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That’s the whole point - pt has 15 kids every year recruited. Express north. Maybe 1-2.

That was my point before. Predator, PT, 2Way, eclipse all have 1 team at the High School level and do pretty well with recruiting. Express North does much less with recruiting especially when compared to the Long Island parent.

But the point about reclass is valid as it is comparing apples to oranges as 2way is reclass central express north doesn’t have much in the way of reclass. But given that reclass is the new norm and comparing everyone on the same playing field, I would maybe rank the programs by strength (record+recruiting) in maybe this order:
-Eclipse
-2way
-PT
-preds
-Express North
-CT Wolves
-team 91 TriState

in the Fairfield / WestChester area. Does anyone have the records for 2021-2025 as well as the commits?

last year - express North 2024 went undefeated in the NLF fall tourney and had a very very strong fall- beating laxachusets, PrimeTime and LB Thunder- so while Schreiber is falling down on the recruiting, its not for a lack of talent

I believe Schreiber and Brameier are coaching both 24 teams. Curious to see how they do for recruiting. Looks like only a handful of commits for the 23 class

The same with LI EXPRESS equal playing team with a sideline of 30+..

How does NLF Rankings have 6 players from Eclipse 24's in there top 40 and they don't even make playoffs

Eclipse top players haven't accomplished anything this summer, better off playing in Fla in February..

-2way
-PT
-Eclipse
-preds
-Express North
-CT Wolves
-team 91 TriState

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But the point about reclass is valid as it is comparing apples to oranges as 2way is reclass central express north doesn’t have much in the way of reclass. But given that reclass is the new norm and comparing everyone on the same playing field, I would maybe rank the programs by strength (record+recruiting) in maybe this order:
-Eclipse
-2way
-PT
-preds
-Express North
-CT Wolves
-team 91 TriState

in the Fairfield / WestChester area. Does anyone have the records for 2021-2025 as well as the commits?[/quote]

How does NLF Rankings have 6 players from Eclipse 24's in there top 40 and they don't even make playoffs[/quote]

Got to go to Bwick!

NLF rankings are meaningless. Ty Xanders is still the gold standard.

How does NLF Rankings have 6 players from Eclipse 24's in there top 40 and they don't even make playoffs[/quote]

Got to go to Bwick![/quote]

Chandik Rankings are speaking for themselves Complete Joke.

Both have their flaws TY does not travel out of MIAA all spring season. Not one time did he attend a regular season or playoff game on LI. That is malpractice. He will always short change the NE especially LI with a Maryland bias and it’s all based on not evaluating thoroughly Does he know MIAA absolutely and does a great job with that. Can not call yourself a National recruiting evaluator and the only time you watch players is in summer tournament. The few early season LI matchups, the geico classical St Anthony’s, the Nassau and Suffolk championship the Long Island Championships and states (which I understand as their were recruiting events
In the NLF There is a major NLF bias towards their members for sure and many things do not make any sense. Some suggest if players do not attend certain events they will never be ranked
Overall there are just so many high level players. Imagine how players out west feel or even in New England these areas produce major talent yet they fly under the radar

You can’t argue NLF is better. It just includes their clubs. Ty’s is more fulsome of all. But since so few from LI ended up in the top 50 last year, I understand the criticism.

Eclipse is the most political now of all of them!! Their Director coaches CT Nike team and doesn’t hold tryouts invite only to the Ridgefield daddy ball show. He then poaches players from other clubs promising better recruiting if you join Eclipse. Now it looks like he runs the NLF ranking too!!! Too bad they can’t win any thing every summer.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/event/recruiting/event/81815

Considering how many Taz kids, including the only LI 5 star made the IL top 50, I am surprised they are not playing here today.

Gets better IL has Eclipse with FIVE 5stars and they can't win a tournament or even make it into the payoffs. The whole system is compromised.

3 or 4 superstars, yeah. But the rest of the team is probably just good players. Dan Marino never won a SuperBowl with more All Pros than any team.

Eclipse is all holdbacks with daddy Warbucks fathers. Most will disappear at the next level. I only respect on grade kids, the rest are cheaters and need a moral compass check.

One of the major BS factors is how IL isn't just a media source -- it also runs tournaments. So its impossible to separate out how they cover their own recruiting events. Which teams they invite means those teams get featured. And Ty gets told/invited/paid to attend certain tourneys. It's a wicked game.

I wouldn't put much stock in all HS player rankings of many sports EXCEPT it actually impacts college coaches. Lacrosse HS hype machines are very powerful for the connected schools/clubs. And lax coaches completely rely upon club programs to be de facto recruiters for them.

In a time when lacrosse is booming in terms of HS play across the country, the recruiting circuit has actually narrowed. Look at top lists-- the same school and club name dominate the list. College coaches have very limited time or resources to properly screen recruits. They rely upon showcase lists, rankings, tourney appearances, etc.

Amazing how a club-owned property like NLF pretends to be some source of talent evaluation. It's an inside job. And it's working.

What qualifications does Ty Xanders possess that qualify him as an expert talent evaluator?

I love the game. It’s one of my true passions in life. Played for 20 years. Coached youth for about the same. Had two children that went through the process including one that was a top player throughout his career and went on to play at a top D1 program. Having said that, there is no more corrupt sport on the planet. Nothing is anywhere close to “fair”. Nothing! The depth of unethical/cheating absolutely boggles the mind. And it’s all due to the monetization of the sport, with no governing body, with the eventual carrot of getting your kid into a prestigious college. People with money (or people trying to make money off the sport), and no moral character, run the show, and therefore reap all of the benefits. It’s a trashy sport. If you don’t realize that, it’s either because you are still new to the game or your kid doesn’t play at the highest level. Back to the point: EVERYTHING is an “inside job”.

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.

Ty doesn’t watch the LI teams much. IL attended just one tournament that my sons team was at this summer. And the team is a top LI team. Compare that to other teams (Baltimore area) where he sees them play many many times. He obviously gets to know the talent that he sees often, and if he sees your kid only once, the result is obvious. You would think IL would have personal representation in all of the densely populated lacrosse areas like LI, NE, upstate, etc. Everything turned out fine for my son, but it easily could have gone far better, given a fair/impartial process. But, hey, it’s lacrosse. Nothing is fair or impartial.

With so few committed I bet 2024 Schrieber cares about spring. Has anyone from that team committed to a proper D1 lacrosse program?

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.

No high level commits from 2023. One yale commit from 2022 who decommited from yale to go to MIT. Maybe a North Carolina recruit as well. The express north team does not help with recruiting. Though I heard similar rumblings about the Li parent team as well.

Bro where did you get this list?? It isn’t anywhere close to accurate. I’m familiar with 2 of the teams and the list is off by a total of 6 kids being ranked, just for the two teams. Based on that I have to assume that the rest of the teams are wrong too.

LI Express equal playing time is doing the unrecruited wonders this fall.

Played 2Way in Florida. Unimpressive, especially considering they are all holdbacks.

Regarding recruiting, most coaches don’t reach out to college coaches, from my experience. Obviously some do, but many do not. If Express North kids aren’t getting recruited, it’s because of two reasons. The players aren’t impressing college coaches and/or the parents/players aren’t doing their job in marketing the kids to the college coaches. Bottom line, playing the blame game gets you no where. Take some responsibility. The process is up to the parents, not the coaches.

To showcase the integrity of the parents.

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.

Wow. 10th year for these kids and 60% are finally getting to touch the field! Anybody care to do the math on how much that cost per minute of playing time?

NLF player ranking starts this weekend in FLA. 1st and most important how much money the parents have to Matt C.

Bro. Nobody cares about fall. All teams are missing players. Many of them are missing a ton of top players. Most of the good teams don’t even do fall tournies since they can’t have their top players there. Beating any team in the Fall means ZERO. The only true test is summer. How did your kids Express North do this past summer? Seem to recall them losing to my kids team. Don’t recall them winning any championships. And since you’re talking about Fall, obviously summer didn’t go well. Lol.[/quote]

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.[/quote]

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.[/quote]

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.[/quote]

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.[/quote]

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.[/quote]

Of course college coaches care about the good teams. But this reference was made on response to the dad pounding his chest about his club team destroying an express team. What Im saying is the majority of the parents and especially in the context this forum dont care as much about club lacrosse by the time they get to high school. That is why there are barely any posts at the older grade levesl. No "parents" (not coaches) care about club lacrosse in high school. The secure parents that are on good teams know they are on good teams and don't post on some online forum that "my kid beat up your kid" like insecure parents would. My kid played on a good team and would win regularly but I honestly didnt feel the need to post the wins or their rankings or even belittle other kids and teams for losing. Of course college coaches care about club lacrosse but you are reading the post out of context.

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.[/quote]

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.[/quote]

Of course college coaches care about the good teams. But this reference was made on response to the dad pounding his chest about his club team destroying an express team. What Im saying is the majority of the parents and especially in the context this forum dont care as much about club lacrosse by the time they get to high school. That is why there are barely any posts at the older grade levesl. No "parents" (not coaches) care about club lacrosse in high school. The secure parents that are on good teams know they are on good teams and don't post on some online forum that "my kid beat up your kid" like insecure parents would. My kid played on a good team and would win regularly but I honestly didnt feel the need to post the wins or their rankings or even belittle other kids and teams for losing. Of course college coaches care about club lacrosse but you are reading the post out of context.[/quote]

Agree for the most part. But some parents care deeply about their club team. Many families have been together for 10 years on the same team. The top teams have had an absolutely incredible amount of success during that time, where these parents witnessed their babies grow and blossom into young men, alongside their lacrosse brothers. It’s a true brotherhood, from coaches to players to parents, especially when factoring in the success component. In some cases, a club team is an extended family of close friends.

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.[/quote]

Of course college coaches care about the good teams. But this reference was made on response to the dad pounding his chest about his club team destroying an express team. What Im saying is the majority of the parents and especially in the context this forum dont care as much about club lacrosse by the time they get to high school. That is why there are barely any posts at the older grade levesl. No "parents" (not coaches) care about club lacrosse in high school. The secure parents that are on good teams know they are on good teams and don't post on some online forum that "my kid beat up your kid" like insecure parents would. My kid played on a good team and would win regularly but I honestly didnt feel the need to post the wins or their rankings or even belittle other kids and teams for losing. Of course college coaches care about club lacrosse but you are reading the post out of context.[/quote]

Agree for the most part. But some parents care deeply about their club team. Many families have been together for 10 years on the same team. The top teams have had an absolutely incredible amount of success during that time, where these parents witnessed their babies grow and blossom into young men, alongside their lacrosse brothers. It’s a true brotherhood, from coaches to players to parents, especially when factoring in the success component. In some cases, a club team is an extended family of close friends.[/quote]

I apologize as I mischaracterized what "caring" meant. Totally agree that the friendships and experiences are invaluable due to the amount of time together. I simply meant most parents dont 'care" about the "wins and losses" enough to brag about it on a forum. Yes the experience has been great. No one cares who beat who.

I believe the above poster was saying they had a good hall because it’s a good place to start. Better to win in the fall than lose in the fall even though the fall season doesn’t mean much. But I’m so glad and happy that your sons team beat up on that kids team. You sound so proud of yourself; you must have a bumper sticker that says that too.

But while we are at it, nobody cares about club lacrosse in high school. So guess what, your summer championship? Also no one cares but you go on with your bad self.[/quote]

That opinion is obviously coming from a dad from a mediocre or bad team in which case you are right. Nobody cares about mediocre teams. However, college coaches are absolutely obsessed with “good” club teams and their players, for very obvious reasons. Take a look at the top 10 clubs. Almost every kid is committed and all to D1 programs.[/quote]

Wh ywould a college coach recruit from a bad team? Would make no sense to focus on teams not winning and players that are n0ot the best. Sorry if reality is hard for some deulsional peopl.[/quote]


Hello kids get recruited from teams not in the top 50 teams. And yes D1. Most top 10 teams have 5 or 6 amazing kids and rest 3 rating or lower. Delusional to think the bottom 1/3 of a top team would not be better off on another team.

Hello kids get recruited from teams not in the top 50 teams. And yes D1. Most top 10 teams have 5 or 6 amazing kids and rest 3 rating or lower. Delusional to think the bottom 1/3 of a top team would not be better off on another team.[/quote]

If your son is on a top team but not playing, he’s not getting recruited anywhere. The bottom third of these top teams never go D1 and most don’t play in College. You need to play to get better and be seen.