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The IL experience was a money grab at it’s finest. The girls were already graded based on the schools that they committed to play for and continue their education. The event was very expensive for a one day clinic. The “coaching “ was not good. The Syracuse girls who were coaches were disinterested. I would not recommend this event to any girls going forward it is not worth your time or money.

Who is Samantha Duran? UCLA doesn't even have a lacrosse team. Is this about a club team?

We're in the DC area and travelling for Presidents cup is absolutely insane. Was one thing when you were in Florida, which is at least a desirable location. Even when our team has gone to playdays at colleges, it's always the same two or three teams in the final or semi final. I guess it remains about growing the game but since 23's are pretty much done recruiting so it seems like a major waste of money. We are committed to go because our club goes though. If there had not been covid and the many restrictions against coaches watching 23's throughout the leadup year, it might have made more sense last year. I hope the 24's are able to get more looks and check out more schools than the 23's. The Junior year Sept 1 recruiting date was just such a mad rush and a garbage shoot at times. We travelled quickly to schools we could, and everything turned out fine with committing but had the system been different I think my daughter could have made a more informed choice. We ended up going with a more familiar entity just because we did not have time or money to crisscross the country. ALl of these dead periods and no contact etc. really was to the detriment of the 23's with covid.

The IL experience was a money grab at it’s finest. The girls were already graded based on the schools that they committed to play for and continue their education. The event was very expensive for a one day clinic. The “coaching “ was not good. The Syracuse girls who were coaches were disinterested. I would not recommend this event to any girls going forward it is not worth your time or money.

I just feel bad for the handful of uncommitted girls from some teams that are soooo committed that they voted to not attend the PresCup for lack of necessity. Does this happen every year?

Skywalkers M&D and Hero’s are not attending because their teams are finished with their committing? As a commit, you are never finished working! I know it’s a huge money expense right now,but the convention is the only place all year all of the coaches are together commiserating, comparing, and just all around sharing stories and notes.
A missed opportunity for those girls.

It was a detriment to 23s. It appears that the top schools have moved onto the 24s now. Not great attendance by the coaches at the Mid Atlantic for the 23s.

That's not what I heard - tons of coaches at St. Paul's watching the 23's.

Has anyone heard where next year's President's Cup will be held?

That's not what I heard - tons of coaches at St. Paul's watching the 23's.

Regarding the comment about college coaches at St. Paul's.......there were a great number of college coaches there....including several from top programs and conferences.....and I saw several on the sidelines even for games that did not include some of the premere 2023 programs....so they were truly looking at teams of all levels

Colorado girls shining!

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/event/evaluations/288/2022

Colorado girls shining!

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/event/evaluations/288/2022

Congratulations to all! Great Job!

The only “grade” that matters is the grade that college coaches give. What coaches made offers and what was the offer? That will tell you where your daughter ranks. Did Top 10 caliber programs offer? What was the offer?

It’s always the same, parents complain about events, tournaments, recruit rankings, all-star teams etc…
Just look at the schools that make offers and what they offer, that will tell you where the player ranks.

Looks like Stanford is bringing in some high end talent, I seem to remember some joker on here carrying on about how Stanford couldn’t attract any of the top players. I think they might have stated similar nonsense about Duke.

Great to see Clemson landing some great players as well.

100% agree. Lots of coaches there looking, including some top programs. But, this forum's crazy focus on just the top programs captures a small percentage of college lacrosse. Once you get out of the top 20, these schools are looking for many players right now and the recruiting process is slower because they examine more girls than the top programs EVER look at.

I couldn’t agree more, I think the top schools don’t do a good job evaluating the talent but rather they rely too much on club mystique. The next set of schools have to work hard evaluation to find the next stars so sometimes they end up with really strong players.

What actually matters is what they do when they get on campus. If they can’t contribute they will become a distant memory. If they can than they may get some real accolades.

The 2023 Stanford class is middle of the road. The Clemson commit isn’t even the 3rd best player on her club team. You can’t take any if this ranking non-sense seriously. The only to\so kids that are properly ranked is the one attacker and the goalie. It is a garbage shoot for all the others.

The 2023 Stanford class is middle of the road. The Clemson commit isn’t even the 3rd best player on her club team. You can’t take any if this ranking non-sense seriously. The only to\so kids that are properly ranked is the one attacker and the goalie. It is a garbage shoot for all the others.

The 2023 Stanford class is middle of the road. The Clemson commit isn’t even the 3rd best player on her club team. You can’t take any if this ranking non-sense seriously. The only to\so kids that are properly ranked is the one attacker and the goalie. It is a garbage shoot for all the others.

— “I think the top schools don’t do a good job evaluating the talent but rather they rely too much on club mystique.” —

This could possibly be one of the densest posts of all time.

If the top schools do not do a good job of evaluating talent then why are the same 10 - 15 teams always the same?

I think the top programs have the luxury of choice and CAN rely on club reputation and utilize all of the rankings and lists and all-star , all-american teams to create their recruiting lists and conduct a narrow search for which players they want. They do get easily identifiable top players who are very good and they stay on top. But I agree that recruiting beyond those schools is more granular. I coach a 23 team and the questions coaches ask me about my players who are still recruiting and will get a lower level DI is nothing like my top players. They are wading through a much larger group of players trying to find a good fit for their program - to fit their style of play, fill a need, etc. They are watching these girls very diligently at the November tournaments and ruling them out for very specific reasons. It's much a more in depth and specific analysis than knowing you can easily snag a very talented top athlete.

Looks like Stanford is bringing in some high end talent, I seem to remember some joker on here carrying on about how Stanford couldn’t attract any of the top players. I think they might have stated similar nonsense about Duke.

Great to see Clemson landing some great players as well.[/quotes

The 2023 Stanford class is middle of the road. The Clemson commit isn’t even the 3rd best player on her club team. You can’t take any if this ranking non-sense seriously. The only to\so kids that are properly ranked is the one attacker and the goalie. It is a garbage shoot for all the others.

The top programs stay on top because they get the top tier talent. The top tier talent are the few girls that you notice within the first 15 minutes of a game typically. Those girls just move and play different. It doesn't take many looks to make a group of tier 1 talent if your a coach at a top program. The tier 1 players can come from any club. It's the role players or glue girls that get the benefit of the doubt at the top clubs. The college coach know those girls can play at a fast pace and get the ball to the "talent" like they did at their club team. Some of those girls pop when given a new opportunity at college.

If you are not special around a group of decent high school caliber players, why would a college coach take chances when his/her job depends on it?

It's not hard to quickly pick out the top girls across the country and they are correctly placed on the UA and AS teams. Those teams miss on a few girls, but generally on point except to the parents of the girls left off those lists.

The top programs stay on top because they get the top tier talent. The top tier talent are the few girls that you notice within the first 15 minutes of a game typically. Those girls just move and play different. It doesn't take many looks to make a group of tier 1 talent if your a coach at a top program. The tier 1 players can come from any club. It's the role players or glue girls that get the benefit of the doubt at the top clubs. The college coach know those girls can play at a fast pace and get the ball to the "talent" like they did at their club team. Some of those girls pop when given a new opportunity at college.

If you are not special around a group of decent high school caliber players, why would a college coach take chances when his/her job depends on it?

It's not hard to quickly pick out the top girls across the country and they are correctly placed on the UA and AS teams. Those teams miss on a few girls, but generally on point except to the parents of the girls left off those lists.

The top programs stay on top because they get the top tier talent. The top tier talent are the few girls that you notice within the first 15 minutes of a game typically. Those girls just move and play different. It doesn't take many looks to make a group of tier 1 talent if your a coach at a top program. The tier 1 players can come from any club. It's the role players or glue girls that get the benefit of the doubt at the top clubs. The college coach know those girls can play at a fast pace and get the ball to the "talent" like they did at their club team. Some of those girls pop when given a new opportunity at college.

If you are not special around a group of decent high school caliber players, why would a college coach take chances when his/her job depends on it?

It's not hard to quickly pick out the top girls across the country and they are correctly placed on the UA and AS teams. Those teams miss on a few girls, but generally on point except to the parents of the girls left off those lists.

As a 2024 parent I’m curious how many college coaches are watching your games at tourneys this Fall. And are they still mostly D1 coaches or is it switching to D2 and D3 now at presidents cup? Just trying to get a feel for how this all works. Thanks in advance!