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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams . Complete BS. Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief.
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams . Complete BS. Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief. Bla, Bla, Bla... plenty of other teas running up the score. Could care less about who Duke plays or how many goals they score. Other teams doing it and nobody is complaining.
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams . Complete BS. Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief. 22- 5 BC over UMass 19 - 2 Albany over Colgate 22 - 6 BC over BU 21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct 23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton 20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara 23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing...
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams . Complete BS. Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief. 22- 5 BC over UMass 19 - 2 Albany over Colgate 22 - 6 BC over BU 21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct 23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton 20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara 23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing... You are looking at a portion of one dimension and not the entire three combined (strength of schedule, goal differential and individual statistics). Below are the current top 10 teams per game goal differential, top 25 opponents and top individual points per game scorers. Duke has the #1 goal differential in D1, the #1 and #2 points per game individual scorers in D1 and has played 4 games without a top 25 opponent with two more unranked opponents coming this week. When you look at all three components, Duke is letting its best players run it up against the weakest competition at a rate higher than any other top ranked team in the country. To be clear, this is not a criticism of any player, they are doing what their coaches tell them to do: Duke- 16, (none) 2 players at 7 Boston College- 14 (Northwestern) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 4 UNC- 10 (Florida, James Madison) 2 players at 5 Michigan- 10 (Notre Dame) 1 player at 3 Maryland- 9 (Virginia) 1 player at 5 Loyola- 9 (Johns Hopkins) 1 player at 6 Syracuse- 7 (Stanford, Stony Brook) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 5 Florida- 5 (UNC) 1 player at 7, 1 player at 5 Northwestern- 3 (BC) 1 player at 4 Stony Brook- -1 (Syracuse) 2 players at 4
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams . Complete BS. Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief. Ignorance is bliss….a beat down is looming
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams . Complete BS. Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief. 22- 5 BC over UMass 19 - 2 Albany over Colgate 22 - 6 BC over BU 21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct 23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton 20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara 23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing... You are looking at a portion of one dimension and not the entire three combined (strength of schedule, goal differential and individual statistics). Below are the current top 10 teams per game goal differential, top 25 opponents and top individual points per game scorers. Duke has the #1 goal differential in D1, the #1 and #2 points per game individual scorers in D1 and has played 4 games without a top 25 opponent with two more unranked opponents coming this week. When you look at all three components, Duke is letting its best players run it up against the weakest competition at a rate higher than any other top ranked team in the country. To be clear, this is not a criticism of any player, they are doing what their coaches tell them to do: Duke- 16, (none) 2 players at 7 Boston College- 14 (Northwestern) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 4 UNC- 10 (Florida, James Madison) 2 players at 5 Michigan- 10 (Notre Dame) 1 player at 3 Maryland- 9 (Virginia) 1 player at 5 Loyola- 9 (Johns Hopkins) 1 player at 6 Syracuse- 7 (Stanford, Stony Brook) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 5 Florida- 5 (UNC) 1 player at 7, 1 player at 5 Northwestern- 3 (BC) 1 player at 4 Stony Brook- -1 (Syracuse) 2 players at 4 Who cares, they will be in their ACC schedule soon enough. Their overall schedule is probably tougher than 85% of D1 teams.
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams . Complete BS. Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief. 22- 5 BC over UMass 19 - 2 Albany over Colgate 22 - 6 BC over BU 21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct 23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton 20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara 23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing... You are looking at a portion of one dimension and not the entire three combined (strength of schedule, goal differential and individual statistics). Below are the current top 10 teams per game goal differential, top 25 opponents and top individual points per game scorers. Duke has the #1 goal differential in D1, the #1 and #2 points per game individual scorers in D1 and has played 4 games without a top 25 opponent with two more unranked opponents coming this week. When you look at all three components, Duke is letting its best players run it up against the weakest competition at a rate higher than any other top ranked team in the country. To be clear, this is not a criticism of any player, they are doing what their coaches tell them to do: Duke- 16, (none) 2 players at 7 Boston College- 14 (Northwestern) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 4 UNC- 10 (Florida, James Madison) 2 players at 5 Michigan- 10 (Notre Dame) 1 player at 3 Maryland- 9 (Virginia) 1 player at 5 Loyola- 9 (Johns Hopkins) 1 player at 6 Syracuse- 7 (Stanford, Stony Brook) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 5 Florida- 5 (UNC) 1 player at 7, 1 player at 5 Northwestern- 3 (BC) 1 player at 4 Stony Brook- -1 (Syracuse) 2 players at 4 You lose all credibility when you include Stony Brook in you analysis. Stony Brook has always played a much weaker schedule than any other team considered to be be Top 10 - 20 and they have used that weak schedule to garner a very good looking overall record while allowing their players to pad their stats against weak competition.
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams . Complete BS. Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief. 22- 5 BC over UMass 19 - 2 Albany over Colgate 22 - 6 BC over BU 21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct 23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton 20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara 23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing... Teams choose out of conference games they play. Thats what makes Dukes schedule laughable They choose that
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It seems to me someone has an ax to grind with Duke. If Duke were the only team to run up the score maybe I could understand the whining but that is not the case, many teams do it , why the focus on Duke? Duke plays a weak non conference schedule but overall their schedule is pretty tough.
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams . Complete BS. Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief. 22- 5 BC over UMass 19 - 2 Albany over Colgate 22 - 6 BC over BU 21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct 23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton 20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara 23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing... Teams choose out of conference games they play. Thats what makes Dukes schedule laughable They choose that It looks like all of the games listed above were out of conference games. They were all Blowouts.
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams . Complete BS. Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief. 22- 5 BC over UMass 19 - 2 Albany over Colgate 22 - 6 BC over BU 21- 2 Monmouth over Central Ct 23 - 6 Syracuse over Binghamton 20 - 2 Jacksonville over Niagara 23 - 2 Michigan over Detroit Mercy The list goes on... Fine by me to bash Duke but at least be consistent in your bashing... You are looking at a portion of one dimension and not the entire three combined (strength of schedule, goal differential and individual statistics). Below are the current top 10 teams per game goal differential, top 25 opponents and top individual points per game scorers. Duke has the #1 goal differential in D1, the #1 and #2 points per game individual scorers in D1 and has played 4 games without a top 25 opponent with two more unranked opponents coming this week. When you look at all three components, Duke is letting its best players run it up against the weakest competition at a rate higher than any other top ranked team in the country. To be clear, this is not a criticism of any player, they are doing what their coaches tell them to do: Duke- 16, (none) 2 players at 7 Boston College- 14 (Northwestern) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 4 UNC- 10 (Florida, James Madison) 2 players at 5 Michigan- 10 (Notre Dame) 1 player at 3 Maryland- 9 (Virginia) 1 player at 5 Loyola- 9 (Johns Hopkins) 1 player at 6 Syracuse- 7 (Stanford, Stony Brook) 1 player at 6, 1 player at 5 Florida- 5 (UNC) 1 player at 7, 1 player at 5 Northwestern- 3 (BC) 1 player at 4 Stony Brook- -1 (Syracuse) 2 players at 4 Off the top of my head, Duke will have games vs Syracuse, Penn, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Boston College and North Carolina and possibly 1 or 2 additional ACC games. Outside of ACC teams not too many programs will play many more difficult games than Duke. All of the carrying on is a bit much, none of it matters, Duke will either be competitive vs ACC teams or they will not be competitive. It will all come out in the wash. Sorry, I just don’t get the concern over a snapshot in time. There is a lot of lacrosse to be played, time will tell who is who and what is what.
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams . Complete BS. Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief. Bla, Bla, Bla... plenty of other teas running up the score. Could care less about who Duke plays or how many goals they score. Other teams doing it and nobody is complaining. This response is ignorant on many levels. Other teams have been called out many times over the years at both the collegiate and high school levels for doing exactly that on this site. The other teams are doing it so its okay excuse is ridiculous and these coaches should be better than scheduling obviously overmatched opponents and running up the score . Duke is a good team and there is no reason to do this other than having some of your players pad their overinflated stats,
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AND ensuring a .500 average come to tournament bid selection time.
It would be great for the sport, and college athletics in general, is the elite academics (NU, Hopkins, Stanford, vanderbilt, Duke, ND, Stanford, USC, Ivies) could make a “pact”, so to speak, where they strive to rotate through all 16 or so schools every 4-5 years in their OOC schedule.
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AND ensuring a .500 average come to tournament bid selection time.
It would be great for the sport, and college athletics in general, is the elite academics (NU, Hopkins, Stanford, vanderbilt, Duke, ND, Stanford, USC, Ivies) could make a “pact”, so to speak, where they strive to rotate through all 16 or so schools every 4-5 years in their OOC schedule. What in the world are you talking about?
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams . Complete BS. Duke leads D1 lacrosse in goals per game at 23 beating their 4 opponents by a combined 92-26. Duke has the #1 and #2 point and goal leaders in the country scoring a combined 42 goals compared to 26 by their opponents. With Wofford and East Carolina coming up the onslaught should continue. The #3 points leader in the country has played two ranked teams, the #4 one ranked team and the #5 two ranked teams. Duke has played Gardner-Webb, High Point, Elon and William & Mary. That is why Duke is catching grief. Bla, Bla, Bla... plenty of other teas running up the score. Could care less about who Duke plays or how many goals they score. Other teams doing it and nobody is complaining. This response is ignorant on many levels. Other teams have been called out many times over the years at both the collegiate and high school levels for doing exactly that on this site. The other teams are doing it so its okay excuse is ridiculous and these coaches should be better than scheduling obviously overmatched opponents and running up the score . Duke is a good team and there is no reason to do this other than having some of your players pad their overinflated stats, Not ignorant at all. No other team is being criticized right now for running up the score or their stats. It would appear that everyone but you knows exactly why Duke has lightened the non conference schedule in recent years. The pollsters punish team’s who play a difficult schedule and have a very average or below average record and they reward teams that play a (relatively) weak schedule compared to other top 20 caliber teams. The main reason Duke has changed the caliber of non conference opponents is to ensure at least a .500 record. They don’t do it so their players can rack up points.
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It’s all in the RPI - just you wait...
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SB v SU game was an enjoyable game to watch. They played lax the old fashion way, up and down the field. I don’t the shot clock came into play very often. Also great fast break to slow break goals on both ends. Settled offense maybe 30-35 percent of goals. Overall a pretty clean game-why because the the one ref controlled it right from the start on the very first yellow he gave. Play clean, or your out. And teams did it. (Couple slide up the shoulder yellows but not with intent)
Great job by refs balancing letting them play and stopping it when they needed to.
Wish more games were played like this…. Watched the game. Good game two solid teams. Your comments regarding “pretty clean game” are a bit out of left field. Stony Brook with 6 yellow cards… that’s not too clean.
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The Dukies are afraid of the virus.. they are staying close to home, buses only.. and wont be getting on any airplanes for an OOC game.. Im sure it cam from the top
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The Dukies are afraid of the virus.. they are staying close to home, buses only.. and wont be getting on any airplanes for an OOC game.. Im sure it cam from the top Sorry, no. Duke started scheduling less competitive non conference games before the pandemic.
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The Dukies are afraid of the virus.. they are staying close to home, buses only.. and wont be getting on any airplanes for an OOC game.. Im sure it cam from the top Sorry, no. Duke started scheduling less competitive non conference games before the pandemic. To an extent maybe.. but they always made at least 1 trip out west.. either Stanford or Northwestern
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Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll
1 Boston College (3 - 0) 625 (25) 1
2 North Carolina (3 - 0) 599 2
3 Syracuse (3 - 0) 576 3
4 Stony Brook (0 - 1) 512 4
5 Maryland (2 - 0) 483 8
6 Northwestern (2 - 1) 479 5
7 Florida (1 - 1) 461 7
8 Duke (4 - 0) 454 6
9 Loyola (1 - 0) 419 9
10 Michigan (4 - 0) 391 11
11 Princeton (1 - 0) 383 16
12 Denver (3 - 0) 361 15
13 Virginia (2 - 2) 293 10
14 Rutgers (3 - 0) 252 17
15 Drexel (3 - 0) 229 19
16 Stanford (1 - 2) 197 14
17 Notre Dame (1 - 2) 186 12
18 James Madison (1 - 2) 167 13
19 Penn (1 - 0) 162 20
20 Temple (3 - 0) 157 22
21 Jacksonville (2 - 1) 156 18
22 Vanderbilt (2 - 0) 153 NR
23 USC (3 - 0) 133 NR
24 Johns Hopkins (1 - 1) 48 21
25 UConn (1 - 1) 39 23
RV UMass, Colorado, Ohio State, Virginia Tech, Navy
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AND ensuring a .500 average come to tournament bid selection time.
It would be great for the sport, and college athletics in general, is the elite academics (NU, Hopkins, Stanford, vanderbilt, Duke, ND, Stanford, USC, Ivies) could make a “pact”, so to speak, where they strive to rotate through all 16 or so schools every 4-5 years in their OOC schedule. What in the world are you talking about? All the elites should have the opportunity to play one another in OOC play. Instead, you have teams like Duke blowing out Gardner Webb and Elon for clout.
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Exactly! Maybe the poster before you went to Duke
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AND ensuring a .500 average come to tournament bid selection time.
It would be great for the sport, and college athletics in general, is the elite academics (NU, Hopkins, Stanford, vanderbilt, Duke, ND, Stanford, USC, Ivies) could make a “pact”, so to speak, where they strive to rotate through all 16 or so schools every 4-5 years in their OOC schedule. What in the world are you talking about? All the elites should have the opportunity to play one another in OOC play. Instead, you have teams like Duke blowing out Gardner Webb and Elon for clout. Why not just have the best 20 programs complete against each other and only have the best programs complete in the NCAA Tournament.
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Rank Institution Points (FPV) Last Poll
1 Boston College (3 - 0) 625 (25) 1
2 North Carolina (3 - 0) 599 2
3 Syracuse (3 - 0) 576 3
4 Stony Brook (0 - 1) 512 4
5 Maryland (2 - 0) 483 8
6 Northwestern (2 - 1) 479 5
7 Florida (1 - 1) 461 7
8 Duke (4 - 0) 454 6
9 Loyola (1 - 0) 419 9
10 Michigan (4 - 0) 391 11
11 Princeton (1 - 0) 383 16
12 Denver (3 - 0) 361 15
13 Virginia (2 - 2) 293 10
14 Rutgers (3 - 0) 252 17
15 Drexel (3 - 0) 229 19
16 Stanford (1 - 2) 197 14
17 Notre Dame (1 - 2) 186 12
18 James Madison (1 - 2) 167 13
19 Penn (1 - 0) 162 20
20 Temple (3 - 0) 157 22
21 Jacksonville (2 - 1) 156 18
22 Vanderbilt (2 - 0) 153 NR
23 USC (3 - 0) 133 NR
24 Johns Hopkins (1 - 1) 48 21
25 UConn (1 - 1) 39 23
RV UMass, Colorado, Ohio State, Virginia Tech, Navy How many teams make NCAA Tournament this year? How many automatic bids? How many at large bids?
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Just looked at Virginia's schedule.... Very difficult.
If they do not make the NCAA Tournament I could see them going the way of Duke.
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AND ensuring a .500 average come to tournament bid selection time.
It would be great for the sport, and college athletics in general, is the elite academics (NU, Hopkins, Stanford, vanderbilt, Duke, ND, Stanford, USC, Ivies) could make a “pact”, so to speak, where they strive to rotate through all 16 or so schools every 4-5 years in their OOC schedule. What in the world are you talking about? All the elites should have the opportunity to play one another in OOC play. Instead, you have teams like Duke blowing out Gardner Webb and Elon for clout. Why Elite academic schools and who decides who the elite academic schools are.
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AND ensuring a .500 average come to tournament bid selection time.
It would be great for the sport, and college athletics in general, is the elite academics (NU, Hopkins, Stanford, vanderbilt, Duke, ND, Stanford, USC, Ivies) could make a “pact”, so to speak, where they strive to rotate through all 16 or so schools every 4-5 years in their OOC schedule. What in the world are you talking about? All the elites should have the opportunity to play one another in OOC play. Instead, you have teams like Duke blowing out Gardner Webb and Elon for clout. Why Elite academic schools and who decides who the elite academic schools are. IDK where the cutoff is for "elite" but the premise is a bit idiotic. Especially naming Elon. Elon beat Duke not too long ago and finished in the Top 20 recently, UMass is another example, They lost to Boston College 22-5 this year but they beat Boston College in 2020 and have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 multiple times in recent years. The whining about Duke is just nonsense, there are a lot of blowouts every year. There have been a many lopsided games already this year but we only seem to hear about Duke.
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Can’t wait to catch that Duke Wofford game tomorrow. Should be a real barn burner. Another chance to inflate some stats
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I'm looking forward to Jacksonville vs UNC on Sunday. While I think UNC will prove to be too much overall, I do like how much Jacksonville has improved as a team. They really should have beaten USC.
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I'm looking forward to Jacksonville vs UNC on Sunday. While I think UNC will prove to be too much overall, I do like how much Jacksonville has improved as a team. They really should have beaten USC. I would say could have, not should have... Although Jacksonville will most likely win their conference, games like that are very important when it comes to getting an at large bid. Quality wins (as the NCAA defines them) wins vs Top 5 RPI, Top 10 RPI, Top 20 RPI (at least on the mens side) not sure criteria for women. Looking at last year RPI, USC would have a QW vs Top 20 RPI Team as Jacksonville was # 16 in RPI. RPI and the Polls are not always the same.
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I'm looking forward to Jacksonville vs UNC on Sunday. While I think UNC will prove to be too much overall, I do like how much Jacksonville has improved as a team. They really should have beaten USC. I would say could have, not should have... Although Jacksonville will most likely win their conference, games like that are very important when it comes to getting an at large bid. Quality wins (as the NCAA defines them) wins vs Top 5 RPI, Top 10 RPI, Top 20 RPI (at least on the mens side) not sure criteria for women. Looking at last year RPI, USC would have a QW vs Top 20 RPI Team as Jacksonville was # 16 in RPI. RPI and the Polls are not always the same. Fair point, but keep in mind Jacksonville had the lead for a good while, but started to lose out on the ground ball game in the second half. Absolutely a winnable game. It's good to see USC finding some success, as they just haven't been the USC of old for a while. Notre Dame has been a big disappointment for me.
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Virginia is currently 2 - 5 and they are probably better than 110 Teams. Perfect example of why a teams record is not an indication of how a team stacks up in women's DI lacrosse.
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[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8. Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina. 1. UNC 3.2 2. Maryland 3.4 3. BC 5.2 4. Stony Brook 6.8 5. Syracuse 7.8 6. Florida 8.2 7. Northwestern 8.2 8. Princeton 10.0 9. PENN 12.0 10. Virginia 12.4 11. James Madison 13.0 12. Notre Dame 13.0 13. Penn St. 16.8 14. Loyola 17.2 15. USC 17.8 16. Navy 19.8 17. Stanford 20.0 18. Denver 21.6 19. Duke 22.0 20. Johns Hopkins 22.2 21. Colorado 22.2 22. MASS 23.8 23. Louisville 26.0 Thanks for the leg work. Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year. Made a revision and added a bit more info... I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range. Just looking over what actually took place over the Timeline that you went with, the last 5 full seasons of play I wold say Stony Brook should actually be more like 15 based on their performance and results. Your post caused me to look at a few things, your post and the fact that Stony Brook actually moved up in the poll after week 1 even though they did not play seemed a little weird to me. 2016 , 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021 and YTD 2022 because the phenomenon is continuing. Stony Brooks "Pre-season ranking", "end of regular season ranking" and "final season ranking" have not been justified in any way. 2016 Pre-season 8, regular season 7, final 8. 2017 Pre-season 6, regular season 4, final 4. 2018 Pre-season 2, regular season 1, final 5.. 2019 Pre-season 5, regular season 15 final 12. 2021 Pre-season 6, regular season 5, final 5. 2022 Pre-season 6, current ranking 4. During that time Stony Brook played 4 games vs Top 5 Teams and they are 0 - 4. They are 3 - 8 vs Top 10 Teams with their best wins against #8 2x. They have never made the Final Four yet somehow they ended up at 4 in one of the final rankings. At some point, don't you have to actually win a game against a Top 5 team in order to be considered a top 5 team or be ranked in the Top 5? One would think that in order to be considered Top 10 on a regular basis you would have to have a winning record vs Top 10 Teams. Just looking at last year and this year, They are 0 - 4 vs Top 5 Teams. They had 1 win against a Top 20 team #14 Rutgers. 15 of their 19 games last year were against Teams outside the Top 20. I guess results do not matter Make it make sense, please.
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Can someone tell me the Poke check to the stick became legal in womens lacrosse. That is a check towards the body correct. All I am seeing is defenders reaching out and like checking or clawing at the bottom hand. Don’t mind it but didn’t know it was legal. But it looks like the butt end check is always called.
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[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8. Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina. 1. UNC 3.2 2. Maryland 3.4 3. BC 5.2 4. Stony Brook 6.8 5. Syracuse 7.8 6. Florida 8.2 7. Northwestern 8.2 8. Princeton 10.0 9. PENN 12.0 10. Virginia 12.4 11. James Madison 13.0 12. Notre Dame 13.0 13. Penn St. 16.8 14. Loyola 17.2 15. USC 17.8 16. Navy 19.8 17. Stanford 20.0 18. Denver 21.6 19. Duke 22.0 20. Johns Hopkins 22.2 21. Colorado 22.2 22. MASS 23.8 23. Louisville 26.0 Thanks for the leg work. Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year. Made a revision and added a bit more info... I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range. Just looking over what actually took place over the Timeline that you went with, the last 5 full seasons of play I wold say Stony Brook should actually be more like 15 based on their performance and results. Your post caused me to look at a few things, your post and the fact that Stony Brook actually moved up in the poll after week 1 even though they did not play seemed a little weird to me. 2016 , 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021 and YTD 2022 because the phenomenon is continuing. Stony Brooks "Pre-season ranking", "end of regular season ranking" and "final season ranking" have not been justified in any way. 2016 Pre-season 8, regular season 7, final 8. 2017 Pre-season 6, regular season 4, final 4. 2018 Pre-season 2, regular season 1, final 5.. 2019 Pre-season 5, regular season 15 final 12. 2021 Pre-season 6, regular season 5, final 5. 2022 Pre-season 6, current ranking 4. During that time Stony Brook played 4 games vs Top 5 Teams and they are 0 - 4. They are 3 - 8 vs Top 10 Teams with their best wins against #8 2x. They have never made the Final Four yet somehow they ended up at 4 in one of the final rankings. At some point, don't you have to actually win a game against a Top 5 team in order to be considered a top 5 team or be ranked in the Top 5? One would think that in order to be considered Top 10 on a regular basis you would have to have a winning record vs Top 10 Teams. Just looking at last year and this year, They are 0 - 4 vs Top 5 Teams. They had 1 win against a Top 20 team #14 Rutgers. 15 of their 19 games last year were against Teams outside the Top 20. I guess results do not matter Make it make sense, please. I was surprised by the numbers so I took a look. The above must only be looking at the regular season records. Including post season Stony Brooks record is. 0 - 8 against Top 5 3 - 13 against Top 10 Not trying to pick on Stony Brook but their rankings over the years do not make sense. Facts are facts.
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[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8. Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina. 1. UNC 3.2 2. Maryland 3.4 3. BC 5.2 4. Stony Brook 6.8 5. Syracuse 7.8 6. Florida 8.2 7. Northwestern 8.2 8. Princeton 10.0 9. PENN 12.0 10. Virginia 12.4 11. James Madison 13.0 12. Notre Dame 13.0 13. Penn St. 16.8 14. Loyola 17.2 15. USC 17.8 16. Navy 19.8 17. Stanford 20.0 18. Denver 21.6 19. Duke 22.0 20. Johns Hopkins 22.2 21. Colorado 22.2 22. MASS 23.8 23. Louisville 26.0 Thanks for the leg work. Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year. Made a revision and added a bit more info... I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range. Just looking over what actually took place over the Timeline that you went with, the last 5 full seasons of play I wold say Stony Brook should actually be more like 15 based on their performance and results. Your post caused me to look at a few things, your post and the fact that Stony Brook actually moved up in the poll after week 1 even though they did not play seemed a little weird to me. 2016 , 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021 and YTD 2022 because the phenomenon is continuing. Stony Brooks "Pre-season ranking", "end of regular season ranking" and "final season ranking" have not been justified in any way. 2016 Pre-season 8, regular season 7, final 8. 2017 Pre-season 6, regular season 4, final 4. 2018 Pre-season 2, regular season 1, final 5.. 2019 Pre-season 5, regular season 15 final 12. 2021 Pre-season 6, regular season 5, final 5. 2022 Pre-season 6, current ranking 4. During that time Stony Brook played 4 games vs Top 5 Teams and they are 0 - 4. They are 3 - 8 vs Top 10 Teams with their best wins against #8 2x. They have never made the Final Four yet somehow they ended up at 4 in one of the final rankings. At some point, don't you have to actually win a game against a Top 5 team in order to be considered a top 5 team or be ranked in the Top 5? One would think that in order to be considered Top 10 on a regular basis you would have to have a winning record vs Top 10 Teams. Just looking at last year and this year, They are 0 - 4 vs Top 5 Teams. They had 1 win against a Top 20 team #14 Rutgers. 15 of their 19 games last year were against Teams outside the Top 20. I guess results do not matter Make it make sense, please. All very fair points. My reasoning for 10 was they did not really lose to teams ranked higher than that. 10-15 is fair, where they finished not so much.
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