BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums MID-ATLANTIC LACROSSE MARYLAND FORUM Holdbacks

If it makes you feel better for your 30k a year, tell yourself YGWYPF. As far as being a better critical thinker bc you go to private school?! Hard to be a good critical thinker in a homogenous pool of similar minded people.
And for the record, the AP curriculum is the same at every school. It’s to prepare for the AP exam, which is the same regardless of public or private school. Get your facts straight. And finally, before you go bashing Eastern Tech or Carver, look at where their graduates go to college. Sorry if it hurts when you go to write that tuition check.

You’re correct my kid has never had to critically think his way out of an active shooter situation.

AP is AP - this is for any school that offers courses. This curriculum is created by the colloge board, not the private schools: https://aphighered.collegeboard.org/about-ap/course-exam-development. The real test of an AP course is the actual AP pass rate.

Close. 1) pass rate. 2) rate of students who even took the exam. In the case of public schools vs private schools both these #s are very school by school, making a generalization is childish. Loyola/St Marys/GP/Gilman/St Pauls and plain old Centennial HS are closer than many here would like. That's because - shocker - the number one driver of educational attainment is the parents' educational attainment.

But don't pretend you're getting the same education or AP exposure at some public HS in Harford County that you would at Severn School or Gilman. C'mon now.

Critical Thinking is based on using real data to form opinions. Average SAT and ACT Scores from Niche.com

Eastern Technical High School

1220
28

George Carver

1210
29

Gilman

1370
30

McDonogh

1320
31

St. Pauls

1270
29

Boy's Latin

1240
27

Loyola Blakefield

1290
29

Calvert Hall

1240
27

The kids at private school are better, more critical thinkers because the teachers actually require it of their students. My kid transitioned from public MS to private HS and there's no comparison on the difficulty and expectations. The standard is a thousand times higher at Loyola than it was at Dumbarton.

Paying $120k for around 100 points higher on SAT is totally worth it. Great point.
On another note, don’t forget to look at how many AP courses are offered at private vs public.
Regarding the post above about an active shooter, your naïveté is disturbing. Mass shootings can happen anywhere. All the money in the world can’t protect you from someone’s ill intent.

A lot of people very (overly) invested in this debate. In Maryland, the truth is that you spend $700K+ on a home in the best public school districts, or you spend the money on tuition, to get the benefits of those scores for the "average kid." Or you spend less, and you get this:

Dundalk HS: 990 SAT / 20 ACT

Annapolis HS: 1160 / 26

Calvert HS: 1150 / 26

Baltimore Poly: 1170 / 26

Balt City Overall: 920 / 18 (and doesn't matter because UMD system doesn't accept their diplomas as evidence of college readiness)

Isn’t there a lacrosse message board? If so how many have legit lax teams? Maybe Severna Park? Maybe.

Mt Hebron 1290 SAT but public schools creams only those who take the test. I assume almost 100%of privates take the test

Severna Park is for the kids who couldnt get into Spalding, Severn or St Marys

Correct.
The public schools that are high have low overall test participation rates.
Public schools do NOT require every kid to take the test. So kids who are not good academically do not have to take the SATs.
Private schools require ALL of their students to take the college admission tests.
So Calvert Hall's "low 1240 average includes EVERYONE on campus, even the "dense jocks."

I think the school is called MT Heroin.....Get it right buddy

Oh yea!! Definitly Mt. Heroin. There are more than a few crispy critters there....

I can tell you're the same guy who was theorizing about McDonough & Gilman grads "job applications" like they are lining up at Starbucks or Jiffy Lube. I'm sure if they did apply for those jobs, yeah, people would think it was weird, and they might not get hired to sweep floors or warm up muffins for $9/hour. Good point.

If someone sends their kids to private for the 100 points (which, as others have mentioned, is really about 300 points), they are stunads. This is true. But this is reason #23 for most parents. Not #1.

And I agree, mass shootings can happen anywhere. So why don't they happen at private schools? Ever? If 15% of kids go to private schools, why are 0% of school shootings there?

Looking at that.. I would say that Gilman and McD give an above average education compared to those two publics, but the rest, while somewhat better aren't that much better for 16 to 35 thousand dollars a year compared to next to nothing.

But private isnt only about who has the better SAT. There is bragging rights when you meet someone.. The First three questions from any parent I meet from a private school, Where do you live, What do you do and what school does your child go to.. That private school makes up for inadequate answers to first two.

Since this is the holdback thread just send your kid to private where it’s encouraged.

Public kids call it “failing” and it’s frowned upon.

I'm a private school dad and I approve this message.

^ This

That sums up the whole debate about holdbacks in a nutshell as they say. And so True.

Mic drop at its finest.

holdbacks should be illegal in middle school while kids are developing and there are already large size mismatches.

No problem with them in high school.

Wow! They even have a ‘crybaby’ thread here for the all the white-wimpy-keyboard-warrior-dads. LoL

Oak double hold back dad! Welcome ….

Remember holding back is not about sports so don't bring the term whimp in to it. Words like slow in school, behind other kids in the classroom, developmentally disabled. But I don't know about whimp.

My kids club team is arguably the best team for his grad year in the country, and has been more often than not, since the team originated 9 years ago. They have never had a holdback. The team (parents and kids) are very close and the majority of the kids have been on the team since the beginning. Not a national team. No ringers, ever. No new kids at all in a few years. And not one boarding school kid, ever. The last 9 years, I’ve been on BOTC, people have always said that their success can’t possibly last. They can’t keep winning at the highest level. The holdback teams will dominate them. “It’s going to be ugly!” But here we are, and the club years are wrapping up, and this same team is still on top (not arguable based on their list of accomplishments). Based on the success of this team, it’s obvious that the boarding school/holdback model is not the only successful model for developing top club teams and talent, which I’m sure is very much to the contrary of what most people believe that read this post. Just throwing this out there as a possible topic for conversation, since the culture in elite lacrosse dictates the boarding school/holdback path, thereby perpetuating LACROSSE’s well earned and long standing reputation as “the sport of the privileged”. No trolls please. All of this information is 100% accurate.

Great, up until now! What age group are they ? If we are talking younger, only matter of time.

The holdback advantage is at its peak at 13 years old. Huge advantage at that point. After that, the holdback advantage steadily declines every year. If your kid is younger than 13, then you are in for a big surprise. If he’s older, I would be very surprised. Shocked, actually.

Go ahead and complete your post by naming club team and age group for this claim, otherwise this claim is unfounded.

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Everyone gets into Spalding and St. Mary’s. Lol.

Everyone with 18 K gets an honorary Catholic designation and spalding has 300+ kids a class-very selective

Your information is not correct… that team has 4-5 kids that entreated the public school system late so they are in fact hold backs.

Spalding public school with uniforms. Btw the new high school being built across the street will be a better school.

HaHa, I should add ALL the w-w-k-w-dads who can’t spell. Unless ‘0ak’ is some special code used by the wimpy white dads who post on this thread. LMAO

Everyone on this team isn’t on age lol. Get out of here dude.

Oh man you got him so good! Sick burn. Wow! ROASTED!!! That dude must have fat thumbs. What a nerd…right! RIGHT!?!?!?

I’m guessing that response was from a kid.

You’re 50 years old mike let it go. Just check the niche rankings to see how stm and as compare. Truth is neither have terribly high standards. And it’s embarrassing for a grown man to care that much.

Not the poster, but for the sake of accuracy, I can say that it is most likely true. Over the years, I’ve gotten to know some of the parents on the team, and by all accounts, Wolfpack has no holdbacks. To us, I know it sounds like an impossibility. But it’s not ingrained on Long Island, like it is here. The biggest reason for that is because they have no boarding schools on LI. So there are very few holdbacks as a result.