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"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tornament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. No. Agree that the Duke OOC schedule is not appropriate. But stop crapping on SBU and lets see what you have to say about the Maryland OOC this year. Talk about ducking the competition. Is this a joke ? Duke has 1 (Penn) top 25 out of conference opponent, Maryland has 5 (Virginia, Florida, Penn, Princeton, James Madison) Strange obsession with this non conference nonsense. Overall SOS is really all that matters. Not really it says a lot about what a coach thinks of their team , the better teams and coaches want to challenge themselves the lesser teams have coaches that know they can’t compete .
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"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8. Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina. 1. UNC 3.2 2. Maryland 3.4 3. BC 5.2 4. Stony Brook 6.8 5. Syracuse 7.8 6. Florida 8.2 7. Northwestern 8.2 8. Princeton 10.0 9. PENN 12.0 10. Virginia 12.4 11. James Madison 13.0 12. Notre Dame 13.0 13. Penn St. 16.8 14. Loyola 17.2 15. USC 17.8 16. Navy 19.8 17. Stanford 20.0 18. Denver 21.6 19. Duke 22.0 20. Johns Hopkins 22.2 21. Colorado 22.2 22. MASS 23.8 23. Louisville 26.0 Don’t think Penn State will continue to be in the mix. Their # 13 is because of the earlier time in your data. They have been down since 2019 and they do not look very good at this time. Not picking on PSU but didn’t they go to back to back Final Fours just a short time ago? Denver seems to get over looked. Louisville looked like they were going to make some noise and then they just fizzled out. Syracuse challenges themselves with a very difficult schedule and GG is considered a very good coach but was not able to win. Stony Brook gets a lot of hype, they are always raked high and their coach is considered excellent yet like Syracuse they can’t get it done. Florida and ND similar to Stony Brook and Syracuse but it is the Florida and ND coaches that are blamed for their shortcomings. JMU is still the shining light, they are always competitive, they play a relatively difficult schedule, they won a National Championship with few to no highly touted recruits and most of you do not know the coaches name. Virginia and Princeton are very steady, both play competitive schedules (more so for Virginia/ ACC) and garner some quality wins but haven’t been able to get back to the Final Four or win another National Championship. Would love to see Navy back in the Final Four! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 Hopkins is Hopkins, very steady always around # 20, solid program, excellent academics… Just not the same college experience as the other Big 10 schools. UNC, MD and BC have been in a class by themselves and on another level but MD could be taking a little step back the way Northwestern did after their dominant run. Penn, USC, Loyola and Stanford are all solid but tend to lack depth and that makes it tough to go from Top 20 to Top 10. UMass has flown under the radar, they have had some very good season but have not received the attention that they earned. Colorado??? Very surprised they have not done better, that’s not a knock, they are on that list. IMHO Colorado has a lot to offer, I personally love the place. Welcome to Insomnia …
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"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tornament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. No. Agree that the Duke OOC schedule is not appropriate. But stop crapping on SBU and lets see what you have to say about the Maryland OOC this year. Talk about ducking the competition. Is this a joke ? Duke has 1 (Penn) top 25 out of conference opponent, Maryland has 5 (Virginia, Florida, Penn, Princeton, James Madison) Strange obsession with this non conference nonsense. Overall SOS is really all that matters. Not really it says a lot about what a coach thinks of their team , the better teams and coaches want to challenge themselves the lesser teams have coaches that know they can’t compete . Yes really, it’s not rational to be so concerned with a teams non conference schedule. Not normal. What drives the obsession?
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"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8. Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina. 1. UNC 3.2 2. Maryland 3.4 3. BC 5.2 4. Stony Brook 6.8 5. Syracuse 7.8 6. Florida 8.2 7. Northwestern 8.2 8. Princeton 10.0 9. PENN 12.0 10. Virginia 12.4 11. James Madison 13.0 12. Notre Dame 13.0 13. Penn St. 16.8 14. Loyola 17.2 15. USC 17.8 16. Navy 19.8 17. Stanford 20.0 18. Denver 21.6 19. Duke 22.0 20. Johns Hopkins 22.2 21. Colorado 22.2 22. MASS 23.8 23. Louisville 26.0 Thanks for the leg work. Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year. I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played more top 25 teams at 42 than Duke at 39. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range.
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As of right now, Richmond, Drexel, Michigan, Hopkins are better than Duke
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MOVING ON from this super annoying debate between like 3 people...UConn barely squeaked out a win against Fairfield. Is UConn ranked too high? Many UConn was practicing good sportsmanship. Nah, that’s can’t be it the only team that is unsportsmanlike is Duke. Nobody else would ever run the score up. BC displayed excellent sportsmanship yesterday against UMass. Up 22-5 with 10 seconds left in the game a player from BC picks up a ground ball, sprints down field and takes a shot that was saved by the goalie to end the game. That's sportsmanship!
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"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8. Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina. 1. UNC 3.2 2. Maryland 3.4 3. BC 5.2 4. Stony Brook 6.8 5. Syracuse 7.8 6. Florida 8.2 7. Northwestern 8.2 8. Princeton 10.0 9. PENN 12.0 10. Virginia 12.4 11. James Madison 13.0 12. Notre Dame 13.0 13. Penn St. 16.8 14. Loyola 17.2 15. USC 17.8 16. Navy 19.8 17. Stanford 20.0 18. Denver 21.6 19. Duke 22.0 20. Johns Hopkins 22.2 21. Colorado 22.2 22. MASS 23.8 23. Louisville 26.0 Thanks for the leg work. Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year. I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played more top 25 teams at 42 than Duke at 39. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range. Can't we just solve this by Duke playng Stony Brook every year in an OCC game!?
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[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8. Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina. 1. UNC 3.2 2. Maryland 3.4 3. BC 5.2 4. Stony Brook 6.8 5. Syracuse 7.8 6. Florida 8.2 7. Northwestern 8.2 8. Princeton 10.0 9. PENN 12.0 10. Virginia 12.4 11. James Madison 13.0 12. Notre Dame 13.0 13. Penn St. 16.8 14. Loyola 17.2 15. USC 17.8 16. Navy 19.8 17. Stanford 20.0 18. Denver 21.6 19. Duke 22.0 20. Johns Hopkins 22.2 21. Colorado 22.2 22. MASS 23.8 23. Louisville 26.0 Thanks for the leg work. Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year. Made a revision and added a bit more info... I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range.
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"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8. Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina. 1. UNC 3.2 2. Maryland 3.4 3. BC 5.2 4. Stony Brook 6.8 5. Syracuse 7.8 6. Florida 8.2 7. Northwestern 8.2 8. Princeton 10.0 9. PENN 12.0 10. Virginia 12.4 11. James Madison 13.0 12. Notre Dame 13.0 13. Penn St. 16.8 14. Loyola 17.2 15. USC 17.8 16. Navy 19.8 17. Stanford 20.0 18. Denver 21.6 19. Duke 22.0 20. Johns Hopkins 22.2 21. Colorado 22.2 22. MASS 23.8 23. Louisville 26.0 Don’t think Penn State will continue to be in the mix. Their # 13 is because of the earlier time in your data. They have been down since 2019 and they do not look very good at this time. Not picking on PSU but didn’t they go to back to back Final Fours just a short time ago? Denver seems to get over looked. Louisville looked like they were going to make some noise and then they just fizzled out. Syracuse challenges themselves with a very difficult schedule and GG is considered a very good coach but was not able to win. Stony Brook gets a lot of hype, they are always raked high and their coach is considered excellent yet like Syracuse they can’t get it done. Florida and ND similar to Stony Brook and Syracuse but it is the Florida and ND coaches that are blamed for their shortcomings. JMU is still the shining light, they are always competitive, they play a relatively difficult schedule, they won a National Championship with few to no highly touted recruits and most of you do not know the coaches name. Virginia and Princeton are very steady, both play competitive schedules (more so for Virginia/ ACC) and garner some quality wins but haven’t been able to get back to the Final Four or win another National Championship. Would love to see Navy back in the Final Four! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 Hopkins is Hopkins, very steady always around # 20, solid program, excellent academics… Just not the same college experience as the other Big 10 schools. UNC, MD and BC have been in a class by themselves and on another level but MD could be taking a little step back the way Northwestern did after their dominant run. Penn, USC, Loyola and Stanford are all solid but tend to lack depth and that makes it tough to go from Top 20 to Top 10. UMass has flown under the radar, they have had some very good season but have not received the attention that they earned. Colorado??? Very surprised they have not done better, that’s not a knock, they are on that list. IMHO Colorado has a lot to offer, I personally love the place. Welcome to Insomnia … Some great points. In putting this together, it was interesting to see how teams that were highly ranked in 2016-2018 have dropped so far so fast. Penn St and Navy are a couple where that was evident. James Madison lost a tough one to Virginia Tech last night so they will need to rally to stay top 15 this season. I am rooting for the west coast to keep progressing, it will make lacrosse more attractive from my perspective. What this also affirmed was that D1 womens lacrosse at the elite level is still dominated by just two teams in Maryland and Northwestern if you go back a bit further. These 2 teams have won 12 of the last 16 championships with UNC winning 2, BC 1 and James Madison 1.
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[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8. Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina. 1. UNC 3.2 2. Maryland 3.4 3. BC 5.2 4. Stony Brook 6.8 5. Syracuse 7.8 6. Florida 8.2 7. Northwestern 8.2 8. Princeton 10.0 9. PENN 12.0 10. Virginia 12.4 11. James Madison 13.0 12. Notre Dame 13.0 13. Penn St. 16.8 14. Loyola 17.2 15. USC 17.8 16. Navy 19.8 17. Stanford 20.0 18. Denver 21.6 19. Duke 22.0 20. Johns Hopkins 22.2 21. Colorado 22.2 22. MASS 23.8 23. Louisville 26.0 Thanks for the leg work. Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year. Made a revision and added a bit more info... I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range. Not sure why we keep going back to Stony Brook and Duke but here you go. The "Regular Season" schedules for these two teams do not compare at all, Duke consistently plays a much more difficult schedule. I do not like Top 25 would rather use Top 20 as the benchmark because i believe Top 20 to be more accurate (not sure if i am correct). From 2016 - 2021 all seasons. Numbers of Games vs Top 25 Teams 66 - Duke 42 - Stony Brook Dukes Record 24 - 42 vs Top 25 22 - 41 vs Top 20 8 - 28 vs Top 10 2 - 20 vs Top 5 Stony Brooks Record 30 - 12 vs Top 25 19 - 11 vs Top 20 5 - 8 vs Top 10 1 - 3 vs Top 5 No spin, no propaganda those are the numbers. Number of games vs Top 20 63 - Duke 30 - Stony Brook Number of games vs Top 10 36 - Duke 13 - Stony Brook Number of games vs Top 5 22 - Duke 4 - Stony Brook The moral of the story is that Stony Brook has been rewarded for playing a relatively weak regular season schedule compared to just about all traditional Top 10 - 20 teams. Duke on the hand appears to be punished for playing a regular season schedule that is more in line with Traditional Top 20 teams. Not knocking or promoting either team, the numbers are the numbers. 12 of Stony Brooks games were vs teams outside the Top 20, while only 3 of Dukes games were vs teams outside the Top 20. Duke played much more difficult teams and had more Top 20 wins. No comparison in the overall Strength of Schedule.
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[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8. Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina. 1. UNC 3.2 2. Maryland 3.4 3. BC 5.2 4. Stony Brook 6.8 5. Syracuse 7.8 6. Florida 8.2 7. Northwestern 8.2 8. Princeton 10.0 9. PENN 12.0 10. Virginia 12.4 11. James Madison 13.0 12. Notre Dame 13.0 13. Penn St. 16.8 14. Loyola 17.2 15. USC 17.8 16. Navy 19.8 17. Stanford 20.0 18. Denver 21.6 19. Duke 22.0 20. Johns Hopkins 22.2 21. Colorado 22.2 22. MASS 23.8 23. Louisville 26.0 Thanks for the leg work. Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year. Made a revision and added a bit more info... I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range. Not sure why we keep going back to Stony Brook and Duke but here you go. The "Regular Season" schedules for these two teams do not compare at all, Duke consistently plays a much more difficult schedule. I do not like Top 25 would rather use Top 20 as the benchmark because i believe Top 20 to be more accurate (not sure if i am correct). From 2016 - 2021 all seasons. Numbers of Games vs Top 25 Teams 66 - Duke 42 - Stony Brook Dukes Record 24 - 42 vs Top 25 22 - 41 vs Top 20 8 - 28 vs Top 10 2 - 20 vs Top 5 Stony Brooks Record 30 - 12 vs Top 25 19 - 11 vs Top 20 5 - 8 vs Top 10 1 - 3 vs Top 5 No spin, no propaganda those are the numbers. Number of games vs Top 20 63 - Duke 30 - Stony Brook Number of games vs Top 10 36 - Duke 13 - Stony Brook Number of games vs Top 5 22 - Duke 4 - Stony Brook The moral of the story is that Stony Brook has been rewarded for playing a relatively weak regular season schedule compared to just about all traditional Top 10 - 20 teams. Duke on the hand appears to be punished for playing a regular season schedule that is more in line with Traditional Top 20 teams. Not knocking or promoting either team, the numbers are the numbers. 12 of Stony Brooks games were vs teams outside the Top 20, while only 3 of Dukes games were vs teams outside the Top 20. Duke played much more difficult teams and had more Top 20 wins. No comparison in the overall Strength of Schedule. Interested in how you got your data on Duke? I manually compared their schedules form 2016-2021 (excluded 2020) against only final IWLCA rankings, not what a team may have been ranked during the year. Duke was nowhere near 66 games vs. the top 25.
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MOVING ON from this super annoying debate between like 3 people...UConn barely squeaked out a win against Fairfield. Is UConn ranked too high? Many UConn was practicing good sportsmanship. Nah, that’s can’t be it the only team that is unsportsmanlike is Duke. Nobody else would ever run the score up. BC displayed excellent sportsmanship yesterday against UMass. Up 22-5 with 10 seconds left in the game a player from BC picks up a ground ball, sprints down field and takes a shot that was saved by the goalie to end the game. That's sportsmanship! Then the same can be said for UNC who beat Furham 20-7
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Drexel is good this year and Rutgers may surprise a few. Both were pretty good last year as well. Both were in NCAA's Rutgers beat Drexel
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[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8. Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina. 1. UNC 3.2 2. Maryland 3.4 3. BC 5.2 4. Stony Brook 6.8 5. Syracuse 7.8 6. Florida 8.2 7. Northwestern 8.2 8. Princeton 10.0 9. PENN 12.0 10. Virginia 12.4 11. James Madison 13.0 12. Notre Dame 13.0 13. Penn St. 16.8 14. Loyola 17.2 15. USC 17.8 16. Navy 19.8 17. Stanford 20.0 18. Denver 21.6 19. Duke 22.0 20. Johns Hopkins 22.2 21. Colorado 22.2 22. MASS 23.8 23. Louisville 26.0 Thanks for the leg work. Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year. Made a revision and added a bit more info... I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range. Not sure why we keep going back to Stony Brook and Duke but here you go. The "Regular Season" schedules for these two teams do not compare at all, Duke consistently plays a much more difficult schedule. I do not like Top 25 would rather use Top 20 as the benchmark because i believe Top 20 to be more accurate (not sure if i am correct). From 2016 - 2021 all seasons. Numbers of Games vs Top 25 Teams 66 - Duke 42 - Stony Brook Dukes Record 24 - 42 vs Top 25 22 - 41 vs Top 20 8 - 28 vs Top 10 2 - 20 vs Top 5 Stony Brooks Record 30 - 12 vs Top 25 19 - 11 vs Top 20 5 - 8 vs Top 10 1 - 3 vs Top 5 No spin, no propaganda those are the numbers. Number of games vs Top 20 63 - Duke 30 - Stony Brook Number of games vs Top 10 36 - Duke 13 - Stony Brook Number of games vs Top 5 22 - Duke 4 - Stony Brook The moral of the story is that Stony Brook has been rewarded for playing a relatively weak regular season schedule compared to just about all traditional Top 10 - 20 teams. Duke on the hand appears to be punished for playing a regular season schedule that is more in line with Traditional Top 20 teams. Not knocking or promoting either team, the numbers are the numbers. 12 of Stony Brooks games were vs teams outside the Top 20, while only 3 of Dukes games were vs teams outside the Top 20. Duke played much more difficult teams and had more Top 20 wins. No comparison in the overall Strength of Schedule. Interested in how you got your data on Duke? I manually compared their schedules form 2016-2021 (excluded 2020) against only final IWLCA rankings, not what a team may have been ranked during the year. Duke was nowhere near 66 games vs. the top 25. I think it might include 2015.
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[quote=Anonymous]"Actually, comparing Duke to the entire lacrosse is not silly at all. In fact that is exactly what you are doing when you say they are not a Top 10 - 15 the past 5 seasons. With the exception of: Boston College, Maryland, North Carolin, Northwestern, Florida, Syracuse and possibly Virgina, Princeton and Notre Dame what programs are better? As for your statement "Their ranking is actually being lifted more by losing to good teams then beating them!!!" I will say at least Duke is playing the best teams.
There is no math being done, people are simply putting out actual results. Really it is the Duke haters who keep trying to come up wiith different ways to support their opinion but it simply does not work. The numbers are the numbers.
This has become very entertaining watching haters try to come up with way to negate reality."
Do you think their out of conference schedule this year is appropriate for a top 20 team? Do you think running up the score by over 20 goals against clearly over matched opponents who you selected to play is good sportsmanship. Its entertaining to watch the Duke fans do anything to avoid admitting the simple truth , your coaches schedule non competitive out of conference games because they know you have a good chance at losing to teams in the top 25 and not getting to .500 and missing the NCAA tournament again. You again try to say that UVA, Princeton,,ND have been possibly better than Duke the past 5 seasons when all have been better , take UVA for example who play a difficult out of conference schedule every year and have made the NCAA tournament each of the last 5 seasons while Duke has not .The ggod news is Duke will make the NCAA tournament this year and will not make it very deep again. Below are the results if you average the final IWLCA rankings over the past 5 full seasons. For the ivies I also used 2015 as they all did not play last year. There are a few years were IWLCA had a top 25 and earlier years where it was a top 20. Where they also had teams as receiving votes I added them as the next ranked team such as #26 or #21. Several teams have a year where they were not ranked. I used a ranking of #30 as a plug. Interesting results. I can see some folks not liking certain teams being ranked ahead of Duke, but that is the data. Also, take Stanford that was 2-0 against Duke, USC that was 1-0 against Duke, PENN 3-1 against Duke. Anyway, don't let a short memory and slanted view take away from how these teams performed. My two cents, #19 is about right for Duke over that time period with an IWLCA ranking of #8, #21, N/R, N/R and #11. They also went 12-39 over that period against top 25 teams with no wins against a team ranked higher then #8. Let's see how Duke handles their incredibly demanding schedule over the next two weeks with William & Mary, High Point, Wofford and East Carolina. 1. UNC 3.2 2. Maryland 3.4 3. BC 5.2 4. Stony Brook 6.8 5. Syracuse 7.8 6. Florida 8.2 7. Northwestern 8.2 8. Princeton 10.0 9. PENN 12.0 10. Virginia 12.4 11. James Madison 13.0 12. Notre Dame 13.0 13. Penn St. 16.8 14. Loyola 17.2 15. USC 17.8 16. Navy 19.8 17. Stanford 20.0 18. Denver 21.6 19. Duke 22.0 20. Johns Hopkins 22.2 21. Colorado 22.2 22. MASS 23.8 23. Louisville 26.0 Thanks for the leg work. Since you still want to harp on Duke and only focus on their week out of conference schedule, please tell me how Stony Brook is at 4. They have done absolutely nothing and they play a weak schedule every year. Made a revision and added a bit more info... I am no fan of Stony Brook, but their numbers are not as bad as many on this forum state. Over the past five full seasons, they played 42 teams ranked in the top 25 of the IWLCA rankings. They went 27-15 against those teams. That is pretty good, but only 4 of those wins were against top 10 opponents and no one ranked higher than #8. Who they beat does not support a #4 ranking, but their schedule is not weak. As a point of reference, they played 42 top 25 teams and Duke played 51 going 12-39. So Duke played more top 25, more in the top 10 but their results were substantial worse than Stony Brook 12-39 vs. 27-15. I would put Stony Brook more in the #10 range. Not sure why we keep going back to Stony Brook and Duke but here you go. The "Regular Season" schedules for these two teams do not compare at all, Duke consistently plays a much more difficult schedule. I do not like Top 25 would rather use Top 20 as the benchmark because i believe Top 20 to be more accurate (not sure if i am correct). From 2016 - 2021 all seasons. Numbers of Games vs Top 25 Teams 66 - Duke 42 - Stony Brook Dukes Record 24 - 42 vs Top 25 22 - 41 vs Top 20 8 - 28 vs Top 10 2 - 20 vs Top 5 Stony Brooks Record 30 - 12 vs Top 25 19 - 11 vs Top 20 5 - 8 vs Top 10 1 - 3 vs Top 5 No spin, no propaganda those are the numbers. Number of games vs Top 20 63 - Duke 30 - Stony Brook Number of games vs Top 10 36 - Duke 13 - Stony Brook Number of games vs Top 5 22 - Duke 4 - Stony Brook The moral of the story is that Stony Brook has been rewarded for playing a relatively weak regular season schedule compared to just about all traditional Top 10 - 20 teams. Duke on the hand appears to be punished for playing a regular season schedule that is more in line with Traditional Top 20 teams. Not knocking or promoting either team, the numbers are the numbers. 12 of Stony Brooks games were vs teams outside the Top 20, while only 3 of Dukes games were vs teams outside the Top 20. Duke played much more difficult teams and had more Top 20 wins. No comparison in the overall Strength of Schedule. Interested in how you got your data on Duke? I manually compared their schedules form 2016-2021 (excluded 2020) against only final IWLCA rankings, not what a team may have been ranked during the year. Duke was nowhere near 66 games vs. the top 25. Looked it over, 2015 - 2021 Only regular season and Conference Playoffs No NCAA Tournament Games. Rankings are IWLCA Final Season Poll. It is very clear why Duke has lightened the load with their non conference games.
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I will take Bc and UNC vs the field this year. I think BC has gotten better defensively but slightly weaker on offense while UNC has gotten weaker on defense and about the same on offense. Coaching goes to BC. I would take UNC every time against BC but I thought the same thing last year.
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I will take Bc and UNC vs the field this year. I think BC has gotten better defensively but slightly weaker on offense while UNC has gotten weaker on defense and about the same on offense. Coaching goes to BC. I would take UNC every time against BC but I thought the same thing last year. Way to go out on a limb. Ha…
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I will take Bc and UNC vs the field this year. I think BC has gotten better defensively but slightly weaker on offense while UNC has gotten weaker on defense and about the same on offense. Coaching goes to BC. I would take UNC every time against BC but I thought the same thing last year. The even a blind squirrel finds a nut theory. Keep picking UNC it may pan out one of these years.
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I will take Bc and UNC vs the field this year. I think BC has gotten better defensively but slightly weaker on offense while UNC has gotten weaker on defense and about the same on offense. Coaching goes to BC. I would take UNC every time against BC but I thought the same thing last year. The even a blind squirrel finds a nut theory. Keep picking UNC it may pan out one of these years. Over the past 8 and 16 full seasons, UNC has had more success at winning national championships than every D1 school except Maryland and Northwestern. In the last 8 full seasons, they have won 2 (25%). In the last 16 years, only UNC (2), BC (1) and James Madison (1) are schools that have won a national title not named Maryland (5) or Northwestern (7). Since 2013 UNC has made 6 of 8 final fours. Tough not to pick on UNC...
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Virginia up 9-6 on Maryland at the Half, Maryland scores 8 unanswered goals in like 13 minutes in the 3rd Quarter…. I do not recall Virginia coach using a TO… it’s possible that I missed it but C’mon Man… Give the girls a little help.
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Michigan upsets Notre Dame. Virginia Tech upsets JMU. USC upsets Jacksonville. Any other upsets so far?
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Michigan upsets Notre Dame. Virginia Tech upsets JMU. USC upsets Jacksonville. Any other upsets so far? Vanderbilt beat Notre Dame today.
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing.
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Maybe if Duke played any quality opponents they wouldn’t get bashed. I’m sure the upcoming games against East Carolina and Wofford will give them a chance to really pad their stats.
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Michigan upsets Notre Dame. Virginia Tech upsets JMU. USC upsets Jacksonville. Any other upsets so far? Vanderbilt beat Notre Dame today. Vanderbilt over ND is an upset, USC over Jacksonville not so much. Michigan yes. Va Tech yes. ND in trouble early, JMU with no AQ can not afford many more like this. Should be an interesting year.
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Michigan upsets Notre Dame. Virginia Tech upsets JMU. USC upsets Jacksonville. Any other upsets so far? Vanderbilt beat Notre Dame today. Vanderbilt over ND is an upset, USC over Jacksonville not so much. Michigan yes. Va Tech yes. ND in trouble early, JMU with no AQ can not afford many more like this. Should be an interesting year. What is AQ?
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Michigan upsets Notre Dame. Virginia Tech upsets JMU. USC upsets Jacksonville. Any other upsets so far? Vanderbilt beat Notre Dame today. Vanderbilt over ND is an upset, USC over Jacksonville not so much. Michigan yes. Va Tech yes. ND in trouble early, JMU with no AQ can not afford many more like this. Should be an interesting year. What is AQ? Automatic qualifier for winning the conference
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams .
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AQ is generally winner of your conference (I think for conferences with 6 or more teams)
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Michigan upsets Notre Dame. Virginia Tech upsets JMU. USC upsets Jacksonville. Any other upsets so far? Vanderbilt beat Notre Dame today. Vanderbilt over ND is an upset, USC over Jacksonville not so much. Michigan yes. Va Tech yes. ND in trouble early, JMU with no AQ can not afford many more like this. Should be an interesting year. What is AQ? Automatic Qualifying
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There was a lot of bashing of Duke for unsportsmanlike behavior for running up the score. It appears as though it was just an excuse to attack Duke, no other teams being attacked for doing the exact same thing. Those other teams such as BC are also guilty of being unsportsmanlike but there did seem to be some differences . The teams BC have run it up against are not the caliber that Duke is doing it against and it looks to me that the removed their top scorer early when she had scored no more than she normally does against the top 10 teams . Duke has kids padding their stats putting up numbers they have no chance at getting against the best teams . Complete BS.
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The petty nonsense from the CAA and America East could definitely hurt both JMU and Stony Brook. Both have a limited number of chances to pick up quality wins. Unless things change, JMU has opportunities with Rutgers, Virginia, Maryland and Drexel. Stony Brook has opportunities with Florida, Northwestern and Princeton. Depending on where their opponents finish the regular season, both teams may need at least two wins vs the teams listed.
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New rankings. StoneyBrook put up a great fight against Syracuse and Princeton was so strong against UVA. The other Ivies did not open with difficult games. Kudos to Princeton for starting with a challenge and showing up in big style. Northwestern players and a step-up moment playing ASU and Gilbert fouled out. Took them a moment, but the young players got there. https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/coll...gt5NeUZ8IHZVoaH97IrMAsDjnTVNDcpvIvtg3Wac
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SB v SU game was an enjoyable game to watch. They played lax the old fashion way, up and down the field. I don’t the shot clock came into play very often. Also great fast break to slow break goals on both ends. Settled offense maybe 30-35 percent of goals. Overall a pretty clean game-why because the the one ref controlled it right from the start on the very first yellow he gave. Play clean, or your out. And teams did it. (Couple slide up the shoulder yellows but not with intent)
Great job by refs balancing letting them play and stopping it when they needed to.
Wish more games were played like this….
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The petty nonsense from the CAA and America East could definitely hurt both JMU and Stony Brook. Both have a limited number of chances to pick up quality wins. Unless things change, JMU has opportunities with Rutgers, Virginia, Maryland and Drexel. Stony Brook has opportunities with Florida, Northwestern and Princeton. Depending on where their opponents finish the regular season, both teams may need at least two wins vs the teams listed. Ask Stony Brook how they voted when Boston University left the conference in 2013. BU was also banned from post season tournament participation. You reap what you sow.
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The petty nonsense from the CAA and America East could definitely hurt both JMU and Stony Brook. Both have a limited number of chances to pick up quality wins. Unless things change, JMU has opportunities with Rutgers, Virginia, Maryland and Drexel. Stony Brook has opportunities with Florida, Northwestern and Princeton. Depending on where their opponents finish the regular season, both teams may need at least two wins vs the teams listed. Ask Stony Brook how they voted when Boston University left the conference in 2013. BU was also banned from post season tournament participation. You reap what you sow. Very good point.
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New rankings. StoneyBrook put up a great fight against Syracuse and Princeton was so strong against UVA. The other Ivies did not open with difficult games. Kudos to Princeton for starting with a challenge and showing up in big style. Northwestern players and a step-up moment playing ASU and Gilbert fouled out. Took them a moment, but the young players got there. https://www.usalaxmagazine.com/coll...gt5NeUZ8IHZVoaH97IrMAsDjnTVNDcpvIvtg3WacSyracuse not going to the Final Four, Borderline Top 10. Struggled with both Stanford and Stony Brook. SBU Goalkeeper kept Stony Brook in the game, she is excellent.
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