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News from the Long Island Wave 2015 group : The 2015 team ended at the Best of the Beach with a 2-2 record. Good under most circumstances but below the expectations of its players and coaches. This team continues to show signs of breaking out since they are a superior team from top to bottom with fabulous coaching supplied by Diana and Lauren Lopez. Overall the team sported an 11-9 record. They only had a loosing record at one tournament, the Club Nationals, where they went 1-3. At the Upper Atlantic they just missed the playoffs with a 3-1 record. Hopefully this team will return in tack for the 2012 summer season as they did this last one. If they do the team will have a big 2012 season because they are one of the best teams the Wave has fielded at this level. If what happened to the Wave teams that preceded them, in the third season of playing together, happens to the 2015's then the 2012 season will be the break out season all connected to this team expect.

News from the Long Island Wave 2015 group : The 2015 team ended at the Best of the Beach with a 2-2 record. Good under most circumstances but below the expectations of its players and coaches. This team continues to show signs of breaking out since they are a superior team from top to bottom with fabulous coaching supplied by Diana and Lauren Lopez. Overall the team sported an 11-9 record. They only had a loosing record at one tournament, the Club Nationals, where they went 1-3. At the Upper Atlantic they just missed the playoffs with a 3-1 record. Hopefully this team will return in tack for the 2012 summer season as they did this last one. If they do the team will have a big 2012 season because they are one of the best teams the Wave has fielded at this level. If what happened to the Wave teams that preceded them, in the third season of playing together, happens to the 2015's then the 2012 season will be the break out season all connected to this team expect.

What is the purpose of this post? are you trying to drum up business or are you putting the other 2015 teams on notice?

Why don't you play the the yellow jacket 2015 team to see how ready you are for a breakout season!

Just play in the competitve tournaments first. you people are hysterical! This can't be an adult!

Rule number one : Do not call out a board moderator. Rule number two : Become a registered poster if you want a voice.

This had nothing to do with drumming up business. BOTC is starting age group based threads as opposed to exclusively club based threads and we are publishing news from around Long Island on an age group basis.

BOTC Industries is completely amazed at the outright arrogance from some readers. If the Yellow Jackets 2015 group would like to add their thoughts to this thread, BOTC would welcome that input. However, that does not diminish the contributions made by any other club on Long Island - whether self-posted or posted via a moderator.

Do you really want to have the discussion about who is being the adult here? You do realize that BOTC is sharing the Long Island Wave end-of-season summary here, right? Think about it.

Interesting that the Beach Bums only go until the 8th grade (2016). Does anyone know if they are strictly focused on "intramural" development and leave the college recruiting to another organization?

Rule number one : Do not call out a board moderator. Rule number two : Become a registered poster if you want a voice.

This had nothing to do with drumming up business. BOTC is starting age group based threads as opposed to exclusively club based threads and we are publishing news from around Long Island on an age group basis.

BOTC Industries is completely amazed at the outright arrogance from some readers. If the Yellow Jackets 2015 group would like to add their thoughts to this thread, BOTC would welcome that input. However, that does not diminish the contributions made by any other club on Long Island - whether self-posted or posted via a moderator.

Do you really want to have the discussion about who is being the adult here? You do realize that BOTC is sharing the Long Island Wave end-of-season summary here, right? Think about it.

Why not "question" a moderator? (who knew you were a moderator anyway?) No one is arrogant. I have no affiliation to YJ 2015. I just know they are a great team. Furthermore if you are going to post unbias information maybe you should not label a team "superior"! If you are just reposting information from somewhere, then I apologize. It just seems that many posters here use these forums just to pound their chest about their own kids teams. It is unfortunate because there has been some valuable information on this site. It just seems that you have to sift through 10 self serving posts to get to one. Either way I feel the site serves a good purpose. As far as being anonymous, I don't think that being identified by "cage sage", laxer dad or any other nickname gives you any less anonymity!

Why not "question" a moderator? (who knew you were a moderator anyway?) No one is arrogant. I have no affiliation to YJ 2015. I just know they are a great team. Furthermore if you are going to post unbias information maybe you should not label a team "superior"! If you are just reposting information from somewhere, then I apologize. It just seems that many posters here use these forums just to pound their chest about their own kids teams. It is unfortunate because there has been some valuable information on this site. It just seems that you have to sift through 10 self serving posts to get to one. Either way I feel the site serves a good purpose. As far as being anonymous, I don't think that being identified by "cage sage", laxer dad or any other nickname gives you any less anonymity!

The post clearly said "News from the Long Island Wave 2015 group." Like someone said, why diminish the accomplishments of other teams...kids for goodness sakes? It's info that is on their website and there is nothing wrong with a club to be proud of the girls on their teams.
You are 100% correct. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your team. Where I differ with you is when individuals or organization make statements like saying a team with an 11-9 record in obscure tournaments is "Superior". Whether that was the opinion of the moderator or a press release from the organization, it is misleading. Many people come to this site for information to see where they might want their child to play. If you are just trying to put out information, then words like "Superior" and "Fabulous" probably should not be used if you are not looking for a reaction. If you are stating an opinion, than the previous poster has every right to dicount a statement that isn't true(in their opinion). If you don't want anyone to react to your "press release" than don't write anything in it that would cause a reaction. I agree that it would appear that whoever formulated the press release was trying to make the team look better than they actually are(for whatever reason).

I'd hardly call those tournaments obscure.
Ok maybe obscure is the wrong word. who did they beat of note?

Yellow Jackets Results

2015 Blue : Lax for the Cure Champions, National Draw Champions, Lax Inception Champions, Ocean City Beach Lax Champions, U15 National Champions

2015 Red : National Draw Cleveland Division Champions

2015 Gold : Ocean City Beach Lax Finalists

Yawn. Go beat that drum on the YJ thread.

no beating of drum just simple truth

powder, how come any team can come on and put up some of their stats and you have no problem with it but when a yj fan/parent puts up some of their stats you act like a child.

Maybe I misunderstood. I took the YJ stats post as an attempt to show that only YJ goes to "worthy" tournaments, therefore any other clubs that post winning records should not be touting their wins as they were less "worthy."

Purely posting the stats is fine. Trying to imply that the other teams aren't really competitors because they don't go to all the tournaments YJ attend, that's what rubbed me wrong, and if I was wrong, mea culpa.

So are you saying the tounaments themselves don't matter?

I think powderfinger is a top gun perhaps?

I am now (or rather, my daughter is). LOL But I wasn't when I wrote last night's post.

I am now (or rather, my daughter is). LOL But I wasn't when I wrote last night's post.

Since winning and level of tournaments doesn't seem to matter that's a good place to be.

how come YJ kids are going to topguns but no topguns kids are going to YJ???

My guess as to why girls are going from yj to tg but not so much in the other direction
1) More girls overall play yj so they have more to lose so to speak
2) Top level of yj is more competitive to make then top level teams of TG so many parents would rather have their kids play so called "A" team for top guns then play "B" level for yj
3)TG are doing a better and more aggressive job of recriuting kids from other clubs
4)Shannon Smith

4) Shannon Smith: Great player, great at teaching skills but did a bad job at U-15 Nationals her most important challenge to date. Not a successful tourney record 2011 also. Had to be disappointing. Bottom line the majority of "best" players probably will stay with YJ for the next few years. Her best hope is to grab the young (3rd - 5th grade) players for the future of her program

BOTC completely disagrees with your assessment of the U/15 Nationals and Shannon Smith's coaching. Specifically, BOTC believes that she did an exceptional job at the U/15 Nationals. Let's give some specifics based on FACTS of the tournament rather than feelings:

• Fact #1 : Top Guns made the National Final Four which was an achievement to start.
• Fact #2 : After trailing early, solid play and coaching brought the match for third place level at 5-5 coming to the half.
• Fact #3 : Adjustments made at halftime paid immediate dividends with Top Guns opening a 8-5 lead three minutes into the second half.
• Fact #4 : After falling behind again 10-9, Smith rallied her team with a well timed time-out leading to the equalizer with just 36 seconds remaining.
• Fact #5 : The free position ball with less than a second was netted but waived off (appropriately) by the referee crew.
• Fact #6 : Both teams traded opportunities throughout the overtime

Here's the point : a coach's number one job is to get their team into a position to win in every single match. Whether the team wins or loses can be the result of dozens of facts from players to yes, coaching. BOTC believes that Coach Smith did an exceptional job to meet the challenge.

If you doubt our sourcing, BOTC live blogged this event at the following link :

http://www.backofthecage.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=806&page=21

That was a well thought out. logical assessment. But the bottom line: She didn't beat the Yellow Jacket team, didnt come in 2nd, or 3rd but 4th. If you think thats a good job I bet she doesnt. Do you think she would be happy for her Northwestern team to come in 4th. Doubt it.