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Season starts in 5 days and no schedule. What is the deal? You'll play Sunday unless you're a 2025.
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Released by Ricky at HoCo to coaches. Can someone post 2025? How do they determine movement? Why did Cannons get moved? 2025s Elite Crabs Next Level Blue Team 91 Hawks Green FCA MAdlax Cap Looney's DC Express Black True Annapolis Green AAA Koopers Zingos Black GreenTurtle PLC gold Hawks Black VLC Sidewinders Cannons Gold Top Caliber Team MD AA Breakers Blue HLC ALC Bay Raiders ROck A DC Express Orange FLC Next LEvel Red HoCo Pink A True Balty Breakers Orange MEsa MD Madlax DMV Hard LAx Elite Rock B Cannons Blue True Annapolis White BZingos Blue Claws HoCo Black PLC Ville Breakers Elite OBGC Roughriders
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2026 Alignment:
Elite True Annap Green Crabs VLC 91 Hawks FCA Bethesda Blue Madlax Cap Looney's Next LEvel
AAA Zingos Black TRW Wolfpack Shore Kaos Breakers Blue Sidewinders Saltwater Roughriders Top Caliber
AA Kelly Post True Cannons Eastside Forest Hill Select Mesa MD Baltimore Swarm PLC Hoco Pink
A True Baltimore True Annapolis White Koopers HLC Madlax DMV Green Hornets Team MD Bethesda Orange
B Kelly Post Zingos Blue Blue Claws ROckfish Copper Breakers Orange ALC Bay Raiders Ville Hard Lax Elite
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2029 Alignment
AAA Blue Claws True Annapolis Next Level Bethesda Blue Madlax Cap Crabs Hawks Cavalier Orange
AA Forest Hill Select Kelly Post LTLC Mesa MD HoCo Pink Team 91 Cannons FCA
A Eastside HLC Swarm Cavalier Blue Carrol Manor Ville Bethesda Orange Team MD Madlax DMV
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2027 Alignment
Elite Crabs Next LEvel 91 Hawks FCA Madlax Cap Team MD Zingos Black
AAA VLC Kelly Post True Koopers Bethesda Blue Mesa MD True Annapolis Green Looneys Sidewinders
AA Madlax DMV Team MD Red Gator Lacrosse Rockfish Purple Eastside True Annap White LTLC Cavalier
A True Baltimore Breakers HLC Cannons HoCo Black ALC Zingos Blue Swarm Ground Control Bethesda Orange
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2028
Elite True Annap Green Crabs Next LEvel Hawks Green FCA Blue Madlax Cap BEthesda Blue HLC Kelly Post True Grey Cavalier
AAA Blue Claws East Side Cannons FCA White Forest hill Select HoCo Pink Sidewinders Team 91
AA Hawks Black Hoco Black Swarm Team MD Arden Diamondbacks Bethesda Orange TOp Caliber True Annap White True Baltimore
A Kelly Post True Green Zingos Rockfish Red Breakers 28/29 Ville LTLC Baltimore Elite Sidewinders 28/29 LOUYAA Madlax DMV
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2030 Alignment
Elite None
AAA Next Level Hawks Mesa Bethesda Madlax Cap True Annap
AA Blue Claws HoCoPink Sidewinders LTLC Kelly Post Crabs Cannons
A Next Level '31 HLC 30-31 Bethesday Blue '31 Madlax Cap '31 Hoco Pink 30-31 Swarm 30-31 PLC 30-31 Zingos 30-31
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DC Express Orange in AA? Give me a break!
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Teams who talk about how great they are all the time and then move down a level after the first draft of divisions is released. That’s like holding a kid back a year so he looks better on the field. SMH.
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It's not always programs CHOOSING to move down. Other programs can make or break the case for a team's alignment. Gotta have proof to make your case. And the division numbers have to work. The league can bump anyone it wants. Just because you WANT to be in AAA doesn't mean you GET to be in AAA. If another team wants in to AAA and asks- if they have proof- fall results, rosters etc. your (previously) AAA team can get bumped.
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Anyone know why FCA & Hawks 2025 Elite game got postponed last night?
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I heard coach loudmouth pulled his team cause the backup goalie has covid
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Anyone know why FCA & Hawks 2025 Elite game got postponed last night? FCA didnt want to get a beatdown.
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Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying?
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Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying? Lol... Are you asking for a friend?
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Daddy ball exists everywhere in lacrosse. You'll be hard pressed to get away from it. Every club, many highschools, and even at Syracuse and Duke.
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Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying? How many remotely qualified non-parent coaches are out there waiting for their opportunity to coach grade or middle school kids?
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Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying? How many remotely qualified non-parent coaches are out there waiting for their opportunity to coach grade or middle school kids? Don’t for get to add for free.
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Is there a formula listed on how they would choose if you're in the playoffs or not? Couldn't find on their site. Thanks!
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Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying? How many remotely qualified non-parent coaches are out there waiting for their opportunity to coach grade or middle school kids? Don’t for get to add for free. Many clubs pay their coaches a stipend. However, my observation with 5 kids having gone through the club lacrosse experience is that most dad coaches do a much better job with the kids because they have skin in the game. The coaches that don't have a kid on the team tend to come and go and treat it like a minimum wage job. That is, they show up, do the bare minimum and call it a day. These guys and gals typically don't last more than a season or calendar year at the most. Don't get me wrong, there are dad coaches who are to be avoided, but you can typically suss them out by asking around. I encountered only one of them between five kids and it was with one of my daughters. If you are experience daddy ball issues, you are either playing for the wrong dad or your perception of the personnel may be skewed.
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Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying? How many remotely qualified non-parent coaches are out there waiting for their opportunity to coach grade or middle school kids? Don’t for get to add for free. Many clubs pay their coaches a stipend. However, my observation with 5 kids having gone through the club lacrosse experience is that most dad coaches do a much better job with the kids because they have skin in the game. The coaches that don't have a kid on the team tend to come and go and treat it like a minimum wage job. That is, they show up, do the bare minimum and call it a day. These guys and gals typically don't last more than a season or calendar year at the most. Don't get me wrong, there are dad coaches who are to be avoided, but you can typically suss them out by asking around. I encountered only one of them between five kids and it was with one of my daughters. If you are experience daddy ball issues, you are either playing for the wrong dad or your perception of the personnel may be skewed. +1
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Where did you "hear" that DC Express Orange wasn't playing in the league? I mean, moot now, but interesting.
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I noticed on the GHCLC Sports Engine pages, the Standings for each division are not sorted with the teams in actual order of the standings. Additionally, there is no way to sort the list online and an important metric "GD" (Goals Difference) is not even included.
These are the metrics tracked. W - Win L - Loss T - Tie GB - Games Behind WPCT - Winning Percentage GF - Goals For GA - Goals Against
I'm not sure what GB and WPCT matters in the standings. In the end it is how many games were won, loss, and by how many goals. Hopefully, GHCLC will notice the problem and make it so the Standings actually reflect the standings.
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Goal differential isn’t a tie breaker that HOCO uses for standing or playoff determination. It goes record, head to head, winning percentage of teams beat, winning percentage of all teams played, goal against, and then coin flip. So goal differential doesn’t matter for the standings. Presumably this is to not incentive teams to run up the score.
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Should Daddy ball exist at this level with the amount of money parents are paying? How many remotely qualified non-parent coaches are out there waiting for their opportunity to coach grade or middle school kids? Don’t for get to add for free. Many clubs pay their coaches a stipend. However, my observation with 5 kids having gone through the club lacrosse experience is that most dad coaches do a much better job with the kids because they have skin in the game. The coaches that don't have a kid on the team tend to come and go and treat it like a minimum wage job. That is, they show up, do the bare minimum and call it a day. These guys and gals typically don't last more than a season or calendar year at the most. Don't get me wrong, there are dad coaches who are to be avoided, but you can typically suss them out by asking around. I encountered only one of them between five kids and it was with one of my daughters. If you are experience daddy ball issues, you are either playing for the wrong dad or your perception of the personnel may be skewed. +1 Never have your kid play on a team where the Coach's kid plays the same position as your kid!
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GB is games behind I believe
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Does GHCLC use alphabetical order to determine standings? 2026 Hawks in 2nd place in 2026 Elite division?
Team W L T GB WPCT GF GA Crabs 4 0 0 0.0 1.000 45 25 Hawks 4 0 0 0.0 1.000 57 20
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Does GHCLC use alphabetical order to determine standings? 2026 Hawks in 2nd place in 2026 Elite division?
Team W L T GB WPCT GF GA Crabs 4 0 0 0.0 1.000 45 25 Hawks 4 0 0 0.0 1.000 57 20 Here are the tie-breakers from the GHCLC bylaws. Because Crabs have beaten teams with a better record, they should be listed first. Tie Breaking - End of season tie breaker procedures: 1. Record/Winning percentage 2. Head to Head 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents 5. Total goals scored against 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw
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My son plays on a team which I coach and he is the same position as a coaches kid. But every where we go, if I coach, and he is my kid it seems like that will invariably happen. I am not sure how to avoid it unless I put him up for adoption. But if I do that he might resent me and want to play for someone else; and that would stink; because he is pretty good.
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Does GHCLC use alphabetical order to determine standings? 2026 Hawks in 2nd place in 2026 Elite division?
Here are the tie-breakers from the GHCLC bylaws. Because Crabs have beaten teams with a better record, they should be listed first.
Tie Breaking - End of season tie breaker procedures: 1. Record/Winning percentage 2. Head to Head 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents 5. Total goals scored against 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw Yes, those are "Tie Breaking-End of season tie breaker procedures". But during the season, it comes to most games won, least games lost, most goals scored, and least goals scored against. There are no ties when one team outscores and prevents the least scores another team with the same record.
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My son plays on a team which I coach and he is the same position as a coaches kid. But every where we go, if I coach, and he is my kid it seems like that will invariably happen. I am not sure how to avoid it unless I put him up for adoption. But if I do that he might resent me and want to play for someone else; and that would stink; because he is pretty good. I am sure there is an intelligent thought in here somewhere, but boy it is hard to find!
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Does GHCLC use alphabetical order to determine standings? 2026 Hawks in 2nd place in 2026 Elite division?
Here are the tie-breakers from the GHCLC bylaws. Because Crabs have beaten teams with a better record, they should be listed first.
Tie Breaking - End of season tie breaker procedures: 1. Record/Winning percentage 2. Head to Head 3. Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten 4. Total winning percentage of all your opponents 5. Total goals scored against 6. Coin Toss/Card Draw Yes, those are "Tie Breaking-End of season tie breaker procedures". But during the season, it comes to most games won, least games lost, most goals scored, and least goals scored against. There are no ties when one team outscores and prevents the least scores another team with the same record. So you think they should use a different methodology to break ties during the season than they do at the end of the season? That makes no sense. Maybe they scored more and gave up less because they played lower quality teams. But regardless, who cares. They'll play each other eventually and maybe again in the playoffs. That's the best determinant anyway.
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My son plays on a team which I coach and he is the same position as a coaches kid. But every where we go, if I coach, and he is my kid it seems like that will invariably happen. I am not sure how to avoid it unless I put him up for adoption. But if I do that he might resent me and want to play for someone else; and that would stink; because he is pretty good. Your sons coach is an @$$! Find him a new team!
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My son plays on a team which I coach and he is the same position as a coaches kid. But every where we go, if I coach, and he is my kid it seems like that will invariably happen. I am not sure how to avoid it unless I put him up for adoption. But if I do that he might resent me and want to play for someone else; and that would stink; because he is pretty good. I am sure there is an intelligent thought in here somewhere, but boy it is hard to find! LOL. FACTS! I think a robot typed that. Complete nonsense.
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Lost to Zingo's...That's a low blow...
Not sure why losing to Zingos 2025 is a low blow. They are #28 on the US club lacrosse rankings and are going to the WSYL East Regional. Is there something that we're missing here? 1-4 at WSYL. That didn't age very well.
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Lost to Zingo's...That's a low blow...
Not sure why losing to Zingos 2025 is a low blow. They are #28 on the US club lacrosse rankings and are going to the WSYL East Regional. Is there something that we're missing here? 1-4 at WSYL. That didn't age very well. Matches their current HoCo record (1-4).
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From HoCo Recreation & Parks 4/29/21:
Today we joined County Executive Calvin Ball and announced that as of Saturday May 1, 2021, we are no longer requiring that players, coaches, spectators, parents, officials and park patrons wear face coverings outside. We do however strongly recommend that those who have not been vaccinated to continue to wear a face covering.
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The level of racism at games this spring has been horrible among the parents. The league needs to address this and clean up its act. Truly depressing to watch.
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