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Use this thread to discuss lacrosse pertaining to Boys 2029 (5th Graders) & Fall 2021/Summer 2022 season.

2029, 9th graders???

What are the rankings for this year?
91/express/igloo/empire tops?

Was that a mistype? Empire?

Nope. They gotta Benton 5

1 91 Pride
2 Express
3 Legacy
4 igloo
5 Rush
6 Rebels
7 Empire
8 E3

Is Rush fielding a 2029, did not last year.

Is it true, it’s true it’s true . No turtles 2029. 2028 ‘s take note, not an organization to attach too.

What happened to 2029 turtles? And this is a 2029 board, why 2028 talk??

2028 Turtle parents are TOXIC and ruined a good thing!

2028 turtles parents ruined 2029 turtles? How did that happen?

Turtles not enough kids at 29 age level to field team. Will most likely happen at other ages too...

What the heck are you talking about and this is 2029 thread

This dope obviously thought they were on 2028 thread and obviously trying to stir the pot

Any teams have any big changes? Pick up any top players?

Is this supposed to be national rankings? Or regional?

"Top players?"

This is 5th grade. There aren't top players yet. This is about keeping the boys playing and getting better.

This IS 5th grade. It IS about having the boys get better. But, if you are saying all the players are equal at this age, you’re delusional. There are top players at every age. I’m not saying who is top now will be top in a few years, but there are boys who are clearly better!

So where did these “top players” go? Any major moves, team breakups besides turtles? Where did turtles players wind up?

Turtles definitely has some good players. Think 91 then the rest in this order now but can change. Igloo express legacy empire Rebels. Difference of 2/6 close

Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.

This is somewhat true, but 2028 (on age) is a smaller class of lax kids in the DC/MD area also. Maybe 1/3 smaller than the 2026-2024 groups.

2028 has no Koopers team, no Breakers team, no Looneys team, and Kelly Post's B team folded to bring #s to True Baltimore, who couldn't put together a roster either. 2028 Predators is basically HoCo Pink (gone) plus several FCA and Crabs kids (honestly, all kids who historically would be at Looneys or Koopers now). 2028 Team91 is mostly kids from Swarm, with some HoCo Pink kids). Swarm just pulled up a bunch of rec kids for this year, they will drop to A or B in HoCo for 2028.

Some of it is just shuffling but it's simply not as many kids, or as some claim "there's too many clubs."

As for COVID, I think what we will all see is a talent gap erupting. The players who had resources and a work ethic during COVID and whose parents could support/remind/transport kids to lax events (aka "resources") are going to be just fine. That includes club resources, not canceling practices due to COVID shutdowns, kids having access to fields during shutdowns, skills coaches with access to outdoor turf, etc. And for lax, let's remember this includes academic success and performance. Your son may have a great BTB highlight video but if he has a 2.9 GPA he is not playing for Maryland. Period. And so many kids are one or even two grades behind at this point (nobody really wants to discuss this). That will work out fine (in time) for attending Towson or Mason or JMU but not for getting admitted to many D1 schools (basic admissions).

I think we are already seeing that kids who wanted to work out and travel for lax during COVID, and whose parents could support it, did, and they will be just fine. I think that all the rec kids, and the rec kids who usually start showing up at club at 5th and 6th grade, are not going to develop fast enough to be a real presence for middle school lax at least. Whether those kids will buckle down and train and their parents can/will invest the resources for those kids to catch up.....I guess we will see.

And before anybody hits the "elitist" pearl clutch, it should not be controversial to say that - especially in lacrosse - access to good education, quality coaching, flexible and affluent parents, and good modeled behavior (aka the kids know elite HS and college players) are huge (and unfair) factors in success at most things.

Lots of good stuff there. I am not sure if this is more of the same for concern with Rec dying off, but seems like post-COVID there is more of a risk to Rec really suffering with the continued growth of Club teams. Maybe it'll bounce back some this spring, but at least where I am the vibe is NOT good. And then it seems like HoCo is going to be a scheduling conflict on Saturdays for a number of boys age levels.
Its alright fellas

Heard Rebels Practice 3 or 4 Times a week all fall and Spring. Over 100 Practices/Trainings for year. Hope it shows on the field.

It won’t

How do you know Dummy?

Dummy???? I mean you can’t even respond to thread!

Wait till the more news comes out next week on Rebels The Big R locomotive has left the station and the speed and momentum are roaring. Suggestion, get on the train or it’s blowing by you.

Little Timmy and Jimmy standing in line getting 1 to 2 reps on each drill and 6 water breaks in an hour.

Big Tommy and Johnny standing on the side talking about their high school achievements of yesteryear and how little Timmy and Jimmy are Division 1 bound.

No clue what this means…

Rebels training and level of commitment is best there is, it’s one of reasons they are growing way they are. Good people running the show. Big T as great a person as there is.

Obviously you have not been to a training session. Non stop reps, come see for yourself.

So happy for you Rebels.

8==D~~

I have literally never heard of this team. Please tell us more!

Does Big-T stand for big Turd?

I can wait till we see them at the NAL

You heard and you hope it shows lol you clearly have a kid on the rebels. Why would you say you heard?

My son played for the Outlaws for years and if you were on the A team they did the same thing! And did at least ten tournaments a year, but if you were on a B team you got screwed! Same club, different name!

This couldn’t me farther from the truth. Rebels are doing a great job with everything. They give more than any other club and are only going to push other clubs to do more, or they will lose players to Rebels. I have 1 kid on A and 1 on B… they both get same amount and level of trainings and practices. That is not the case in other places….

No where near the same. Please come and see for yourself. Do not write it, go watch then make your comments.

In what order would you rank the top teams on the Island?

I think you should start.

Doesn’t matter. Marylands top four beat all of them 🤷‍♂️

Not sure what criteria is for ranking. Best team by wins or best team with overall benefits. Example 1) best team by wins 91 2) best team by overall benefits which include 100 plus practices/training sessions per year. By far best coaching staffs. Tournaments that are not ran by 91. The top FO and goalie trainers. Ten full time employees, and may I say, unbelievable people that care. Yes it’s the Rebels, which in a couple years will be best club in every way. 91 is the titanic, going down.

1. 91
2.express
3. Legacy
4.igloo
5.empire
6.rebels
7. 91 B

Just taking a stab at it.

1. 91
2. Igloo
3. express

Based on the last 12 months of head to head results, these three are close in top tier and in this order. Possibly a little drop off after 91 where Igloo and Express are closer to even.

These LI teams will always beat Maryland teams at World Series tournament and we all know why. 🤷‍♂️

Agreed

That list can be switched around especially the top 3 slots. Saw 91A in the Fall. They have a lot of question marks 1 or 2 consistent players and 2 Venom kids of which one is a main player for Venom so they won’t be at all tournaments. Double team them or play specialty defense and the rest of the team won’t be able to do anything. This age group for 91 is one of their weaker teams. Reminds many of their 2026 teams.

Igloo 2

Do you mean in the fall when they played up an age group and still cam out with a winning record?

Playing up a year against low B comp isn’t impressive.

Well then lets discuss how many local AA teams beat 91 Pride.0.And gaging a team from a couple of fall ball tournaments that they played up in and saying it is not impressive is ridiculous.What other 2029 team has played up ? I bet not the one your kid plays on!!

Ok 91 daddy. We will see this Spring. Big surprises coming!!

I doubt we’re gonna see too many surprises this season from any team in the top group. I’m sure they’ve all gotten better as another year of practice usually does. One surprise might be size, as some of these kids have started to sprout up. The other in my opinion will be the musical chairs after this season. I think there will be more movement as playing time and specialty positions (fogo, lsm) start to become clearer.

Word has it that 91 picked up one of the best players from Express over the winter break. Might not have any challengers in this age group from any local teams come the spring/summer.

Answer to “ 91 daddy”….is 91 is your daddy.Your kid got cut and u wanna talk.Lol.Amazing answer though!

even if that is true then he is on that reloaded roster.91 best play!

91 Pride has 20 + players that would start on any of the other local clubs over most of what they have.Anyone bashing them is a jealous lax daddy who is mad his player got cut or was to scared to try out.

91 has no pride, just bad people. Get away why you still have time. 2 years from now you’ll be wishing you went to REBELS. As 91 fades away to a bad memory

Past precedence says close to 1/4th of those kids will be off the team next year, either on Power or another team. Don’t get too comfortable. 91 is always shopping for your kid’s replacement.

Hilarious that anyone would think any club isn’t. This isn’t rec. their job is to win. They will always be looking for the next best guy. Which is exactly why I want my kid playing elite club.

Ps. Not from LI. Don’t care about your feelings.

Your correct 91 try’s to Replace your kids all the time. The are kings of poaching. Call parents and make them offers. When they hand up phone now they work on another kid. Been going on for long, long time. It’s a down right nasty operation.Those days are gone. Give me the clubs who DEVELOP kids, that’s where we are taking our 3 boys next year. Tried to just move over now, but the class came out. Club said fill your commitment, then come on the Team next year.

You are spot on. You pay for the club to develop your kid. Good luck.

I wouldn’t mind my team looking for the best players out there. Those that post about developing players, sure that’s all fine and well but guess what happens when those players develop?? They leave for the better teams.

Exactly. I want my kid to always be looking over his shoulder. Looking for the kid who wants his spot. On the field and in life.

this is an abnormal statement. Yes Johnny Lax 10yr old needs to learn the life of the streets on the lacrosse field....ok there Mr. Old School.

There is zero loyalty in this sport... parents undercut each other with their maneuvering to get their kids the best advantage (parent coaching, playing down, putting in B division vs A).... then, the clubs expect you to commit to them for the year, but they don't commit to you because they are using a revolving door tryout throughout the year (91, Express, Rebels).

If this is what you want your kids to learn... go for it. My kid loves the sport so what's my choice.

Kind of deep for 5 th grade lacrosse. Simple choice, if you want a club that develops kids, you choose REBELS. If want a club that is always looking to replace kids, you choose 91. These two clubs will battle it out next couple years. Then the natural evolution will take place, and Rebels will be top team in Country. Things going on now, that will make sure that happens. Great thing about Rebels, even when they rule, they will always cares about kids, families and all involved.

Oh really laxmaster! outlaws started the same way and you see how they ended up! And look at Rush, they lasted one season before they got greedy!

Rebels? Number 1 in the country? What in that clubs history tells you they will have a number 1 team???? And until they can come within 7 of hawks and madlax you might want to taper that conversation back a touch. The top MD teams are going to lead the pack for a minute…

You are very funny!

Long Island laxs sounds dreadful. Plenty of loyalty in MD, yes. Some kids leave for better clubs but it’s a natural evolution. Some kids want to compete at a higher level. Some kids have to move up to better clubs to reach their potential. But it sounds like LI is lame as it relates to this subject.

Exactly

That really added value to the thread. Thanks. Now go away.

Explain why a club would cut a good player that will develop into being great. So I am sure Rebels will add some kids, but not 1/2 of roster. Loyalty and a mans word are two of the most important traits of a good person. Rebels check both boxes. What other club does.

Huh ?

Where are PAL standings posted?

They aren’t posted.

I inadvertently caught some of the 91 Pride practice today as I was driving through the parking lot at Farmingdale State. Wasn’t impressed at all. They seemed confused and all over the place. The coaches were trying hard but the players seemed to not grasp the instructions. Surprised my little pony didn’t make them play in his lollipop tournament today. Looking forward to seeing them getting a dose of reality when the tournaments get underway!!

But they have really cool new helmets!!

You just happened to drive thru the parking lot at farmingdale and caught a pride practice? You’re unbelievable

My son was in the tournament there yesterday. Otherwise, would not have even known they were practicing.

As Al once said, “We talking about practice?”

Reality? Like someone is going to beat them? Please!

91 is the best team in this age group, hands down! No one is even close!

Town tourney looks good Saturday

Keep puffing your chest 91 daddy. Tournament time is right around the corner and you’ll see who will beat your pride.

Puff Puff!

Anyone know what tryouts are today?

Tryouts?

You guys are all insane !! Half the kids playing today won't ever suit up for their HS teams. One percent of all HS players go on to the next level. Have fun and enjoy it now, because junior may not be playing in a couple more years.

The heck he wont. Hes doing private and club

You may want to read about growth mindset.

Blatant Spring Jam Predictions?

AA Bracket:

Igloo
Empire
Legacy
Rebels
Team 91

91 and Legacy in the final

Legacy over Rebels in a close one in the finals.

Rebels losing a close one in the championship? Ha. Not even sure why we’re playing in this bracket. We should be playing up in 2028 bracket. We are so awesome. Rebels Rebels Rebels I love Rebels. We are the best all can attest.

If you have time to sit and watch a 5th grade practice that your son (who most likely didn’t make the team) is not on and then take even more time to come on a message board and write about it …. you are part of the problem!
Oh and by the way.. 91 Pride did not look to confused at the Blatant because they rolled through it and took
the chip so now most of you that post on this site can finally shut up about your “who is the best” on LI posts.
Only team NOT there was Express and 91 has beaten them every time they have played.

91 did NOT roll over the teams. They looked real good and are deep but they didn’t roll over anyone and the championship score seems to say otherwise.

91 led the tournament in cowbell ringing though!

And wins

They out scored everyone 32-7.They dominated.

Express was not there and they’re vastly improved. Also, let’s see how this 91 team does out of LI. It won’t be pretty for them or any of the local teams.

Quick PSA. I’m a 2023 parent and have been on this board for 10 years. Out of curiosity checked in this thread to see if anything has changed. Sadly no. Here are some facts. And I have no horse in this race.

1. Son started travel in 3rd grade. Joined current large club in 7th grade. There are 5 original kids and roster is now 35.

2. Most of the top players from smaller clubs end up on 91 or express. Maybe that will change in these younger years.

3. We have kids from several other states. That started in 8th grade summer.

4. The “big kid”, “small kid” ends up meaningless. Great players of all sizes and the early advantage of size
fades

5. Out of the 5th grade roster of 23 kids, 7 kids don’t even play lacrosse anymore.

6. Your high school matters

7. The showcases, select teams, extra all start tourneys are all money grabs until sophomore year. Some are fun so do them if you have the time and money.

8. Enjoy the time. It goes fast. None of it is as important as you think. Focus on your son getting better and having fun. Winning is part of having fun but care less as a parent.

They are going to Maryland and playing against teams from NY, NJ and Colorado.

Express or 91? Going all the way to MD to play NY/NJ teams? Makes a lot of sense not to play MD or PA teams.

Team 91

The NLF this weekend will be a great indicator of the quality and strength of the different clubs and then the NAL. Very surprised to have found out that 91 at this age group not fielding a team at NAL. Must indicate something.

Agreed. I'm curious to see how they do. The bracket that has both of the Maryland teams is going to be a tough one (for the NY teams that are in it).

They lost at the NLF, didn’t play in the NAL and this week are playing in a B tournament when there is a AA tournament on LI.

That’s very strange as it’s been proven that the LI teams are especially weak at this age group but all other LI “A” teams still entered their team in the NAL and/or Tristar

Only because the better players are likely spread out on 2nd tier clubs. Because 91 and Express usually start with a bunch of eager dads who pick from the PAL team. Then the better slowly begin to migrate over time.