’t tell that the coaches kids are on the field? This summer she had her kid rotate every position before she was taken out. He is doing right by the team and benching his kid more now that she’s committed, but let’s be honest that was not the case this summer.

In terms of them doing the most of any coach we’ve had, also not true. I also didn’t mention what team it was, so how were you able to figure out that we play on the same team? They have not done nearly enough. They missed their plane to Dallas and we had to have two parents coach our first game. It’s beyond embarrassing. They can’t get us into good brackets, they are very bias in who they are helping, and the only attention our team is getting is low level d1 when we have a few kids who should’ve gone high d1 but won’t because this club hasn’t done enough for the girls side.

If the coaches are trying to reach out, then shame on our club for making that th e coaches job rather than stepping up and rebuilding the girls side as we were promise and shame on BS for promising different people the same thing and giving us all the same talk about being the top player on the team and how he’d make this team about certain kids recruitment. He did not back up his words with actions, nor did either female director. God forbid you complain to the office SD essentially says you can go elsewhere if you aren’t happy. So please save me the spiel about your drinking buddy and no shot you’ve only known them two years because the originals of this program who talk freely behind closed doors without fear of retaliation have no issue saying the same things around our family.

Get off your high horse and do something for kids who aren’t from your Highschool. And for the record, we know your kid barely touched the field at her “top Highschool”

Oh snap trouble in paradise. Jealous much?

If you are relying on coaches and directors at this point, you are foolish! Once September 1st hits you should be in contact with coaches, not relying on coaches or directors anymore.

What do you mean you can’t tell that the coaches kids are on the field? This summer she had her kid rotate every position before she was taken out. He is doing right by the team and benching his kid more now that she’s committed, but let’s be honest that was not the case this summer.

In terms of them doing the most of any coach we’ve had, also not true. I also didn’t mention what team it was, so how were you able to figure out that we play on the same team? They have not done nearly enough. They missed their plane to Dallas and we had to have two parents coach our first game. It’s beyond embarrassing. They can’t get us into good brackets, they are very bias in who they are helping, and the only attention our team is getting is low level d1 when we have a few kids who should’ve gone high d1 but won’t because this club hasn’t done enough for the girls side.

If the coaches are trying to reach out, then shame on our club for making that th e coaches job rather than stepping up and rebuilding the girls side as we were promise and shame on BS for promising different people the same thing and giving us all the same talk about being the top player on the team and how he’d make this team about certain kids recruitment. He did not back up his words with actions, nor did either female director. God forbid you complain to the office SD essentially says you can go elsewhere if you aren’t happy. So please save me the spiel about your drinking buddy and no shot you’ve only known them two years because the originals of this program who talk freely behind closed doors without fear of retaliation have no issue saying the same things around our family.

Get off your high horse and do something for kids who aren’t from your Highschool. And for the record, we know your kid barely touched the field at her “top Highschool”[/quote

You need to worry more about your own kid. She obviously wasn't one of the best on the team or she would have had atleast ONE offer by now. 8FAsdn

Why haven’t people left this team yet?

Some have. Lost a few during tryouts, another mid fall last year, and then another to YJ at the end of the summer. Not enough spots on other teams for these kids and it’s so late in the game to switch.

It’s not too late. You and your daughter need to take recruiting into your own hands. Research her top 10 schools and there’s a good chance a handful of them have clinics in December. Create a fall highlight film and have your daughter send out emails. Help empower her and make this a priority!

Not original poster but on this team and facing the same issue. We are doing everything in our power but it is very obvious which clubs have people on the inside who are helping push their kids. Their are multiple kids on our team better than committed kids who pushed schools heavily and didn’t get anything because the directors and coaches of the other kids, who we are friends with and speak to the parents of, had coaches texting the college coaches and making calls for them for the past year. They were able to get feedback after events on if a school was definitely not interested so they could use their time and money somewhere that may be a better fit. Sad that even with talent , those of equal talent who’ll get picked for the jersey they wear

Did it help the girls who left?

Come on. It’s not the coach that gets the kids recruited. If you can play, you will get recruited. Yes the club coaches push their favorites to certain showcases but that’s it.

Come on. It’s not the coach that gets the kids recruited. If you can play, you will get recruited. Yes the club coaches push their favorites to certain showcases but that’s it.

Can’t tell me if your kid can ball, coaches like Cathy Reese passes on her because she didn’t get the push from a certain parent coach. That’s nonsense.

Two of the kids that left are committed to stony Brook and Binghamton… so I’d saying leaving 91 helped them

Maryland is probably not a good example. They pass on a lot of good players, they are the best program in the country for a reason.... They bring in the best players and they do not take players because a club coach pushes the player.

College coaches offer spots to the players that they believe can help their program. Club directors, club coaches, high school coaches, college alumni, current players, coaches friends etc... have very little influence over who the college coach offers a spot to.

I agree. Stop blaming the program and start concentrating on getting your daughter in front of the appropriate level programs that she is interested in. I know it's tough to swallow but not many girls on that team are top D1 level athletes.

That isn’t true at all come on now you know Carol rose is getting kids into schools with her reputation alone. They’ll come to see TG YJ Jesters Legacy etc because they have coaches and directors who are connected to the sport heavily. Coaches listen to and respect those names and clubs.

Coming to watch a game is much different than making a kid an offer

You are delusional if you think a coach at a top 20 college team is taking a kid just in the word of a club coach. will they look at them, sure. But they aren’t taking that kid.
Example. Kid from YJ and a kid from say Belles. Director from YJ tells coach from top 20 her kid is a star. Coach comes watch the kid and she stinks it up. The. That player goes to the coach’s camp and stinks it up. While the belles player is an absolute student at her games and camp. And goes to a second camp and k cold it out of the park. Guess who that top 20 coach is taking ?
If your kid is good, she will find a place.

I'd argue that UNC and BC have surpassed Maryland. UNC has destroyed Maryland the last few years on the recruiting trail. UNC is now the #1 choice for many top players and MD is falling behind. Top players are passing on MD. Maryland's top 2024 committ was very close to comitting to UNC. She went with Maryland only after UNC loaded up with every other top player available in 2024.

Every thread on here has a new post about 91 being the worst option for kids. The younger grades complain about coaches character as well. This isn’t a trend for just rhe 24s and sadly these coaches are taking the heat for a bigger issue: 91 not being a top girls program. It hasn’t been for a very long time. It’s why they can’t keep directors or good coaches, because unless a parent is coaching to get their kid free tuition most coaches do not want to stay and deal with working for a boys club.

I’m sure these coaches have some blame to take, but at the end of the day there is a reason the same type of coimplants can be found at every grade level on here year after year. There’s a reason people tell 5th graders to run while they have a chance to build chemistry and relationships at a better club.

Your issue is you didn’t stand a chance the second you chose to play for that particular club. The organization as a whole is not focused on the girls side.

You have a few more months and then you’re done. My suggestion is you stop complaining here, put your head down before you burn bridges with anyone at that club that’s trying even a little bit, and just get it done. It’s too late to make any real changes, so just make the best of it.

The top Commit probably chose MD because she knows Cathy Reese is the best women’s lacrosse coach ever and wants to be coached by her! MD is still the best lacrosse program ever. who wouldn’t choose Cathy Reese and MD if lacrosse was a main factor in her college choice? It’s also an amazing school! Win, win

You would probably argue that the earth is flat as well... and you would sound just as foolish. One game, one season or even two or three seasons does not make a "Program". Both UNC and BC are excellent programs but neither are on par with Maryland, neither are close when it comes to what they have accomplished as a "Program". UNC and BC are up there in the "Top 4-5"programs, maybe the Top 2 or 3 but The Terps stand alone at number 1. No Dog in the fight and I actually root against Maryland (Men & Women) but have to acknowledge that The Terp Women's Program (in terms of performance) is by far the Number 1 Women's Lacrosse Program of all time and it's not close.

Absolutely! Facts are facts. Facts don’t lie. MD is all time best program and Reese all time best coach. They will be on top again very soon.

We left this team in middle school, and it was the best choice we ever made. When there was a mass exit before hs to legacy and Jackets we went and never looked back. Now our daughter is committed and has never been happier. The program keeps kids for the younger year then once parent finally realize the sham on the girls side they bail. I’m sure that merger kept the girls side from going under

Middle school ? Really ? Cmon give me a break. It's not solely on the program to get a girl committed.

Reese is probably the best recruiter in the game, but the last two years they lost to less talented teams in the semifinals.

They will also be in the top 5 as long as Reese continues to recruit, but to call them a clear number one based on recent results is an overreach.

I think if you gave Maryland's talent to Levy or Amonte, they would probably win 6 national titles in a row.

Levy barely beat NW last year and had the most talent. Curious how she does this year.

Almonte blew a 7 goal lead going into the 4th quarter against UNC poor coaching.

Reese best recruit was getting Cordingly from Hopkins or their year looks very different.

Spallina is by far the best coach.

If we hadn't left I guarantee we wouldn't be committed. Some of our old teammates still there that are just as good but didn't have the resources

Reese was the best recruiter because most of the best talent was in MD over the last 20 years. Maryland will always be a power, but there is more top talent from all parts of the country now. Levy has always recruited the entire country for her players and now pulls in the most talent. Just look at the last few classes. Same can be said for Amonte/Walker, both are great coaches. There are many more top tier players, all the teams are getting better. The best coaches recruit players that work best in their systems, but the best systems require great athletes with great skills.

What resources ? Please explain

It’s pretty simple, yes a club coach or director can make a phone call or send an email on your behalf, but all that will do is get a college coach to look at your profile, highlight video, or maybe even stop by one of your games. No college coach at any level is taking the sole word of any club coach, HS coach or director. The college coach knows talent, when that college coach watches you play in person, and analyzes your video, then they will decide if you are good enough. So if your daughter is not getting phone calls, emails or coaches watching her at games, it’s not the coaches or directors fault. You might have to redirect your focus of schools, or maybe be truthful with yourself and the abilities of your daughter. At this point in the game you should of sent out dozens of emails to your target list of schools, attended prospect days, and had contact with those coaches.

Of the 4 most recently successful programs- Academically, UNC, BC, Northwestern completely blow away Maryland. All on par or surpassed Md in lacrosse right now, so from a balance of lax and academics among this group, Md would be last on list. Northwestern the only one on list in top 10 both academically and lacrosse power. Probably also a reason Md can hang on so strong with lax is that hey can bring in an entire class of players who are just average students, whereas Northwestern (and other high academic schools) may be able to sneak an average academic player or two each year through the back door, but certainly not the entire class.

This is the most factual thing on BOTC in weeks! Absolutely correct and spot on analysis. If you're blaming your club coach because your daughter hasn't committed to your top choice, you obviously have no idea what's going on.