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Chuckle.

More boys are leaving Spalding and heading to other schools and different clubs. The toxic culture at Splading and club is exhausting. Spalding created this toxic environment, even with new staff it’s just going to get worse.

Its all about goal diff not wins and losses.

There he is again. Still moaning after all these years, OK, I have attempted to say this in a nice way before, Your son didnt get the invite to go with the other boys to Spalding due to his ability. Nothing more. MDLax had nothing to do with it nor the coaches, it was all on your son and his lack of ability. Time to move on. I am sure your son has.

The Hawks just dont seem like the Hawks of a few years ago, Teams are struggling .

Which is a terrible way to rank these teams.

If you switch from goal diff to just W/L you'll have people saying "that is a terrible way to rank these teams".

What way do you suggest? I find it to be pretty on target. Only issues I see is if a team has a lot less games, and haven't played good teams, they can be rated too high, but typically after summer, it all evens out.

They need to replace their parent coaches. They will continue to struggle until they do. The better players will continue to leave for teams where a dad isn't in charge.

Isn't parent coaches par for the course?

Hogan has allowed parents to coach but then once the team get to high school age he typically replaces them with a coach that has coached at the high school/college level. This has not been the case since he sold to 3D and why his product has been diluted.

The corporate acquisition for youth sports has typically included strict limits on payment for coaches, that's why you're seeing this. Why would Coach X show up for 9th grade Hawks when Kyle Harrison will pay him 3X as much to coach at Clippers, with slightly lower expectations and slightly less bonkers parents?

I could be wrong here, but 30 miles north, the reason Breakers (who had a decent run in the early 2000s) officially folded this summer wasn't (just) the wildly inconsistent product since 2018ish, but 3Step's acquisition in 2020 meant a very low ceiling on Breakers coach pay and resources (fields, indoor space in winter, etc). Given the coaches disappearing, kind of like, like Zingoes and True (who pay better than 3Step), Breakers parents generally did not play lacrosse in their day, and there weren't enough dad coaches to keep the club afloat. A club like Hawks has that Dad-Infrastructure to lean on....but it generally is not going to produce excellence.

True is falling apart is this area. Breakers, Zingos and Clippers are glorified rec programs.

Zingos doesn't have one team (HS or youth) ranked in the top 50. But hey Z4L suites those low aspiration parents.

What is going on with the Hawks 32 team. Heard there was a total implosion with the age rules and other clubs swooped in and poached some good players. Anyone with some insight?

Daddy ball and daddy’s kid playing 100% of the time, especially when daddy’s son is mediocre at best and other players have to adjust to daddy’s son. At the high school level there should be zero dads coaching. Ask the boys and boys parents on the 25 team they have a lot of opinions about daddy coach and son.

Talk about a low blow. Breakers,Zingos and Clippers mentioned on Hawks page.

Multiple Hawks teams have imploded. 2030s have only like 14-15 players. 2031s have already gone through a HC. Hogans legacy is crumbling. Nobody could do it like him for that org.

Thank you for your service, Captain Obvious. The point was that the "big lax" corporate model doesn't do a good job of attracting or retaining coaching talent.

I think the pp was simply a saying you should compare Hawks to breakers and zingos. It might be too early to use clippers as an example as they haven’t even played a game yet.

I have a 2026 and a 2028 son and both their teams beat the Hawks this summer, but when they tried to brag about it to the other, in both cases one brother said to the other "BFD, everyone knows the Hawks aren't any good anymore."

28 Hawks are the best team in the country I believe- so your funny story doesn't add up.

The 28 team lost a bunch of players. That doesnt add up to a best team. Lucky to be in top 5 of MD this year. Now that you can add up. Sorry Coach.

They must be talking about the black team.

Hawks rule, others drool.
Sorry, we are the best and are here to stay.
Have fun playing for second from here on out. Hawwwwks up!!

Finished your summer reading and are bored now, are ya?

These are not Hawks parents. Lolz at beating the Hawks B teams and thinking they weren't good anymore.

28 Hawks regardless of holdbacks is the best “team” in the country.

What's going on with the 32s? Will they have a team this year?

And a pipeline to UMBC

In the grand scheme of life you're worried about 4-5tyh grade lacrosse. Get a life

I mean, you could do a lot worse than UMBC.

Stop yourself or the decline will get more painful. Does the best team in the country only win one tournament all summer which happens to be a glorified B tournament with no other big dogs or nationals?

Does the best team in the country lose to Freedom, FCA and a pickup team the last time they played each? Does it lose to 91 under ANY circumstance?

28 Hawks are good, not the best team in the country though.

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. They won the toughest league, and the 2/3 of the toughest tourneys in the country. You sound so dense. And jealous.

They won:

HOCO, best league in the country

NAL (smashing two Top 10 teams in the playoffs)

And the NLF National Championships

34-5. All 5 losses by 1 goal.

Beat 6 out of the top 10 final
Ranked teams.

Only team ranked above them is the Red Hots with a 50 man national roster with HAWKS players on them.

FCA and Freedom both good teams. The Naptowne loss was a bad loss, but who cares. They are kids.

The other two loses were meaningless fall
Tourneys where they didn't play their starters.

You're uninformed and your BOTC rights should be revoked.

The daddy ball coaches is tied in with several other daddy ball Hawks teams and several different sports. It’s great to watch all the dads be buddy buddy, then talk bad behind each others back. I would love to hear the conversations they have with each other justifying their sons playing time. But didn’t they go undefeated?

Hawks 28 - good team but your arrogance is starting to sound like MadLax last year. We all know how that went.

AA Co is a mess in this age group.
Kids defecting heading slightly north.
Gonna need to retool this one before the spring.

What team is slightly north? Aren't the next north teams all the BMore teams FCA, Crabs...?

Or is ProStart slightly north?

To be fair, at least in one fall tourney, some of their starters/holdbacks were def there and rarely came off the field including at key positions. However it was a very short roster backfiilled with Richmond Hawks kids....luckily not the double holdback on the 2027 RIC team. That kids a machine. Parents had him at Summer camps playing against 2028s though, which was weird.

Stop trolling dude. The guy just laid out the facts. Hawks are at the top, but there are 4-5 teams right on their heels and it’s anyone’s title to take next year. Let’s see how it goes.