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3rd,4th, 5th, 6th grade. Best around. 7th and 8th grade will be tough on them. End of an era…

Over that time 6 players moved down to the 28s, 3 are actual 28s and 3 are 27 age. The former head coach is n assistant on the 28s now. This year a bunch of 28s tried out elsewhere and some actually left. I don’t think the coach is the only reason they were good. That 3rd grade team walked on the field as the best team anywhere on day one. They haven’t gotten better at the same rate as other teams and they don’t have many 26s filling the holes.

Hogan was willing to allow losers on the team the sponsors demanded. And you see the results. lost players make losing results.

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

New poster and I have very little knowledge of the Hawks. But I always thought they were a great team and sorry to see them falling apart, even thought it will be nice if my son's team can beat them for once. I heard that Matt Hogan sold the program recently - is the downhill slide related to that? And, why did he sell and who bought the program?

No, best players on that team were not 28s, but they did contribute. When you lose 6 players and don’t replace them with better 27s or 26s and don’t develop the ones you have at the same pace as other teams you get caught.

They started day one of 3rd grade as #1, the old coach didn’t hurt, but they aren’t replacing talent at the same rate.

Peaked at 3rd grade. Life Journey will be a tough road from here out.

Especially with Hawk style parents.

Drama… those kids are all still good lacrosse players, just not wearing the same jersey on the same team. There are 2 who are not playing anymore who were very good who are no longer playing. That’s the only sad part.

Looking at the gray area- the split between AAA and Elite last year, it will be interesting to see where some of these teams land in the spring. Could True Annapolis move up to Elite? VLC? Mesa? Who did Team MD play this fall? And the question sweeping the nation- If not in the PLL, where do the Preds end up?


Elite
Annapolis Hawks 7-0
Madlax Capital 6-1
Next Level 5-2
FCA 4-3
Crabs 3-4
Team 91 1-5
Team Maryland White 1-6
Sidewinders 0-6

AAA
True Annapolis Green 7-0
MESA 6-1
Zingos Black 5-2
VLC 4-3
True KP 2-5
Kooper's 2-5
BLC Blue 2-5
Looney's 0-7

Some very interesting fall scores:

BLC 5
Predators 3

Sidewinders 6
BLC 5

Koopers 4
VLC 9

Sidewinders MD 2
VLC 5

Predators 6
VLC 8

Mesa 11
VLC 4

Madlax Cap 7
Predators 0

WCS Gold 9
True Annapolis 3

Team 91 GA 8
True Annapolis 5

Sidewinders 3
Madlax Cap 3

Sidewinders 3
Crabs 9

The parent coaching style is great when the coach cares about all the kids. Unfortunately at many age levels it has become a showcase for a few of the coaches kids.

When looking at this team and how they are currently coached, what parent would want to add their kid to it. The showcase is 2 players and the rest stand around. There's a reason why parents make choices to move kids. The bottom of the roster moves to get more time and the better parents move their kids to see the ball a little more. The team could have lost even more players during the tryout period. Those decisions will get a little easier as Hogan moves further away and the current coaching system stays in place.

https://threestep.com/

They bought Hogan and Hawks brand. 3D Annapolis coming soon

Don't know how much longer they will be keeping the dad coaches. This seems like a True, Madlax, Nationals situation running at the corporate level. But I bet there will be comments that it is different then all of them

https://threestep.com/

They bought Hogan and Hawks brand. 3D Annapolis coming soon

Don't know how much longer they will be keeping the dad coaches. This seems like a True, Madlax, Nationals situation running at the corporate level. But I bet there will be comments that it is different then all of them[quote]

Let's take Madlax out of the above. Cabel fully embraces dad coaches to reduce his costs. The de facto head coach of the ML 2027's is a dad and bringing the worst of that situation to the team. The same thing is going on with us as what seems to be happening at Hawks.

I don't have a dog in this fight. However, I've seen most of these teams play? Who exactly is going Beat the Hawks in Hoco?

Exactly.

Hogan is amazing, as he moves further away the club will decline. They are probably the #1 local club in the country and there is nowhere to go but down.

If you don’t think his contacts are what makes the program run you’re nuts.

Very good question. MadLax and NextLevel will be licking their chops, but they have their own growing pains, and both typically choke against the Hawks, so spring 2022 is anybody's guess. But by spring of 2023, Crabs and MadLax will have loaded up with holdbacks, and DC Express (now BLC) will have picked up players from NL, ML, and Hawks. So if the rumors of Hawks demise are true, they will get rolled in 8th grade by at least four teams, MadLax, NextLevel, Crabs, and DC Express, plus maybe others.

Easy....Predators !! Talk of Baltimore and some select PLL teams

Scores were all over the place, Fall ball is fall ball. Usually the farther a team travels the better they are in fall. Spring will tell for many, and pretenders not Predators will fall to wayside,

And YES ! The big question is what the Predators decide to do. So much talk swirling around land of lacrosse about the Preds. PLL in fear of getting beat, has banned them. That is big news .

My guess they end up at AAA and do well. : )

Wow…. You are obviously a disgruntled 27 Hawks parent. You need to stop with the drama. If you aren’t happy with the current situation, just move on.
Signed - an offended parent of one of the two kids you targeted in your post.

Possibly Next Level but no one else.

2027 Hawks have lost 6-8 kids over time, and basically only replaced 1-2 of them. There are about 4-5 kids on that roster that are B team players at best and need to move on. They’d be better at Say, True. Daddy ball is rampant and all 3 dad coaches AND their kids need to find new teams.

The Hawks flat out refuse to recruit at this age group, largely because the daddy coaches are afraid to have their kids lose their spot, because it wouldn’t take much. 4 straight HOCO championships, and this will prob be the year they fail. Sad to see such a great team ruined by crappy daddy ball.

Looks like you just turned up the drama a couple of notches.

Pretty sure there’s only 1 legitimate stud on this roster, and 1 giant kid who will be too slow to play in hs, but his daddy will try his best.

When looking at this team and how they are currently coached, what parent would want to add their kid to it. The showcase is 2 players and the rest stand around. There's a reason why parents make choices to move kids. The bottom of the roster moves to get more time and the better parents move their kids to see the ball a little more. The team could have lost even more players during the tryout period. Those decisions will get a little easier as Hogan moves further away and the current coaching system stays in place.[/quote]

Wow…. You are obviously a disgruntled 27 Hawks parent. You need to stop with the drama. If you aren’t happy with the current situation, just move on.
Signed - an offended parent of one of the two kids you targeted in your post.[/quote]

It's not targeting the kids. It's not their fault. The team is worse and players are leaving because of how your husband coaches. It's a ton of fun for dad and the son, right now. It will still be okay during hoco but it will stink in summer 2022. 3d won't make any changes because they will love the $0 coaching but the play will continue to get worse and more of the key players will leave at the end of summer, maybe before.

Well I guess the parent parachuted in and confirmed that they run everything through 2 kids.

Weird flex? But ok

You all are fools if you think any comments or responses came from a Hawks parent or coach. Maybe one parent of a kid who is inconsequential but nothing more. The rest of the comments are coming from trolls. Welcome to BOTC for those who don’t get it.

It is absolutely Hawks parents or kids responding. They love this board.

Totally coming from Hawks parents. Confirmed in discussions with families who are looking for new teams. Nice try, though.

PS - it's classy how you call the kids "inconsequential."

Totally coming from Hawks parents. Confirmed in discussions with families who are looking for new teams. Nice try, though.

PS - it's classy how you call the kids "inconsequential."

This post reeks of 26 Hawks Dads. Go back to your own board.

What happened to FCA this year? Very poor performance thus far.

They’ve played in 1 tournament against very high level competition. Their team lost several players from last year and gained several new ones. Too early to tell. It’s fall- means nothing. Calm down.

Out of alllllll of the trash that people anonymously write on this page and THIS comment is the one that bothers you? Calling kids inconsequential is rated G compared to 90% of the comments that these Trolls spew. There isn’t a classy person on this entire forum- aside from me of course.

Because that giant guy and his below average goalie bailed on that team and took a bunch of kids with him

Ahhhh there he is! Get some new material.

I think FCA will be fine. They won’t come close to the top of the pack in HOCO, but they’ve got some good players.

Who’s playing this weekend? Do Hawks have any more fallball?

Hawks do not. Thankfully.

Team MD and FCA play this weekend in PA

I didn't realize Hawks' teams only play two tournaments in the fall. And why does Tourney Machine take down Hogan tournaments so fast? Do tournaments have to pay extra $ to keep it up.