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LIU, seriously. Look who they played

North has been shut down multiple times this year ,Scane and Ortega have not. If you dont think her over the top celebrations will impact the tewaaraton selection committee you are wrong. Is she the flashiest player in the country yes , does taking essentially every draw even in blowout wins help her chances yes.For a player who has the ball in her stick as much as she does the lack of assists is noticeable. I hope a defender gets the award but unlikely.

They are trying to prove their point that records do not matter by showing some ridiculous at large bids from traditionally weaker conferences. Listen we know that there are numerous conferences that are very weak. They are lucky to even get an automatic berth and will more than likely be beat by double digits. No one ever said teams like Niagara, Siena and Monmouth are better than your Big 10 teams you hold in such high regard. However there are teams that many believe should be ranked versus some of the Big 10 teams that are below .500 and only play in conference this year. The IL media poll is a little better this week as Maryland is 15, Hopkins is 16. Rutgers at 19 is a little sketchy. But again, the playoffs will be the final answer to these questions. The big concern for the Big 10 is will these teams be invited.

From your list above you may be able to add 2-3 more ACC teams with at large berths based upon their overall record, not just their in conference records (perhaps Duke, ND, Va). I personally think the CAA has some teams that could compete with all the Big 10 teams except of course Northwestern. Could Hofstra beat Hopkins again like last year? I think they can, they have 5 losses but 4 of them are Drexel (2X), Stony Brook and Boston College. Could a Temple beat a Rutgers team? I think they can, they have 3 losses all year to Drexel and Florida (2X). Your point is well taken and expressed more times that we care to read...we will see at the end.

They are trying to prove their point that records do not matter by showing some ridiculous at large bids from traditionally weaker conferences. Listen we know that there are numerous conferences that are very weak. They are lucky to even get an automatic berth and will more than likely be beat by double digits. No one ever said teams like Niagara, Siena and Monmouth are better than your Big 10 teams you hold in such high regard. However there are teams that many believe should be ranked versus some of the Big 10 teams that are below .500 and only play in conference this year. The IL media poll is a little better this week as Maryland is 15, Hopkins is 16. Rutgers at 19 is a little sketchy. But again, the playoffs will be the final answer to these questions. The big concern for the Big 10 is will these teams be invited.

From your list above you may be able to add 2-3 more ACC teams with at large berths based upon their overall record, not just their in conference records (perhaps Duke, ND, Va). I personally think the CAA has some teams that could compete with all the Big 10 teams except of course Northwestern. Could Hofstra beat Hopkins again like last year? I think they can, they have 5 losses but 4 of them are Drexel (2X), Stony Brook and Boston College. Could a Temple beat a Rutgers team? I think they can, they have 3 losses all year to Drexel and Florida (2X). Your point is well taken and expressed more times that we care to read...we will see at the end.

They are trying to prove their point that records do not matter by showing some ridiculous at large bids from traditionally weaker conferences. Listen we know that there are numerous conferences that are very weak. They are lucky to even get an automatic berth and will more than likely be beat by double digits. No one ever said teams like Niagara, Siena and Monmouth are better than your Big 10 teams you hold in such high regard. However there are teams that many believe should be ranked versus some of the Big 10 teams that are below .500 and only play in conference this year. The IL media poll is a little better this week as Maryland is 15, Hopkins is 16. Rutgers at 19 is a little sketchy. But again, the playoffs will be the final answer to these questions. The big concern for the Big 10 is will these teams be invited.

From your list above you may be able to add 2-3 more ACC teams with at large berths based upon their overall record, not just their in conference records (perhaps Duke, ND, Va). I personally think the CAA has some teams that could compete with all the Big 10 teams except of course Northwestern. Could Hofstra beat Hopkins again like last year? I think they can, they have 5 losses but 4 of them are Drexel (2X), Stony Brook and Boston College. Could a Temple beat a Rutgers team? I think they can, they have 3 losses all year to Drexel and Florida (2X). Your point is well taken and expressed more times that we care to read...we will see at the end.

Cuse-BC college game was a good one.

SB coming off a three week Covid break with no practices. Albany will beat them today Go Danes

Most dominant player , I don’t think so .

Slither back under your rock.

ACC 3 team conference this year. ND just can’t get it together again. Why were they overhyped again this year? Surprised by Virginia this year, although it’s been a while since they were a final four caliber team they are usually more competitive. Duke just can’t seem to get back to where they were “consistently Top 10” it’s been more than a few years now. Va Tech and Louisville are what they are... very solid programs in a very tough conference... IDK what they should do, play some tough Out of conference games or follow ND and Duke and not challenge themselves out of conference.

Your post is truly uninformed . If the ACC is a 3 team conference then the big 10 is a 1 team conference and all other conferences are a zero team conference . Please tell us the teams that would do better than Duke , ND , UVA if they were in the ACC . Both Duke and ND gave UNC all they could handle and if you watched UVA vs Cuse or vs BC on Wednesday you would definitely say competitive . As far as Va Tech they have been hurt by COVID and injury this year but seem to have gotten it together at the end of the year . The final four could easily be an all ACC battle if the NCAA were to separate the teams but they will not as they want parity . If Louisville or Va tech were to make the tournament there are many teams from other conferences they would beat . The ACC is stacked this year and playing some of these teams 2x then again in the tournament is brutal .

Bla bla bla.... same song all the time.... if the queen had you know what she would be king.... this year the same as every year several teams are stronger than several ACC teams. When was the last time we saw an all ACC final four? Give it a rest already.

And yet you will not name any team because you are sadly uninformed . I will make it easy for you , what team other than NW would be competitive in the ACC . The reason you will not see an all ACC final four is because the NCAA committee will
have them play each other . You can be the dope who has no clue or give us some other teams , how did DBU do against ACC and they are the next best after NW other than ACC teams

And yet you will not name any team because you are sadly uninformed . I will make it easy for you , what team other than NW would be competitive in the ACC . The reason you will not see an all ACC final four is because the NCAA committee will
have them play each other . You can be the dope who has no clue or give us some other teams , how did DBU do against ACC and they are the next best after NW other than ACC teams

I would say there are many teams that would be just as competitive in The ACC as ND, Duke, UVA, Va Tech, And Louisville. Just looked at 2016 - 2019... for ND, Duke, UVA and Syracuse here are their Non-Conference Losses:

Notre Dame - Northwestern 5x, USC 2x, High Point, Albany, Princeton, Towson, Cornell.

Duke - Northwestern 3x, Penn 2x, Stanford 2x, Penn State, High Point, USC, Elon, Georgetown.

UVA - Maryland 4x, Penn State 2x, Princeton 2x, Loyola 2x, JMU 2x, Elon , Navy, Hopkins.

Syracuse - Maryland 5x, Princeton 2x, Northwestern 2x, Florida 2x.

I will give Syracuse and Virginia credit because the do play competitive non-conference schedules but ND and Duke have become a bit of a joke with their non-conference schedules.

Plenty of Programs would be Just as competitive as 5 or 6 of the ACC teams on any given year.

Wow , some know it all says the ACC is a 3 team conference this year and he gets challenged to name another school other than NW that would be more competitive than the other schools if they were in the ACC and not one of you even try . They are talking about this year as in “the ACC is stacked this year “. Sorry but the ACC fan is right in terms of this year , I cannot name another team that would be more competitive than UVA , Duke , ND if they were in the ACC . Maybe a few over Louisville and Va Tech but not even sure about that . They are not talking about past years or historical program strength just this season . Watching UNC play ND on Friday just showed me that no one will beat UNC if UNC plays near their best and really can’t judge ND based on that one .

Only "maybe a few" teams this year would be over Louisville or Va Tech...LOL. Not worth listing teams and further debating this opinion.

I agree, we should just listen to the blow hard who touts the ACC as the super conference.... we should all just forget about reality. We must believe No teams can compete with the ACC ... the ACC parent told us the ACC is the best and no team can compete ...
I do not know why there is a season this year... just have Louisville play Virginia Tech for the National championship... Historical data proves nothing, the best teams are all ACC...
But please make sure to put your mask on when you watch the game from your living room....

Amazing , give us the team that would be more competitive than ND , Duke , UVA in the ACC . None of you will name a team because you know how foolish you will look . Besides NW just name one team , still waiting . I guarantee the team your kid plays on would get buried in the ACC . Just for you I will start naming the champs of each conference as they happen and we will do a short comparison of their reality if they were in the ACC this year .

Where is the big 10 guy. Cmon man. Get in on this. Then you two can provide some entertainment for us. Although it’s all kinda bs as the tourney starts in few weeks.

Still no team ??

I would say that this year is no different than other years, the top 2 - 3 Teams in the ACC are excellent, after that there are a bunch of teams that are as competitive as ND, Duke and UVA. Northwestern, Maryland, Rutgers, Hopkins... Florida, Stony Brook, Loyola, Drexel, Stanford etc... If the Ivy’s were playing I would throw in Princeton and Penn as well.

The question was more competitive but I do agree many of those teams would be as competitive . I think Rutgers and Hopkins are a step below and you did not give NW enough credit as they would have been in the mix to win the ACC.

Florida
Denver
UMASS
Drexel

At least you named some teams but I don't think this years results would indicate that any of them would be more competitive in the ACC than any of the ACC teams.
UMASS Every team in the ACC except Va Tech played a more competitive game against their only common opponent BC and they have not beaten any ranked team seems like a stretch to say they are more competitive than any ACC tournament.
Denver They again have not beaten any ranked team and lost to Colorado who lost to Louisville so so again saying they would be more competitive in the ACC than any ACC team seems to be a stretch
Drexel They lost to the only currently ranked team they played by 5 , that team, Loyola, lost to the only ACC team they played in a completely non competitive game ,while they do have some impressive quality wins not sure that puts them as being more competitive than UVA, ND ,Duke .
Florida This is probably the best resume of the group as they beat Louisville, and played competitive against UNC . The loss to Jacksonville and the fact that their only ranked win is over #20 Louisville seems to indicate that at best they would be equally competitive and that's being generous
In the end they are all good teams but the ACC is just very good this year

Maybe they could just call it the NCAACC tournament.

Comparative scores are never a strong benchmark for comparing teams. Trying to use Top 20 wins or a teams record this year is basically useless. The only true indication of how teams stack up is head to head competition, relative strength of schedule and overall body of work. This year it is all speculation due to the fact that there has been very little out of conference competition between the top programs. In recent years, only North Carolina and Boston College have proven themselves to be a cut above, Syracuse, Virginia, Notre Dam are always Top 20, Duke has been a notch below for several years and Va Tech and Louisville are competitive but certainly have never consistently been Top 20. The Reality is that when you look at the DI field there are always a number of teams that are just as competitive as the bottom 5 or 6 ACC teams. There are also always some that are more competitive than ACC Teams. The ACC does have an advantage this year because many other programs will go into the tournament without being battle tested. Teams like Stony Brook, Florida, JMU, Loyola etc... usually play much tougher schedules than they did this year. Is the ACC the Strongest conference? Yes, but on any given year there between 15 - 20 Teams that are as competitive in the ACC as the bottom 5 or 6.