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That comment is just not true anymore. Players from the privates have played for other clubs such as Team LI,Jesters and fl$, Be the Best not all Express. 91 is new at the HS age level so you will see more there now as the current 2017 and 2018 get older.This has been more common in the most recent years. The more programs that pop up the more the talent pool is getting diluted. So only one or two top talent teams in each organization, the players that don't make those rosters will always be looking for other options.
The face of these organizations is changing, as coaches are leaving and more players are looking for the best new team. No loyalty on either side and the land of options and choices is increasing. More Dads with the money available are buying new options for their kids and friends and you will see an increase in start up teams and facilities,camps trainers while we all chase that D1 coach to grab our kid!!

I agree with that statement. Now that Channy is leaving St. Ants, he cant intimidate kids and parents into sending their kids to St. Ants for fear of getting cut from the Express.

I agree with that statement. Now that Channy is leaving St. Ants, he cant intimidate kids and parents into sending their kids to St. Ants for fear of getting cut from the Express.

I agree with that statement. Now that Channy is leaving St. Ants, he cant intimidate kids and parents into sending their kids to St. Ants for fear of getting cut from the Express.

I heard the turtles will face some "far from strong" teams in pool play down in Fla right now at u15 championship. I guess it helps when the head coach company is sponsoring the WHOLE tournament! lol

Before you start a tirade on the Turtles, some of the early pool play competition has been weak.

In the girls competition, just short of 60% of the pool play games were decided by 10 goals or more.

So far on the boys side, 7 matches from 12 have been decided by nine goals or more.

Unfortunately, the matches that figure to be tight on paper usually take place from the final eight teams starting tomorrow afternoon.

This post is a perfect example of the educational background of most of the LI parents on this forum.

My, how improper. You folks seem so pleasant when we are down by you. So does this mean that your blonde-haired, blue-eyed, hospitable manner boasted is really a charade? The frequency of older than typical players on these Md teams is astonishing. US Lacrosse, PLEASE institute SOME sort of roster management. Taking a tourney at a given graduation year, with players whom will be 19-20 yrs of age is just sleazy. I'd rather use marginal grammar. And oh, yes, your husbands are dweebs.

Here is my final post on out of state kids and age. Primarily reffering to MD and
PA private school kids. My friend's son is rising sophomore at well known prep school near Philly which plays in that very well known highly recruited league down there. I will not name the school nor the kids. His son is age appropriate for his grade. I asked him what the deal was with holding kids back? He says it is an epidemic. Just this weekend he met the father of an incoming freshman to his son's school. This young man turned 15 in December of 2012. He will be 16 on the first day of Lacrosse as a freshman. He will be 19 and a half when he graduates. If he goes to Jake Reed next summer as a rising sophomore he will be competing against 14 year olds. If he has any ability, do we think he might standout? He also plays on a well known travel team at the 2017 level. Because thats the year he graduates. Now imagine this scenario playing out over and over. Sorry fellow Long Islanders we are be played.....

Here is my final post on out of state kids and age. Primarily reffering to MD and
PA private school kids. My friend's son is rising sophomore at well known prep school near Philly which plays in that very well known highly recruited league down there. I will not name the school nor the kids. His son is age appropriate for his grade. I asked him what the deal was with holding kids back? He says it is an epidemic. Just this weekend he met the father of an incoming freshman to his son's school. This young man turned 15 in December of 2012. He will be 16 on the first day of Lacrosse as a freshman. He will be 19 and a half when he graduates. If he goes to Jake Reed next summer as a rising sophomore he will be competing against 14 year olds. If he has any ability, do we think he might standout? He also plays on a well known travel team at the 2017 level. Because thats the year he graduates. Now imagine this scenario playing out over and over. Sorry fellow Long Islanders we are be played.....

Just curious.How does one "hold his child back" Do you tell his teacher the child is immature? Do you force the child to fail his tests? How is done?

Just gone done watching the tapes of the Jake Reed Rising Freshman. The best players were very physical athletes and yes I am sure more than a few were held back. A few good stick skill guys were able to succeed but the run of the middle solid kid who finished 8th grade was simply not able to compete. I think what you will see is kids start to fan out into the two distinct groups a bit earlier than in previous year, that is one on a D-1 track and others on a D-3 track. The good news about this, is the parents won't be less held hostage by college camps and clubs. My advice is get an independent third party to give you a realistic evaluation of your son. After this event it became clear to me that my son will likely be better served going down a track that focuses on the NESCAC schools. He simply is not going to have the size or speed to play at the D-1 level and his stick skills while good are not great. Not everyone can play for Duke and schools like Middlebury etc are very attractive institutions.

Just got back from a D3 school lax camp. They had a coach from a big time prep school there who gave about an hour speech on the benefits of holding your kid back and/or doing a PG year. He was basically saying if you don't do it you're doing your child a disservice. So that's the wave of the future.....

There you have it, example after example. Is there anyone now out there who actually believes the age "thing" is not a real issue with real consequences??!!!

What kids are being hurt the kids on age or the kids being told by their parents they are not good enough to compete among kids their own age. The difference between a 14 yo and 15 yo physically and maturation wise is dramatic but not as dramatic with a 18 and 19 yo. The kids who were never moved up are less prone to injury while the kids s held back are used to being the bigger and stronger kids will not be able to handle the strength and pressure of being the younger kids when in Hs and college. Look at college and I bet more star players were never held back. Just read outliers to see the holding back concept fails as the kids are all matured. "You can always play up but never play down". I have no problem letting my kid playing with older kids. It will only make him stronger

What kids are being hurt the kids on age or the kids being told by their parents they are not good enough to compete among kids their own age. The difference between a 14 yo and 15 yo physically and maturation wise is dramatic but not as dramatic with a 18 and 19 yo. The kids who were never moved up are less prone to injury while the kids s held back are used to being the bigger and stronger kids will not be able to handle the strength and pressure of being the younger kids when in Hs and college. Look at college and I bet more star players were never held back. Just read outliers to see the holding back concept fails as the kids are all matured. "You can always play up but never play down". I have no problem letting my kid playing with older kids. It will only make him stronger

What kids are being hurt the kids on age or the kids being told by their parents they are not good enough to compete among kids their own age. The difference between a 14 yo and 15 yo physically and maturation wise is dramatic but not as dramatic with a 18 and 19 yo. The kids who were never moved up are less prone to injury while the kids s held back are used to being the bigger and stronger kids will not be able to handle the strength and pressure of being the younger kids when in Hs and college. Look at college and I bet more star players were never held back. Just read outliers to see the holding back concept fails as the kids are all matured. "You can always play up but never play down". I have no problem letting my kid playing with older kids. It will only make him stronger

I agree with that statement. Now that Channy is leaving St. Ants, he cant intimidate kids and parents into sending their kids to St. Ants for fear of getting cut from the Express.

Uhm, I hate to tell you this, but that was a stupid rumor that some kids were joking about that dumb parents ran with. Check you back in a few weeks to tell you 'I told you so!'

The only way around this for NY kids is to PG after high school or leave HS early for a prohibitively expensive (for most of us) private boarding school and "reclassify". Or just not worry about it and let your kids follow any path that presents itself in the current structure.

Two ways. This was the plan early on when they waited until the boy was 6 1/2 before entering K. Then there's the private school or prep school way which has become very popular in certain corners, i.e. MD and PA. The kids go to public school until 8th grade. They then stay in public school for one more year for 9th grade. Now they decide, they want to go to one these prep schools. They then enter as a 9th grader. Repeating the 9th grade. Hence now you have a 2017 that in our world should be a 2016. But, 2017 is his grad year... There you have it, hold backs and grade repeaters.
Now with scenario above, it would be like taking a typical LI rising senior, and playing him down in a rising sophomore bracket. Think about the average good player you know next door, then give him that kind of age advantage. Suddenly that kids a superstar. At a recruiting camp he's a top player. Now take 6 or 7 of these kids and put them on team. Think that team has an advantage? Everything needs to go age based, birth certificate based. When that happens, this whole discussion goes away. Unfortunately, too many people invested in the status quo. The clubs that cheat, parents looking to game the system, private schools who want the money and lax championships, and the college coaches who love physically mature 19 1/2 yo freshmen.

What kids are being hurt the kids on age or the kids being told by their parents they are not good enough to compete among kids their own age. The difference between a 14 yo and 15 yo physically and maturation wise is dramatic but not as dramatic with a 18 and 19 yo. The kids who were never moved up are less prone to injury while the kids s held back are used to being the bigger and stronger kids will not be able to handle the strength and pressure of being the younger kids when in Hs and college. Look at college and I bet more star players were never held back. Just read outliers to see the holding back concept fails as the kids are all matured. "You can always play up but never play down". I have no problem letting my kid playing with older kids. It will only make him stronger

There you have it, example after example. Is there anyone now out there who actually believes the age "thing" is not a real issue with real consequences??!!! Total BS scam that is really hurting the LI lax kid. Does anyone really think that all of sudden our top team's just get caught up to? No, once and for all, our kids at the 8th grade level and up start to play these club teams from out of state, loaded with prep school kids, 1 to 2 years older. That's how they get a 16 yo on 2017 and 2016 teams. Because they go by grad year and not age. My neighbors kid is a 2014 rising senior and just turned 17 in June. Some kids on his team this summer are still 16... can you imagine how good those kids would look playing 2016 ball???
Just insanity...

Mean thing to say about kids, you should see a DOCTOR for your angry issue and your delouisional issue, oh wait...

LOL. Do you really have nothing better to do than obsess over a handful of kids who may repeat a grade? Tell your son to hit the wall, and stop crying like a baby.

Classic response from a parent of a kid who's taught his son the only way he can be successful is by cheating the other kids and playing down. Excellent life lesson there super Dad. Can't wait to see how ur kid does when he gets to college and actually has to face competition his own age and older.... You wont be able to shelter him anymore, then we'll see who's crying like a baby... "Daddy those juniors and seniors are bigger stronger and faster and older than me, I can't compete boo hoo" But you'll be there to tell em " hit the wall champ". You loser... Now go LOL yourself!! And go get your shine box while you're at it...

Settle down, Francis.

My son is not "older" for his grade, but if his teams face one with a kid or kids who are older, I couldn't care less. I want him to have fun and get better. If he can play college lacrosse, that's great. But our focus is getting into the best college possible; lacrosse is a bonus.

God, you guys take yourselves way too seriously. The dads on this forum are the Don Quixote's of lacrosse.

Awesome literary reference.... You so cultured and educated, what an absolute tool.