BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) NLF Rankings VS Inside Lacrosse

This was not debatable a few years ago as NLF was only NLF teams and Inside lacrosse was competent with player rankings. It is pretty obvious Inside lacrosse is being out worked and out performed With recent player comittments the NLF is the only place with actual information on players. Nice thing too is the player evaluations are for players from everywhere not just Maryland.

When you explore the actual coverage of HS players it is amazing how IL and TZ has fallen and have to a degree abandoned it. I have had a few kids go through it and it is not top secret he only cares and largely covers Maryland and a strong dislike for LI players and will stick it to a LI kid when he can in favor of a MIAA player. He will only attend MIAA games and turns his back on rest of HS lacrosse which is fine as long as he isn’t trying to fairly evaluate players key part is fair and this has been happening for years but deteriorating as of the past few.
Nephew plays for A very strong HS outside LI or MD and they are top 10 but are rarely covered
As far as the rankings go and visibility at events and evaluation of players from all areas is dominated by NLF rankings while IL has a few college coaches and a few club coaches that strongly influence the rankings. One side working one not
None of it matters but since you asked it got me going

NLF players is basically NLF teams. Ratings are not accurate.

NLF Used to be that way when they first started but they have been much more thorough actually covering players from everywhere WATCHING players and evaluating them multiple times . Everyone knows Ty only covers MD and really knows nothing about others areas, hardly shows up at any events and has a very select group of college coaches and club coaches that do his work and he rewards them. He also dislikes LI guys and usually screws them. (St Anthony’s freshman at Duke getting moved down in his latest ranking for a UVA player ). Bad look for IL tough evaluating on a barstool

Prerequisites to make player rankings: 2 year holdback. Must start showing DOB..

IL did DOB with their rankings a few years ago with 2022 class. It is true And eye opening when you think about the drop off in coverage of Inside Lacrosse as they are asleep at the wheel. When they actually out a recruiting article it’s either local (MD) or click bait. Ty hates LI and he does what he can to prove that. NLF is much more detailed and complete than IL who barely attends non IL events

What is the point of showing DOB now?

The NLF rankings are just a puppet for the NLF management and used as purely a marketing piece for their players. Plenty of non nlf summer teams thumping NLF teams and not even ranked, the HS ranking ended when the catholic league was over in NY and didn't bother to continue to the end of the season. NLF has a ton of good players so the player rankings have them all but earlier boasts to include all players never materialized.

It originally was only NLF but is now open to all and the coverage has really expanded . That’s said a large majority of the top players are NLF players so it makes sense. The lack of LI acknowledgment from the original 2023 inside lacrosse rankings is consistent with similar in the 22 class. Ty will do whatever he can to skip over a LI player it’s not a secret . Most recent was AM freshman at Duke starting who TY pushed to 2 and we all know why .

How many 2023 ranked boys are from non-nlf playing teams? In addition, how many 2023 teams are non-NLF playing teams?

Prerequisites: 1) Coaches kid 2) Attend a paid NLF showcase vs subpar composition 3) holdback

Yes I agree TY has really hurt Inside lacrosse image with his anti LI sentiment and laziness and while NLF is improving still has a ways to go but is at least fair for the most part

20-22/25 are from NLF teams. Ridiculous. As for the Virginia player now number 1. Well deserved and being number 2 ain’t too shabby. The Virginia kid is a man among boys. I can’t speak to the IL bias but clearly NLF is biased as well. The one advantage for IL is they are not seeking to promote their teams.

OH NO! not number 2 in the country!

lol who cares you nerd

NLF more biased. They only care about their teams. They also intentionally exclude teams from their invite only tournaments.

Both are flawed but everyone knows how NLF operates.

Need to put birthdate or year on these rankings. NLF is holdback U.

My kid made the rankings. Just turned 16 not attending the NLF or One Percent Showcase. Your kid didn’t cut it this first ranking so stop crying. Worry more about what your HS or club coach thinks.

Congrats What Number is he ranked ?

LOL...nice try!

Any ranking system, tournament, or showcase that has a clear bias towards a certain group of teams is completely ridiculous. NLF has been exposed and will never have the clout it once had.

FLIDteen

NLF rankings is not accurate and MC who writes about it is a bozo.

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Quick Breakdown of the NLF Rankings and players on each team.

1 Team 91 LI Wolfpack (5)
2 Eclipse (6)
3 Crabs (3)
4 LI Express CoachS (2)
5 MadLax Capital (2)
6 Laxachusetts (3)
7 Team 91 Maryland (4)
8 Brotherly Love (2)
9 Legacy Taz (1)
10 Prime Time (3)
11 Thunder (1)
12 Big 4 HHH (1)
13 Leading Edge (1)
14 Annapolis Hawks (0)
15 Denver Elite (3)
16 West Coast Starz (3)
17 Express North (1)
18 Resolute (2)
19 SweetLax Upstate (1)

NR: MadDog (3) , Next Level (2), SweetLax FLA (2), LIE 23's (1), DC Lax (1), S2S (1), BBL (1), True (1), Freedom (1), 2Way (1),. Cherries (1) .

express North 2024 does not have a single players listed in the top 60 playesr

maybe DC Express

Am sorry but 9 between the 91 organizations is a lot. Obv bias with the person who writes them who I’m not sure even played lacrosse. Plus the number of 5 stars is a lot. Maybe crush but not these teams.

Eclipse with 6 and haven't won a major tournament. Obv bias with the person who writes them who I’m not sure even played lacrosse and works for 91 and runs his own showcase.

Express North does very little to promote their players nor do they help with recruiting.

Both NLF and inside lacrosse have issues. NLF is biased to their affiliates and the biggest issue with inside lacrosse is glaring and makes it a joke is Ty only watches MIAA lacrosse and realistically has no idea what’s going on in other regions As much as I dislike things NLF does IL is way worse

Absolutely accurate

why do people pay to play for express north if they arent helping with recruiting?

The smart ones who can play elsewhere leave

They play in most of the top tournaments and thus the recruiting exposure occurs in that sense (passive recruiting, not active recruiting). They also usually play in a lot of tournaments as well (up to 5 sometimes). But it is definitely a club where all you get is good tournaments. Very little support from coaches or directors and very little promotion which you would think they would use names like Schreiber and Brameier to their advantage especially for recruiting but that I have heard is fairly non-existent. They also run anywhere from 2-4 teams per grade so it is a bit of a money churn. The other programs in the area usually have one team at the high school level (Preds, 2way, PrimeTime, eclipse). They are not quite at that level but above Ct Wolves and 91 TrIState. There are the new clubs Dragons and Calvary which will be interesting to see how they do in a crowded market.

You don't think 2Way is a the same level as Express North... you are right because they are better.

No skin in the game in the 2way vs express north argument but I would imagine it would depend on what year you are talking about. The younger express north seem to be doing well but the high school 2Way teams seem stronger than their express north counterparts. When it came to college placement, I believe for 2021-2023s at least, 2Way has done very well with some high academic D1 placements. Both good programs but each with a different focus.

Anyone have the year by year comparison 2023-2029 as well as the 2020-2023 commit list?

Similarly, no skin in the game but a quick gander at the 23 class bc that’s the class that just committed shows it’s not even a comparison. Maybe I looked at the wrong express team but according to inside lacrosse, express north has one commit going to Army. This surprised me.

2Way has 7 D1 commits, 3 4stars including Princeton, Yale, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Providence, Villanova and Air Force.

In a world of showcases, social media, rankings (nlf and otherwise) Schreiber has truly dropped the ball in terms of recruiting . Either his players are not good or he is not doing his job!! he has some very talented 2024's and none of them were ranked?? 2 way in all fairness is a club of almost 100% reclassed prep school kids. they have the brunswick school as a bit of an anchor and its going to be tough to compete with 2 way for that reason alone

How come nobody is mentioning PrimeTime? Probably the best of the entire bunch in the areas just north of NY/Long Island.