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GHCLC Spectators


The Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference (GHCLC) would like to remind all spectators to reinforce positive values through the sport of lacrosse. The first half of the season has witnessed some unacceptable behavior from spectators. This behavior is starting to leak on to the field and affect the kids ability to play, the coaches ability to coach, and the officials ability to officiate games properly in a safe environment.


On behalf of the GHCLC, I ask that all spectators refrain from any foul language, harassment of player/coach/officials and reinforce positivity as a spectator. Furthermore, spectators are NOT permitted to sit, stand or otherwise be behind player bench side. All spectators must be on the opposite side of player benches. Violation of outlined requirements could result in game forfeitures and suspensions.


As stated in the GHCLC Bylaws (https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules), spectators who are ejected from games will serve a one (1) game suspension (not including the game which he/she was ejected). The ejection will be submitted to the League Commissioner for review. Those involved could face harsher penalties (forfeits, multigame game suspensions, etc) should the Commissioner and Rule’s Committee deem necessary.


Thank you for your compliance,

Ricky DuBois

League Commissioner

Dear HOCO League Commissioner,

Here is what your customers (the parents who pay the club dues that pay for the HOCO league fees) would like from you:

Referees:

Who are fit enough to move up and down the field, put themselves in position to make calls, and actually see the game as more than a uniformed spectator who stands and watches.

Who understand the rules of lacrosse, and fairly apply said rules.

Who keep the safety of players as their primary concern.


We (the customers) would like you to get rid of:

Physically unqualified referees (those who cannot or will not move up and down the field with the players).

Referees who clearly do not know and/or understand the rules of the game.

Referees who penalize teams by unfair application of their power, for example: ignoring infractions, capricious penalty calls, ignoring a coach’s request for explanation of a call, ignoring a team’s time out request when legally entitled to one.

Referees who clearly see a player get slashed, cross-checked, or speared with an intentional helmet-to-helmet hit and ignore the infraction.


Anyone other than the most casual observer of youth sports sees the problem with fans vocally criticizing referees. Perhaps some time spent thinking about why this behavior is on the rise would lead one to consider that poor officiating (see above) is one possible root cause that ought to be considered.

Thank you.


A concerned parent

If you want NCAA level officials you need to pony up more money. You are getting youth and high school refs that are "learning" . Just like these boys are still learning how to play lacrosse. Many refs have quit and they cant get enough people to do the job. Wonder why? Parents who act like lunatics and scream and complain all the time. I'msure they would love to have to wear the stripes. Sign up sounds like you know it all

This is an excellent post. The referee’s are terrible in HoCo. One had to be removed because he stunk of alcohol. The commissioner needs to worry more about the quality of refereeing. If the commissioner is still the same one it will never change. He himself referees and doesn’t know the rules. Is there still the weasel ref with the lisp still being allowed to ref. He walks in the field with an attitude that most always ends in ridiculous penalties for no reason other then he’s not a nice human.

HoCo takes in $2200 per team for the eight-week season. Just looking at the 2026 age group, there are 47 teams playing this year. That's $103,400 for just one age group. There are six more.

That breaks down to $275 per team, per game, or $550 per game gross income. Let's say the referees make $75 per game (that is a ballpark estimate, it is roughly what MIAA refs get paid per game). That's $400 left over. Not sure what field rental costs are allocated from that amount, but it ain't much since HoCO Rec owns the real estate.

I think there is enough money to pay for better refs.

Shouldn't we expect better quality officiating? Don't the athletes deserve it?

100%. Today I saw two refs responding to fans. I mean, if you’re a good ref, you don’t even listen to that garbage from the bleachers. Call the game. If you’re really that sensitive, you likely didn’t play a sport — certainly not at a high level— and this is your big opportunity to have an impact. BAD scenario.

Maybe better employees to run the game clock and shot clock. The guy running that on Sunday was a joke.

Guys. Get a grip. It’s middle school lacrosse. You thinking your kids deserve better refs is everything that’s wrong with parenting. They’re going to make bad calls. It’s part of sports. So crazy. Yes, your 5th grader deserves college level refs. 🤦‍♂️Wake up.

You all need to wake up to the reality of the situation. It’s not just lacrosse, the same email has been sent to parents of all youth sports. No amount of money will entice people to put up with the nonsense from all of the entitled parents who are screaming at them over a youth sports game. Here’s an idea, recognize that the refs are generally retired and doing this for some extra cash. They are human beings. If they miss a call of two relax, it won’t make a difference to the future D1 scholarships you have dancing in your heads.

I personally don’t understand why referees don’t give out more penalties to benches for parent behavior. If the officials did more of that, I guarantee you it will shut the parents up. Officials need to start penalizing benches for parent behavior. Watch how quickly things change.

There was no one monitoring the Troy Park parking lot to keep people from sitting behind the players and coaches. They paid a kid on Saturday to run the scoreboard and clock. He was watching a movie on his phone with ear buds in the whole time

HOCO parents have always been obnoxious at every level. I'm surprised and ref shows up to their games.

Folks thisnis SPORTS. Not a CRT classroom. I’m sports, particularly when Refs insert themselves into the outcome of the game, fans are vocal on plays. I don’t agree with fans / parents being stunads, but come on….

If you all can't tolerate the HoCo refs, enjoy your summer tournament season! They hand out a whistle and a one page rule sheet, tell you where to get lunch and where to get paid at the end of the day.

Perfect, the HoCo refs can head back to Foot Locker and enjoy the AC.

The hoco refs are generally new refs. Many haven’t learned that they shouldn’t be big part of the game. The best refs communicate with coaches and explain the call and are
Accountable.
“It looked up high to me, Coach.”
“I didn’t see that coach, I’ll look for it.”
The problem is when they blow critical calls and effect the outcome of the game. Then they will compound the issue by doubling down with no explanation or communication and give a bench penalty or throw out a coach who asks for an explanation. Asking for an explanation from a coach or hearing that your call stinks from the fans is part of being a ref. Blow the whistle, communicate, be accountable, and move on. Getting your ego hurt and taking it out on a team because someone questioned your call is bad refereeing.

I would love to see a nationwide strike by lacrosse referees for one weekend in the spring or summer. You all would sing a different tune.

Ok now THAT is funny stuff.

Good post!

Refs should be non-biased in making calls…they unfortunately are becoming hing points in games and making calls of retaliation against teams (not every one of them but it’s happening). That’s not their role. Coaches and refs should have a line of communication…this will get hot from time to time and that can be sorted out between teams and refs. Unfortunately, some parents (who probably don’t have a great handle on the game in general terms) get emotional and can be gasoline on a fire making things way worse and ruin it for everyone. The spectators have no line of communication with the refs, nor should they. Watch and learn the game, cheer your kids on positively, stop yelling at the refs, and let the coaches and refs sort out the issues.

Yeah, that's the solution to poor officiating. Tell the refs to go on strike and don't come back until the people who pay them are willing to accept mediocre performance.

That's show 'em!

Yes, it would show them, because it would make them choose between playing games with inconsistent, mediocre officiating, or not playing at all. Which would you prefer smart guy?

Let me help you out "smart guy" - it was satire. The previous post advocated having the refs go out on strike. I was making a joke.

If you think HoCo parents are obnoxious, wait 'til you get a load of the TX, GA and FL parents who have no concept of the basic rules of the game and just like being loud because their son Billy Bob Jr is the biggest kid on the field, who specializes in cross checks to the neck.

But your point stands. Only seen one openly drunk and belligerent parent at a HoCo game so far this year. Nothing like being too drunk to drive and starting fights at youth lax at 100pm on a Sunday.

Same could be said for Zingos parents. Absolute worst. Solo cups get tippin' at 8 am.

The refs are the refs. I don’t expect them to get all the subjective calls right - it’s a hard job.

But the general unawareness of the rule book by the refs is silly. Like it’s not that long of a rule sheet to learn guys.

That said the clock operation has been a low point. Multiple fields, multiple weeks plagued with sleepy teenagers asleep at the wheel.

Better yet, hold them back a year , We need holdbacks at the ref level, it works for youth lacrosse, why not refs?

Agreed, and the league is a huge cash cow for HoCo Parks and Rec. Crappy time keeping, refs who don't know the rules.

Maybe spend some of that over half a million in annual league revenue on some refs and timekeepers who care enough to prepare and pay attention.

Yup. Once a ref starts engaging with hostile fans/parents, he's already lost.

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Best youth league in the country and the best refs in the country. Refs are not perfect, either are coaches and players. All you dimwits that that think reffing is so easy ask for my info and you can join us. Instead of being that “dad” who thinks he knows the rules but actually doesn’t it would be good for you. Also the money is great .

Refs don’t need to engage with parents to do that.

Hit the team with the penalty. If the coaches don’t like the penalty, they can address it.

+100

None of these venom spewers would last a minute as a ref.

It really is good money. You’re not gonna find a better hourly rate for a part-time, side-hustle. Double bonus if you live in HoCo or near any of the big facilities that hosts tournaments during the summer.

Was at a game last weekend at Troy Park. A 2031 championship game. 10 seconds into the first quarter, a dad starts yelling at the ref. Ref blew the whistle, turned to the stands and announced the next person to yell at the officials will be ejected. Never heard a peep other than cheering for the rest of the game, which was won by 1 goal so there was plenty of opportunity for parents to be yelling. Keep it up refs! Keep calling out the parents! It’s working. They are shutting up.

Awesome. Glad to her it.
Most refs understand that the coaches will get heated and it's not personal. That can usually be solved with some communication. But the blatant abuse and questioning of the refs by fans is unecessary.
Ref needs to warn the stands, then toss the offending parent. If it continues, penalize the affiliated team.

The tall guy who ref’ed the 28 elite championship should not be allowed on the field anymore. He was the most belligerent, combative and disrespectful official I’ve ever seen.

Most ref’s are fine overall. It’s youth lacrosse. But this guy is in a league of his own.

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I am not sure how they are going to prove what team the parent is on. In this case I will go to the teams I don't like and act like an butt on the sidelines so said team gets penalties. Doesn't sound like a good rule.