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You mean Seaford.

WHO CARES?? They still lost. Bring in Paul Rabil...it doesnt matter...

Exactly. No rule in these tourneys where somebody lives in order to play on a team. It’s called building a roster that gives you the best chance to win. Because it is about winning, above everything else. I have no criticism of it, as long as the coaches are transparent with the families by letting them know.

If you are bringing in college kids to play....well then you have a legit gripe...But bringing in an on-age kid? C'mon man. Instead of complaining about it on this board go complain to the coaches/directors to hold more practices, recruit better players and improve and develop their kids. Lax is a team game. One kid cant do it all for your team: Just ask FlurryGloo or any other of these 1 trick pony teams...

Most of the teams that are not from Long Island have much older kids on the team. Lacrosse is based on grad year so if there's a 16 year old kid graduating in 2025 then it's within the rules. Until youth lacrosse cleans up their act like other sports, this will be the result. Birth year is the easiest way, get valid birth certificates, submit rosters, etc. It's not that difficult. Every other sport is run this way.

This age thing is getting ridiculous! If kid doesn’t holdback , it seems he won’t be playing D1 lacrosse! Sad… come on lacrosse, fix this issue. Go “on age”! It used to be one year, now you are seeing 2 and 3 year holdbacks by the time they reach Junior year of HS!

I totally agree that club and youth lacrosse should adopt age verification standards, although it won't change anything at the college level. Coaches will insist the kids do post grad hs and/or continue to reclass. The transfer portal has forever changed the way college coaches and recruiters put together rosters. It's only going to get worse. Sadly, hs freshman and sophs are wasting their time doing recruiting events and showcases.

Totally agree with last couple of statements. It's really putting kids from Long Island at a disadvantage. We've all played against teams from other regions that have high school freshman that look like men already. If a LI kid has a desire to play college ball, he's going to be at a disadvantage because the college coach will obviously prefer the "man" who is less skilled over the "boy" who is a more talented player. And it is 100% true that other sports do a better job policing this issue. Hockey and Soccer have very stringent rules and actually penalize parties that obstruct or break these rules. Overall Lacrosse is lacking this structure and if it doesn't change really soon it's going to be too late for high school aged kids.

This is something that the Long Island organizations should push for as a whole. Long term they will suffer from it more than individual players. As the sport grows nationally you will see more college recruits from other states. There will be less and less LI parents willing to fork over thousands of dollars per year if the chance of playing in college diminishes over time. The banter between clubs and teams is fun but this is something way more important that people should be focused on. If not for the chance of playing in college, at least as a safety issue. This forum is 2025, imagine what your child would do if he was playing with a 2027 team. Is it fair that other teams have that advantage?

No credit is given to a team with 16 yr old freshmen, a FOGO on HGH and a coach with suspect behavior. They can't touch what 91 Crush developed with HOME GROWN, ON AGE players. No credit given to cheaters.

Not impressed with any team that has holdbacks or from a state where kids start school later. If a 16 year old is dominating 13 and 14 year olds, it’s not anything special. That’s what you would expect.

The HGH holdback is the craziest thing I have ever seen and a whole new twist. Forget figuring out age based where does everyone land on doping?

I do like when Ty Xanders releases his 5 stars every year he includes the birth date. We here on LI have holdbacks as well.

It's already too late for the HS kids. They're now party of the recruiting circus and nobody cares about how old they are, in fact recruiters would prefer they were older. I do agree that US Lacrosse especially LI club owners demand an on age policy. Not sure it will work since a few of the LI owners have franchised to other states. It's going to take a serious injury and lawsuit to change their minds

US Lacrosse doesn’t want to change the rules. The way it is now benefits their elite clientele! They Have the $s to hold their kids back and get them a few extra years to get better and get an advantage to get into that top name colleges! Because , even with their $s the kid may not have had a chance at those schools without lacrosse. It’s happening more and more and the “on age” kids with middle class $s are at a total disadvantage. Forget lower income kids! It cracks me up when US Lacrosse says it’s trying to make lacrosse an opportunity for all! Lol. It’s only getting more elitist by the day!!! Need new leadership in this sport. It’s out of hand.

Agree that we have holdbacks on LI too. Usually they are smaller, weaker players who can't hang with their own age group, saw it with S2S coach. Out of state it seems to be more prevalent. It's definitely something that needs to be addressed. I know most sports are age based, obviously wrestling is based on size, is lacrosse the only sport that is grad year? I can't think of another?

Not everyone is necessarily a holdback by grad year. School ages differ by each state sometimes even by district within the same state (NYC vs LI). It's easy enough for a lacrosse governing body to level the field by using an age based model. It's mind boggling they have not done so.

I disagree with the smaller weaker player comment. Just look at the 2022 and 2023 classes. The Number 1 2022 recruit is from LI He would of been the number 1 recruit in the 21 class. LI has their fair share of holdbacks, The more common trend on the island are kids commiting in their year, then doing a PG year. This is all discussed during the recruiting process with the school they commit to. I believe you see even more of this in the coming years.

The Top 2022 IS a 2021. He is a holdback. 6-3-02

And the top 2021 was also a holdback. Funny how people on this board complain about other states with holdbacks yet the top recruit in the nation in 2021 and 2022 are Long Island holdback! Classic.

That would make him a 2020

WRONG use you fingers and toes and count backwards…25, 24, 23, 22, 21….

Because, to be the top recruit they will prob always be a holdback going forward!! LI has had to catch up on the holdback scene. The other regions are doing it way more and LI now realizing it’s prob. what needs to be done to be competitive with kids in holdback states like MD. Good for them! If it weren’t them, it would be a 2/3 year holdback from Maryland! LI is just catching up on this holdback craziness! If they don’t do it, chances slim of getting to play in top D1 school. It’s out of hand now.

Bday is 6-3-02. My son, who is a 2022 and graduating in June has a bday of 5-27-04

The math is easy, he will be 20 when he graduates in 2022…..

The birthdate is wrong. He was born 2003. Not 2002. My older son has played with him for years. His brothers were born 2004 and are class of 2023. They were all held back at the start of of school entering kindergarten

My son is 20 and is a sophomore in college playing at an ACC school so think about that !!!!!!!

Of course they were held back in Kindergarten. They were calculating the holdback scenario even then. Probably when the kids were born! To get advantages.

Go to the 2022 board. Nobody here cares. This board is reserved for complaining about 2025, its teams, directors, etc Thx chucklehead

So sorry, you don’t get to dictate what people complain about! So, go scratch and thnx!

Yes! Great justification

It’s great to be a Outlaw!

Don’t know about justification? But, definitely “realization”! If the sport allows this practice to continue, it’s almost impossible not to do it. In order to stay competitive in the highest levels that extra 1/2 years of growth and training gives you. Truthfully, I think the sport needs to go age based. Not sure what ruling body can change the rules at the youth/club levels? But, they should definitely consider it! Make it a more fair playing field early on.

US Lacrosse can but has chosen not to

Very few of the club tournaments have anything to do with US Lacrosse. Tournaments set their own age rules. As long as the cash is flowing in they don't care. It won't change until there is a legal challenge or accident and someone goes after the ownership for damages.

I would agree that unfortunately nothing is going to happen unless someone gets seriously injured and the ensuing lawsuit would bring about the change.

Why should they? This argument is close to 15 years old, know what's changed.......nothing. Want to know what's going to change in the future? Nothing

Reforming a folded club more news to follow!

Jesters? In my opinion we need less clubs and ones that actually have competitive B teams vs secondary club A teams. Legacy/Rush in this grade is a great example of what we need more of. Look at how Legacy put themselves together originally… I believe they absorbed the Dune Dawgs and Tide, and now taking another step in that direction, in this grade anyway. Reforming a folded club won’t work unless it’s a combination of 3 or 4 clubs, again in my opinion. I am also of the option that any new should be different and avoid the typical headliners, less expensive vs big clubs, one team only, limited roster, no dad coaches, nobody really cares about that. The expectation is practice year round with dedicated, reputable and fully engaged coaches.

Totally agree about the dad coaches, it's sickening. If you're on a team with a daddy coach, do yourself a favor and get out of there ASAP. We all know why they're doing it. If they were actually a good coach, they would know better than to be a coach on a team their kid plays on.