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Yes. Best players need to be on the field to win games. Not the case. Favorites were left out too long, and made crucial mistakes at the end of the game leading to an ugly loss. Like watching a slow motion car weak. A shame that this is yet another event ruined by politics.[/quote]

Not sure how you blame the coaches when the one MEMEMEME player held the ball instead of moving it {which she did all tourney} up 3 and got it checked and let PA back in it.
Not to be too harsh but that game was won, and selfish plays was the demise of LI, not coaching! The young coach who played at NW is loved and respected by the players…. Players NEED some accountability and parents are the blame…..Look in the mirror, stop Blaming coaches..
And hats off to Philly for not quitting and taking advantage of the island mistakes.

on the girls sides, barely and those that were there were D3. Many more on the boys side.

Have you ever asked a college coach if they like A teams who intentionally play B teams ti make their players look better and to showboat? Play the A teams, period!

Again, CT and Steps should be embarrassed entering themselves in the B bracket to beat up on some teams to look good in front of college coaches. Very, very selfish and entitled move!

You think Steps and Grizzlies care when you all pony up a $1000 to be on a team. They are sad all the way to the bank.

Not sure how you blame the coaches when the one MEMEMEME player held the ball instead of moving it {which she did all tourney} up 3 and got it checked and let PA back in it.
Not to be too harsh but that game was won, and selfish plays was the demise of LI, not coaching! The young coach who played at NW is loved and respected by the players…. Players NEED some accountability and parents are the blame…..Look in the mirror, stop Blaming coaches..
And hats off to Philly for not quitting and taking advantage of the island mistakes.[/quote]

To be fair, the fundamental problem with AS is the selection process. No matter the sport, when a team is selected by folks who aren't coaching it, there will be problems. This is why the level of play tends to be better at under armor. Politics aside, the coaches pick their full roster (as opposed to just picking last 4 in American select).

Not sure how you blame the coaches when the one MEMEMEME player held the ball instead of moving it {which she did all tourney} up 3 and got it checked and let PA back in it.
Not to be too harsh but that game was won, and selfish plays was the demise of LI, not coaching! The young coach who played at NW is loved and respected by the players…. Players NEED some accountability and parents are the blame…..Look in the mirror, stop Blaming coaches..
And hats off to Philly for not quitting and taking advantage of the island mistakes.[/quote]

That’s why it’s on the coaches. My daughter loved the coach, but she did not make good decisions in the final stretch of that game. Selfish players cost the game that was won by players on the bench. Too much sloppy cradling playing not to lose and weak draw circle. Changes should have been made.

Don’t agree with the majority here. Seems like people are upset for all different reasons. Whether their kid was left off a roster or who is being showcased…..

Have a different experience. At AS Daughter wasn’t on the team doing the selection. Received All Tournament First Team. So as far as we are concerned was fine. I’m sure everyones experience is different.

Changes should have been made.

Says the mommy that never coached a game.

Are you talking about the LI Black team at American Select that was tied 4-4 at half time and only beat California 9-7 in the quarter finals?

LI Highlite UA coaches were in it to win 2Nd half.
Ist half did the right thing playing all pretty equal like they did the entire tournament. Second 1/2, 1st line draw girl went on a streak and LI went up by 3. Coaches kept the hot players on the field, draw and attack. 10-7 with 3 mins to go refs change their foul calling and hand Philly 4 straight free pos. And LI goes man down. Ugly loss. LI goalies didn’t make a single save. Very Strong 1st mid line, decent 2nd. Very good defense and 4 of the top attackers in the 23 class.

You forgot to mention how the first line “”hot” players lost a game that was won. Nobody “changed” foul calls. Shooting balls after whistle, losing too many crucial draws at end to stop the run, cross checking to head yellow, dropping the ball because you cradle too many times are all mistakes that should not happen if you want to win a game. If your “best” players can’t pass the ball around without turning it over to kill a few minutes with a two goal lead…. Maybe they’re not your best players?

When do they release the UA all tournament team?

Stop. There was no “run” at the end. All 8 meter fouls called at the 12 or 15 that were not called earlier. Agreed about yellow card and the shot after whistle. Draw wings lost some battles when Draw girl didn’t self draw after going on that run to put them up 10-7. Tons of talent on the field and on the sidelines and they all played a big role all week. Move on. I’m sure your kid is going to a fantastic school. Congrats to all

Lots of the complaints here are driven by poor roster construction, especially for the red and grey teams.

When you have 11 middies and 5 D on a roster, guess what - there are going to be a lot of unhappy middies on the roster. If you wanted to play more, you should have tried out for another position, or just be better.

Predictions on what's going to happen September 1? Who's going where?

Lots will be determined in the last chance camps over the next 3 weeks. I know lots of LI girls will be going to the Duke and UVA camps .

Nothing will happen Sept 1 except calls. As visits happen throughout September, we will a few, maybe 5-8 commit to top 20 schools. There are a lot of good lacrosse players out there that don’t live on LI, which will prove to be a rude awakening for many LI folks as these girls secure to most sought after commitments. Good news is that there are a ton of lax programs, so anyone who wants to play in college can

AS 24' Black team complete political joke... 19 of the 23 players from the same club... 4 from another club.... where were the coaches from? Who runs AS?

Selfish play will always hurt a team and it is ugly to watch.

AS 24' Black team complete political joke... 19 of the 23 players from the same club... 4 from another club.... where were the coaches from? Who runs AS?

Selfish play will always hurt a team and it is ugly to watch.


The whole AS and UA is the same in the selection process. Almost every team at AS had 75% of the regions top club making the roster. On surface, you would think that makes sense. Top team in the region is going to have the majority of kids on a regional team. If your kid isn't on that team it stinks if she's not selected to get the other 4-6 spots. . My daughter made Selects and wasn't from one of the host teams. Splitting hairs when you say one girl should be getting it over another. Every girl on this team was really good. Could there be more girls from my daughters club team making the select team, of course. But they were not much different than all the girls there. If your kid didn't make it, should have sent her to the Maryland Showcase. Same coaches went there as they did UA and AS. .

Coaches have their lists and rankings based on watching girls play all summer. Going to a camp will change this.

BS! No coaches at Md Showcase. That event is worthless unless you are going D3. AS is not better than UA. UA is not better than AS. One is just way cheaper. Rosters are too big for both.

Two years ago we went. Plenty of D1 teams there. Still think there was over 30 D1 teams there. Let's be honest, if someone's daughter was going top 15, she would have made one of the UA or AS teams. Respectfully

Two years ago we went. Plenty of D1 teams there. Still think there was over 30 D1 teams there. Let's be honest, if someone's daughter was going top 15, she would have made one of the UA or AS teams. Respectfully[/quote]

And the point wasn't so much about the Maryland Showcase. If your kid doesn't make it UA or AS, just go to a different showcase where there is a large number of schools on her list.

It likely won't add girls to the list but it can get the list narrowed down to see who gets offered in early September. Also, it shows who is serious about the school since many of the camps overlap.

Top LI 24 kids to Stony Brook !

The coaches at the top programs, the top 10-20 programs have their lists prioritized. When the top kids start committing all of the coaches will adjust their lists, this process will continue for months. Coaches know the players that they want and they will let the players know by making an offer right away. If a coach is talking to your daughter and not making an offer it is because the coach has other players ranked higher than your daughter and is waiting to see if they can get the other players. Recruiting is not rocket science and it does not take a coach long to determine if they want a player based on her ability but sometimes the player personality comes into play. good luck to all, enjoy the ride, most will end up where they are supposed to be.

Most commit classes have 6-8 girls, and the commit teams are usually 2 years (12-16 girls between 2022-2023 classes) plus maybe a few other players/commits from other schools/friends, etc, to fill out the team if needed. It's a chance for the incoming girls to get to play together and get to know each other before they go to school. College coaches usually aren't there for the girls (think it's a dead period), although many do the Philly tournament in late July. It's a chance to see their commits play and get to know them before coming to campus. While the lax at LP is decent, it is much more of a social/team building experience for the commits.

Does anyone have any feedback they can share regarding the end of summer clinics. Pre-Covid all of August was a dead period and now there all all of these prospect days prior to 9/1. If your daughter has interest from schools, do they really need to go to these? I think this was a new thing with the 23's last year. Just trying to navigate this final stretch and with fall sports season being underway late August.

The coach will let you know to come for the last look camp if they are serious about your player. If you are too tier- you will know you are.

Clown Comment!

Varies school by school. For some schools, it is a cash grab or opp to get early look at 25s. For others, it is a critical event.

If it is critical, they will let your club director know. One ACC school in particular fully expects all top recruiting targets to attend

Doesn't make it inaccurate. No one likes to hear it, but almost all of the Stony's top recruits don't have the academics to get into other perennial top 20 programs.

There is a reason Gary Gait used to call it LICC when recruiting. (Long Island Community College).

The following is such an ignorant and foolish statement:

"Stony's top recruits don't have the academics to get into other perennial top 20 programs."

While I have no idea what type of grades SBU's Top Recruits have, I do know that the majority of Perennial Top 20 Programs have the ability to get just about any "Top Recruit" through admissions.

Perennial Top 20

Maryland
North Carolina
Boston College
Northwestern
Syracuse
Stony Brook
Florida
Princeton
Virginia
Notre Dame
Penn

others that are often Top 20:

Loyola
Duke
James Madison
Penn State
Denver
Stanford
USC
UMass

Maybe a couple of others as well.... But those are the majority of the teams that regularly finish the season ranked in the top 20 over the past 10 years or so...

The majority of the schools listed above have tremendous latitude when it comes to admissions...

You paint with a very broad brush. You are not getting into an Ivy, Stanford, ND, or Duke without a 1300-1400 SAT (depending on the school, some don’t require scores anymore) and very high grades all As, maybe one B, and in advanced HS courses. If you think differently, you are misinformed. As for the other schools you mentioned, they can get anyone in. A girl who is a a high level recruit and meets high level academic criteria has more choices. She can choose from a school that has a legit chance at a NC like MD, UNC, BC and major in lacrosse, or she can choose a high level academic school that has competitive lacrosse and the ability to pursue a major that gives opportunity to secure a life changing job. Everyone has different priorities, but if you have the grades, you have more options.

Of that list, here are the schools that a player with a 3.2 GPA and 1050 SAT can get into

- Stony
- Maryland
- Umass
- Loyola
- JMU
- Syracuse
- Umass (though im not sure they are perenniel top 20)
- Penn State

And for the schools that may make "exceptions" it is usually one exception per class, not across the entire recruiting class. If you hear stories of kids getting admitted with less, its usually because there are a member of an underrepresented group. If you don't believe me, go to the Maryland board and read about a 2022 UA All-american who couldnt get into her dream school UNC because of grades


While I don't think Stony academics are as bad as its reputation, it is definitely not in the same level as a large majority of the normal top 15-20.

Not the poster that you are responding to but... Talk about misinformed... Not all "Ivy's" have the same admission standards, and only Penn and Princeton are traditionally Top 10 - 20 lacrosse programs. Stanford obviously has pull with admissions as does ND and Duke as well as Northwestern. Not long ago there was an email posted on here stating that SAT below 1200 would be cause for concern at Duke but it didn't say the coach couldn't get the Student Athlete in.

If you have been told by a college coach at any of the top academic schools that you must have a minimum of 1300 SAT your daughter is not a Top Tier Recruit. Sure the recruits at the Top academic institutions need excellent academic credentials but you are the the one painting with a broad brush. Attempting to diminish schools like MD, UNC and BC is laughable, they are all excellent schools.

If you are a Top Tier Recruit with good grades you can go pretty much go to any "Lacrosse School", if you have excellent grades but are an average / good lacrosse player you will be more limited... Just about all of the schools listed as Top 20 lacrosse schools have excellent academics and can help get the graduate a great job in the field that they are interested in.

Every program has a Top Recruit and a Bottom Recruit and the academic credentials for each are not the same. Even at schools that have "athletic/lacrosse slots" there can be a difference in what grades the recruit needs. The better the player/athlete the more room the coach has.

The fact that you think MD and UNC are in the same conversation as Yale, Stanford, Penn, Princeton, etc. show how delusional you are. You are not getting into those schools with 1200 SAT and mediocre academics no matter how good you are at lacrosse. I know many who attended and currently attend those schools and I am well aware of how it works. Why do you think the best and brightest young people dream of being admitted to a top 10 school. It’s because the opportunities are life changing. I am not diminishing the other schools at all. I have one child who graduated from a Big 10, and one from an Ivy. Huge difference in opportunities and connections. Now, playing for a national championship is a dream for many, and the schools in that conversation are all decent academic schools, but the pressure put on the players is much greater as well. Everyone is different and has different priorities. Getting to play in college is a special gift no matter what school you choose.

Not a single post said MD and UNC were equivalent to Yale, Stanford, Penn, Princeton etc... You are painting with a broad brush again... Cornell is not Princeton or Yale and Ohio State is not Northwestern or Hopkins.... You do not seem well aware of anything except your own opinion.