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So how many kids on the team were on the 27s last year?

Where did most of the displaced on-age 28 Hawks go? Sounds like True may have gotten a few.

1. The year before 3, don’t know before that.

BTW, the thing about bonafide starters in just wrong, the entire attack played on 27.

The goalie and BMac are older but I think those are the only two

1 this year? Sure pal lol.

There’s a board for holdback talk.

Everyone should have started practicing by now. Or soon anyway. Hopefully this will give folks something else to talk about other than how old certain teams are.

They are older than others. I get it. We all know. Can we move on?

Let me get my math straight, so bear with me because I went to public schools. So there were 3 previous 27s + 4 new 27s (for this season) = 7 former 27 Hawks on Hawks28 that we know about? I remember an earlier commenter said there were more players from other clubs too? We need some more color on that, please.

A fair assessment given the entire roster would be ~1/3ish+ of the entire team and most of the starting line are holdbacks? Wow. Not sure a single Hawker can complain about another club being "old" again. This is a straight up comedy act.

It's funny that you asked for help with your math, Cabell. Three came before 5th grade and 1 this summer. That's 3 + 1, which = 4. Wow. They grabbed another kid from rec ball and a couple from the B team.

Does that help?

Same thing that happens at every top club. Solid-above average players but mommy and daddy wanted them to be stars. The answer is to hold back. Who cares. Better comp for the kids.

Why does it matter? Are you going to use it as an excuse?

And yes, my kid is on age.

The debate is almost as lame as holding back itself.

Heck I can settle it for all of you… holdback parents should admit that their kid isn’t good enough to play on age and people complaining about it should admit that the rules aren’t changing.

Let’s move on!

Are you saying there are only 4 kids on the team born before 9/1/2009?

Is Bored MD Dad still around?

Some new rankings is probably the only thing to break up this Hawks/Madlax “who has the oldest kids” boredom. They are the two best teams in the area. They are also the oldest. YAWN. That’s how lacrosse goes. It only gets worse as they get older.

Any rumors on where teams are in HoCo? KP move up? Blue Claws? Where is 91? Or Preds or Freaking LTLC for that matter.

Something? Anything?

Correct ,,,, Most just repeat the grade they are in. Or Just tell everyone you are doing a PG year later and playdown a year. Both are considered viable options on your journey to get the sacred D1 scholly.

It is going to be the big topic for next few years, 6th thru 8 are the wonderful holdback years.

So the Hawks can't compete with nearly their entire first line being holdbacks. Just using the logic above, got it. BTW, it was obvious they couldn't compete summer onward anyway so maybe they can go from 7 ish (including rec ball and B teamers....nice dodge btw) to a full team of holdbacks. Maybe they will win.

How can you “say you did”?

So you’re saying there are players who are in 7th, but say they are in 6th?

That’s a new low.

Many of the box tournaments I’ve seen are aged based. So that’s out there for folks interested just FYI.

NL has some kids who could qualify as 29's and one who is.

It is not new.

Yes, Hawks are all holdbacks. Some of them are 14 with driver's licenses. I saw a kid pushing a stroller. This one dude is 7 ft tall. One kid has a BALCO tattoo on his forehead. That's why they win. None of them are athletic or work hard. What a joke this team of 6th graders has become!!!!!

I have 2 kids in club lax. Have never heard of this. Is that Hawks or MadLax?

NL kid is a holdback 29 playing up. Stop. At least be honest about it. -BLC daf

Until you get to college no one is checking with schools. Both do it. MadLax has even more private school kids I believe which often do a pre-1st grade.

What's a "holdback playing up"? If you're a 2028 grad year, but you're held back, you're now a 2029 grad year, but if after you're held back you're then "playing up", you're playing as a...2028? Is that a thing?

Some folks say a kid whose born before 9/1/2009 whose in the 6th grade that plays 2027s is “playing up.”

This is technically true but what’s also true is the kid is playing on age as a 27. When moving down to 28 they are on grade but not on age.


You see it a lot with summer birthday 2009 kids.


Whatever you want to call it it’s playing down.
It is also not worth discussion because it’s the way it is and won’t change anytime soon. And even if it does this group of kids will be long since graduated.


* I realize the irony of my typing this post only to end by saying it’s not worth discussion. That’s BOTC for you.

Aaah, the old, "I'm a 28" when it's convenient."

Like to dominate as a '29 and "challenge themselves"...on age as a '28.

AKA: Athletically deficient.

Oh this is rich! This is like the holy grail of parental bragging. But junior is playing up, he is so good!

Inside they know that playing with their own age or actually playing up is better for them. When it actually matters they want to play down.

The problem here is that if you’re actually in 7th but playing in 6th you are breaking the rules.

That’s beyond just being weak and holding back. That shouldn’t happen ever.

Guys. I've never seen this happen in 9 years of driving kids to club lacrosse. There's a rumor that express north did this last summer in the 26 division at NLF, but it's just that...a rumor. This is classic gaslighting gentlemen. Move on.

Canadians have been doing it for years, They play down a grade due to expecting a PG year. Where you been... It was a result of all the playing down holdbacks that they were playing against

NOT a rumor, admitted by parents on this board a few days ago. The 2028 Express North team brought 2027 kids down to play in the 2028 division at NAL in November. Their excuse? “Yeah, but while they’re in 7th grade, there the same age as a lot of the kids playing in the 2028 division.” ABSURD

It’s true. But the Express north guys gave the refs IOU’s that those kids were going to be holding back in the near future. Whatever It takes

I guess in all your years you didn't hear about how almost an entire Madlax team was playing in the class division below. The opposing team protested in the playoffs where the first 3 kids asked by the refs told them their actual grade. The Madlax coach and ML parents blew a gasket because they had been doing it all year and thought it was okay.

I thought they were saying it about a Hawks player or maybe a MadLax player. Couldn’t really tell.

Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.

Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.[quote][/quote]

Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

I’ve never seen a team try it in HoCO (play above grade kids with younger grades).

I’ve heard Madlax pulled some shenanigans a while ago but I don’t know the particulars or if it’s even true.

I also heard something. I don't know if it's true, but I'm going to stir the pot and disparage the target of the thing I heard (or misheard) by posting it on here.