BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Girls' U15 National Championship Tournament - July 23rd-25th, 2013

Believe it or not, there are girls that want to play their sport first, and hope to complement that with the best education they can achieve. Wanting to be an athlete is a legitimate aspiration.

My kid wants to play xbox profesionally... this post is insane! Objective is to get a degree and a good job not to be an athlete that once they are done with college coaches summer lacrosse and coach some small high school for 5 grand a year. Tell me you are playing travel to HELP get into Princeton thats a good answer

2016 topguns clearly Long Islands best. go topguns.

YELLOW JACKETS 2015 BLUE L/M
Got robbed last year !!!!!! That is some team!

YELLOW JACKETS 2015 BLUE L/M
Got robbed last year !!!!!! That is some team!

Though a very good team 2015 L/M did not get robbed last year. There over aggressive tactics, and and coaches inability to adapt to a what was clearly happening in the tournament season cost them. As far as this year goes, clearly Top Guns fielded the better team in Fla. though the leading player was from 2015 Black. So it's hard for me to determine who is the better 2016,. I think the best 2016 is MD. but hard to state that with any certainty without all three playing against each other head to head in a tournament format. Truth is, none of it makes any difference. Top guns players will be playing with MD. players and Y.J. players in college, so lets just wish each other good luck

Kind of a dumbas? comment. You can't tell who's better because the top player on TG is on a 2015 team. U15 is the only true way to determine who is the best in a age group (because it's actually based on age). If you keep using the 2015/2016 to determine, you could have a kid who is 2 to 3 years older.

Kind of a dumbas? comment. obviously you are a "dumbas" whatever a dumdas is? The U-15 tournament is a very nice event for the kids to have at the end of a long hot summer season, but truly proves nothing as far as the "who is the best" debate. If you are able to send teams as a whole, with no added players to the roster, it would be a truer indicator. but when you can pick a player from an older team it erodes the "my team is better than yours" claim. If you take the aforementioned player out of the lineup, and remove her goals, maybe Top Guns loses, maybe they don't. One thing for sure is that she is a full year more developed than the rest of the team because she has been playing at a higher level for a longer time. Also the U-15 are very deficient in that most of the top teams are missing (MD United, M&D, to mention 2) If you want to do a U-15 age only can we pick a truer date like January 1 of any year, this isn't soccer. September 1 isn't the start of any year it's in January

You just don't get it. U15 is u15, every team has the ability to pick any girl who fits the criteria. You mention teams like M&D and MD United, and they can't send their team because they lose too many players do to their AGE. Let me speak in simple terms for you so you can understand. Just because a girl is on a 2015 team, that doesn't mean she is one more year LAX developed, it just means she graduates in 2015. Lets call this the Reverse Doogie Houser expierment. Lets say a kid is left back 5 years, and he/she will graduate in 2016. In their junior year of high school, they will have less expierence than a senior 2015. I made the years left back extreme to prove a point. Truth is a year or two difference in the high school years makes a big difference. U15 is a better barometer then grad yr. Atleast all girls are under 15 by a certain date. It's better than having a girl from MD who is 19 and graduating against my daughter who will be 17.

You just don't get it. U15 is u15, every team has the ability to pick any girl who fits the criteria. You mention teams like M&D and MD United, and they can't send their team because they lose too many players do to their AGE. Let me speak in simple terms for you so you can understand. Just because a girl is on a 2015 team, that doesn't mean she is one more year LAX developed, it just means she graduates in 2015. Lets call this the Reverse Doogie Houser expierment. Lets say a kid is left back 5 years, and he/she will graduate in 2016. In their junior year of high school, they will have less expierence than a senior 2015. I made the years left back extreme to prove a point. Truth is a year or two difference in the high school years makes a big difference. U15 is a better barometer then grad yr. Atleast all girls are under 15 by a certain date. It's better than having a girl from MD who is 19 and graduating against my daughter who will be 17.

I think we need to agree to disagree. I will again say that this is not soccer and the U-15 format in lacrosse is flawed. Let me say this to you in a way you might understand. The grad year age group is done for a single reason. Recruitment. Coaches want to see what players are available at the start of recruitment in any year. they do not care if your daughter will be 18 or 19 when she graduates. the do not want to weed through the girl that is 15 now but entered school a year late so though she is 15 now she is only in 9th grade, NO, they want to know that she will graduate in june of 2014. according to all you obnoxious Y.J. and T.G. parents you all have the best lacrosse players on the face of the planet on every team in every age group, so why don't you stop cherry picking players from this grad year because she started school later and send your team down as a whole. the U-15 format allowed a girl that will graduate in 2015, and plays on 2015 travel club, to compete in an event that was dominated by 2016 players or younger. You boast how your teams can beat every other club, so let MD. and M&D send down there summer 2016 roster and see if you can beat them. With the rules that are currently in place it seems that T.G. is the only club cheating this year. they sent down a rising Junior to compete against freshmen and sophomores .

I think we need to agree to disagree. I will again say that this is not soccer and the U-15 format in lacrosse is flawed. Let me say this to you in a way you might understand. The grad year age group is done for a single reason. Recruitment. Coaches want to see what players are available at the start of recruitment in any year. they do not care if your daughter will be 18 or 19 when she graduates. the do not want to weed through the girl that is 15 now but entered school a year late so though she is 15 now she is only in 9th grade, NO, they want to know that she will graduate in june of 2014. according to all you obnoxious Y.J. and T.G. parents you all have the best lacrosse players on the face of the planet on every team in every age group, so why don't you stop cherry picking players from this grad year because she started school later and send your team down as a whole. the U-15 format allowed a girl that will graduate in 2015, and plays on 2015 travel club, to compete in an event that was dominated by 2016 players or younger. You boast how your teams can beat every other club, so let MD. and M&D send down there summer 2016 roster and see if you can beat them. With the rules that are currently in place it seems that T.G. is the only club cheating this year. they sent down a rising Junior to compete against freshmen and sophomores .

If we are talking 2016 teams only....TG is not very good and has never beaten YJ's Defo, Hero's or M&D.

If we are talking 2016 teams only....TG is not very good and has never beaten YJ's Defo, Hero's or M&D.

The only thing I care about at the end is that my daughter is a well adjusted, smart, beautiful girl that will succeed whether she plays D1, D2, D3, or Club LAX in college.

My daughter is well adjusted and smart just not beautiful, I guess she is lucky your not her parent

Lets end this:

Best 2016 team Defo
Best U-15 team TG

Two different topics.

The Maryland team that competed as "NEM&D" had players from the following clubs on it, M&D, NEMS, Heros and TLC.

I agree but must say I think if YJ took there best available 2015 players the outcome would have been different.

Championship Final Score - Thursday, July 25th

Gold Medal - Championship Match - 12 noon

Field 18: #7 Long Island Top Guns defeats #4 Yellow Jackets Blue, 14-12

Cage you are ridiculously biased and because you can edit posts no one can call you out on your bs.First thing I said was I agree but to say all the what ifs have been answered is just silly.Most of the posts on your site are what ifs.You act like YJ goes all out for this tournament when in fact they have a total of two team practices and treat it about the same as all other tournaments.

Cage you are ridiculously biased and because you can edit posts no one can call you out on your bs.First thing I said was I agree but to say all the what ifs have been answered is just silly.Most of the posts on your site are what ifs.You act like YJ goes all out for this tournament when in fact they have a total of two team practices and treat it about the same as all other tournaments.

How about we let the community decide which post - yours or mine - is "BS"?

Cage you are ridiculously biased and because you can edit posts no one can call you out on your bs.First thing I said was I agree but to say all the what ifs have been answered is just silly.Most of the posts on your site are what ifs.You act like YJ goes all out for this tournament when in fact they have a total of two team practices and treat it about the same as all other tournaments.

For the years YJ won this tournament all you heard was parents telling everyone that this was the end all crowning of champions tournament, now that yj have not won for a couple years you want to down play it as no big deal, barely practice and barely bother to recruit the better players. I could care less how you feel but you cant have it both ways.

I saw both of the teams play in Florida in earlier rounds. Top Guns win over Y j did not surprise me. Both are great lax teams,but the team fielded by TG this year in Florida was bigger and faster. Clearly that helped make the difference.

Nems and M&D did not combine. A few girls from each club joined together with some other girls. The NEMS and M & D Clubs just did not want to send teams. With the heat and humidity in Florida as well as all the costs hard to argue why this makes sense.

I give the club owners credit. Do not see how any of the benefits outweigh the above.

For some reason there seems to be an inordinate amount of kids from Maryland who can't manage to get out of kindergarten and/or first grade at the proper age, so the majority of players on 2016 teams are too old to qualify for a u-15 tournament(forget any 2015 kids), which means they would be playing on equal footing, this is why they don't enter - has nothing to do with cost, it's a simple risk/reward decision, they can't win at the proper age group, so why expose themselves?