BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Boys 2018 Fall 2012/Spring 2013

No, 2017 would be U14 (if there was a U14) or U15. Most 2017 kids were born before 9/1/1998 ....some a whole year or more.

We were playing on a different field and saw the ambulance and police. This is not what any parent wants to see. It is so unsettling We hope you son is healthy & recovering.

According to US lacrosse U 13 for Spring of 2103 is Born on or after 9/1/1999. It's virtually impossible to be 2017 and born after then!

http://www.uslacrosse.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=1rKL4FgUjxc%3D&tabid=6209

No - My son is 2017 and born in September 1999. Means he started school at 4 and turned 5. Will be graduating as a 17 year old. Qualifies for U13 as a rising freshmen... will be even better playing U15 as a rising Junior

Yes. That's correct. In NY anyone born from Sept to Dec would be eligible. So a player could be eligible but not a whole 2107 team. If it was specifically a U 13 team you could have a few 2017 players. Most U13 teams will be 2018 & 21019.

Actually it's not. Kids born sept oct nov are all 2017. Most schools on LI are Dec cut off. That's all full 25% of all kids in 2017. Except in the lacrosse world most of those kids would be held back and be 2018. In Maryland they would be 2019....

U13 Team Long Island Plays UP

Hope not keep them at 91!! We prefer the players that play as a team with some loyalty,not the foul mouthed kind ! Way to go TERPS!!! Way to play and stick together!!!!

Good luck to 91. You now have lost to Express and you got sold a bag of good. You got a kid who is on the down slide. And his father......

Not true. My son is a November 1999 and is a 2017.

No they don't. They play where most of the team should be playing.

This type of vitriol is uncalled for and should end right here. Terps parent

Some time back, BOTC created a complete table of birth dates, graduation classes, school grades, and the corresponding U/age groups. The cut-off date for school enrollment is December 1st and the cut-off date for U/age groups is August 31st in this table (different from the July 31st cut-off date used in Youth Soccer but consistent with US Lacrosse).

Based on this data, a November 1999 birth date is a Class of 2017 graduate (one of the youngest in their 8th grade) and a U/13 player, one of the oldest in that age group. (Note that this DOES NOT account for late starting in school or being held back which we assume was not the case for our poster.)

It is very important that readers look at this data since those October/November birthdates tend to create most of the controversy and this example helps you to see why!

12/01/94 - 08/31/95 ... Class of 2013 ... 12th Grade ... U/18
09/01/95 - 11/30/95 ... Class of 2013 ... 12th Grade ... U/17

12/01/95 - 08/31/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 11th Grade ... U/17
09/01/96 - 11/30/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 11th Grade ... U/16

12/01/96 - 08/31/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 10th Grade ... U/16
09/01/97 - 11/30/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 10th Grade ... U/15

12/01/97 - 08/31/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/98 - 11/30/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 9th Grade .... U/14

12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 8th Grade .... U/14
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 8th Grade .... U/13

12/01/99 - 08/31/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 7th Grade .... U/13
09/01/00 - 11/30/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 7th Grade .... U/12

12/01/00 - 08/31/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 6th Grade .... U/12
09/01/01 - 11/30/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 6th Grade .... U/11

12/01/01 - 08/31/02 ... Class of 2020 ... 5th Grade .... U/11
09/01/02 - 11/30/02 ... Class of 2020 ... 5th Grade .... U/10

12/01/02 - 08/31/03 ... Class of 2021 ... 4th Grade .... U/10
09/01/03 - 11/30/03 ... Class of 2021 ... 4th Grade .... U/9

12/01/03 - 08/31/04 ... Class of 2022 ... 3rd Grade .... U/9
09/01/04 - 11/30/04 ... Class of 2022 ... 3rd Grade .... U/8

12/01/04 - 08/31/05 ... Class of 2023 ... 2nd Grade .... U/8
09/01/05 - 11/30/05 ... Class of 2023 ... 2nd Grade .... U/7

Terps parent here, we agree, whoever is making the stupid, hurtful comments about a 13 year old and his father, knock it off...

NY age cutoffs for school are different from most of the country. This puts NY at a disadvantage in athletics.

Most school systems are designed so that children are 5 years old when they start Kindergarten. The US Lacrosse age guidelines are designed to take this into account.

A child who is held back, for any reason (academic, emotional, physical, "red-shirting") generally needs to play "up" as a 7th grader as they are U-13 ineligible. 6th graders and 8th graders do not have this problem since there is a one year cushion with U13/U15 designations. 8th graders who are "older" do not need to sit out for a year. They can play U15 along with their classmates.

A child born the last four months of 1999 who is set to graduate HS in 2017 is actually a grade ahead of what is typical for his age. If in 8th grade this boy is playing competitive lacrosse he should be preparing for High School and playing U-15 or 8th grade divisions at tournaments. There is no reason for an 8th grader to play U-13 even if he is US Lacrosse eligible.

This is absolutely not an issue in soccer across the country and in fact has not been a discussion point on Back of THE NET in the last decade. New [lacrosse] is not in any disadvantageous situation because a school cut-off date might vary by 60 or 90 days.

US Lacrosse guidelines were drafted from USYSA. The mistake US Lacrosse is making is doing two-year U-brackets as opposed to single year brackets. In time, they will need to call out single year U-brackets.

If the conversation STOPS discussing anything in terms of GRADE, this playing up discussion will be eliminated. Players play based on their birth date period. Playing "up" then has nothing to do with academic grade.

Actually, this is a problem with the two year system as one 12-month bracket can be penalized. In fact, how can you support two year age groups with a disparity of as much as 23 months and then open this post with NY being at a disadvantage due to a 60 or 90 day shift?

Wrong. They are actually the older three or four months of their grade. Again, read the table.

Again, the discussion needs to move away from GRADE since it only clouds the discussion.

Cage - I agree with on the age thing and how single age year is the best way to have fair and competitive tournaments - but lacrosse is different from other sports because the college recruiting and the disproportionate number of college spots available to the relatively low number of high school kids that play. Lacrosse is a sport that sees some high schools sending 10 - 15 players a year play college lacrosse and most at great higher education facilities. the recruiting is getting younger and younger and IMHO a college coach does not want to see U15 game with 8th/9th and 10th graders in it. He wants to see a 2016 game that he knows he is comparing rising sophomores against rising sophomores - I think that a majority of soccer players are playing for the love of the game and to win championships at the club level while a majority of the lax players are trying to get recruited.

an example of what I am saying would be this weekends laxfest - all the chatter is about cheating and age and sandbagging divisions up to the eighth grade - but you talk to any HS kid or parent the only thing you hear is what coach from what school is on what field. It's Tuesday afternoon and I still have no idea who won the HS division and my kid played in it.

In a single Birth year lets say 2000 you will have boys spanning three grades. For the next academic year there will be boys in 7th, 8th and 9th grades.

In a single Grade you will have boys spanning three birth years. For the next academic year, 8th graders will be born in 1999, 2000 and 2001.

US Lacrosse wants everyone to play age based, but this simply does not work. Should a U-13 eligble 8th grader really play U-13? Similar arguments can be made against grade based teams and events.

When playing for fun or as a hobby it really doesn't matter how teams are formed. There will be disagreeements forever, or at least until US Lacrosse establishes better credibility.

If a boy is serious about playing at the next level and/or being recruited, then grade based is better. This is how it is done in High School and this is how college recruiters want it to be. Recruiters are absolutely watching 2017 games this season and come next spring will be watching 2018. They care about what year you are coming to their school and not how old you are.

Why are the forum Topics grade based isnted of US Lacrosse Age based? Answer: because that is what matters!

This is a very good point and something that we should correct on BOTC when we launch the Fall 2013/Spring 2014 threads.

Terps 2018 - team of talent and integrity.
Team 91 orange - they boast that they are unbeatable. who says that about themselves? Team 91 cant face that the terps are just as good if not better. instead, they actually published an excuse that is it was hot outside. That's right, no other team was exhausted and hot. Poor winners and poor losers.

please stop....as a parent of a kid on 2018 terps I want to say 91 is a great team and the parents were good winners and gracious losers.

no need to correct it - just remove Fall20xx?Spring 20XX and leave it as an open 2018 thread - it is 2018 this year and will be 2018 next year ect.

Okay, how many DOB 2001 kids are in 8th grade?

It is a horrible write-up, to make excuses. Coach and Play lacrosse, that's it - you will win some and lose some....91 should reign in this dad, it looks foolish.

Maybe he thinks they're the next coming of the Turtles ... 91 xtreme are a good team but not head and shoulder above everyone else like the Turtles. (not a turtles player/dad)

I am a terps parent and have no issue with that write up...didnt even though know they had a team website--i say good for them. nice place for the boys to see themselves, let's not make a big deal out of it. He gave plenty of credit to all the teams.

By that time of the day, i was hot and wanted to go home too...

It is not unreasonable to see an Academically gifted and talented student born in 2000 who skipped a grade. The chance of that same child being a gifted lacrosse player may be small, but is not unreasonable.

Where I live the cutoff is Oct 1 1999. There are definitely October boys who should be in 2018 that are already in 2017. There is an August 1999 boy who started school late, not for red shirting purposes, who is in 2018.

In NY October 1999 should be 2017!! That's a fact if they are not gifted and skipped or did not hold back.

From the 91Xtreme web site

Any Given Sunday" - Xtreme falls in the championship game to the Express Terps



Most would think that playing on the turf all day would be an advantage but not the case in high 80 degree weather. Playing on a surface 20 degrees hotter than grass just takes a toll after awhile as 91Xtreme lost to a well prepared Express Terps team

Day 1: What a way to start a tournament; Xtreme vs Express. A local rival, the Express Terps put up a great battle in the first game. Each team had their opportunities but the Goalies at both ends of the field weren't giving in so easily. In the end, Xtreme took the win by a score of 5-2.



Xtreme's next opponent came all the way from Texas to try their hand at beating the Xtreme. Very big, fast and physical.........all of which were used to try and shake the Xtreme off their game plan; but it just didn't work. They rose to the occasion, lifted their game even higher and went on to beat the Mustangs by a score of 9-3. Many thanks to the Texas Mustangs for coming all that way to Long Island and giving us a game.



Day 2: Xtreme started their day 2 run with a 10-0 1st game win against a Michigan team that just couldn't keep pace with the Xtreme style of play. Although the score looked like they played their best; Xtreme looked a little sluggish from the heat. Game 2 was against a very good Bucks Select Red team. The Bucks had good ball movement and a very tenacious style of play. They kept the pressure on the Xtreme and penetrated the offensive end on several occasions but came up short. Althouh the Xtreme had their hands full, they managed to keep the goals knotted at 3 for a final score of 3-3.



Semi-Finals: After some tournament confusion about which team would make the playoffs and which would be going home; Xtreme found themselves seeded 1st and facing off against the 4th seed Bucks Select team on the hot turf for a second time. The Express Terps would face the 91 Raiders in the other semi-final round. This time the Xtreme wasted no time and got on the board first with a quick goal. They stayed in the lead the entire game and won by a score of 6-4. The Terps beat the Raiders in a convincing 9-2 score.



Final: REMATCH. How appropriate that our cross town nemesis from the first game would be standing in the wings to be Xtreme's competition in the Championship game. It goes without saying that the Terps would be more than ready to show the Xtreme that they are a team to be reckoned with. The Terps played a great game and proved that on "Any Given Sunday", the best can be beat. Congrats to the Terps!!



Tournament Goals Scored: 34

Tournament Goals Against: 16



Game 1 - vs Express Terps - WON 5 - 2

Game 2 - vs Texas Mustangs - WON 9 -3

Game 3 - vs Team Michigan - WON 10 - 0

Game 4 - vs Bucks Select Red - TIE 3 -3

Semi Finals - vs Bucks Select Red - WON 6 -4

Championship - vs Express Terps - LOST 4 - 1

In the context of Sports:

I know there are the academically gifted students but not the norm where they are really looking to advance their child a grade. These days the school systems and administration keep them within their grade and place them in advanced classes in whichever subject deemed appropriate(yes as low as 3rd grade). This helps the child assimilate to their academic surroundings without the social shock.


Not to mention, when the child gets into secondary school they have the opportunity to take university courses while still in HS.

I've never heard Extreme parents say they are unbeatable . I'm an Express parent and I know several of their parents and can only say nice things about them. Enough with the childish games. These teams are made up of hard working boys. Who cares which team you "with" . You are supposed to be adults. Act like it .

Who cares? Looks like they gave props to a "well prepared Express terps team" and we all know that on any given Sunday it could go either way.

From the 91Xtreme web site

Any Given Sunday" - Xtreme falls in the championship game to the Express Terps



Most would think that playing on the turf all day would be an advantage but not the case in high 80 degree weather. Playing on a surface 20 degrees hotter than grass just takes a toll after awhile as 91Xtreme lost to a well prepared Express Terps team

Day 1: What a way to start a tournament; Xtreme vs Express. A local rival, the Express Terps put up a great battle in the first game. Each team had their opportunities but the Goalies at both ends of the field weren't giving in so easily. In the end, Xtreme took the win by a score of 5-2.



Xtreme's next opponent came all the way from Texas to try their hand at beating the Xtreme. Very big, fast and physical.........all of which were used to try and shake the Xtreme off their game plan; but it just didn't work. They rose to the occasion, lifted their game even higher and went on to beat the Mustangs by a score of 9-3. Many thanks to the Texas Mustangs for coming all that way to Long Island and giving us a game.



Day 2: Xtreme started their day 2 run with a 10-0 1st game win against a Michigan team that just couldn't keep pace with the Xtreme style of play. Although the score looked like they played their best; Xtreme looked a little sluggish from the heat. Game 2 was against a very good Bucks Select Red team. The Bucks had good ball movement and a very tenacious style of play. They kept the pressure on the Xtreme and penetrated the offensive end on several occasions but came up short. Althouh the Xtreme had their hands full, they managed to keep the goals knotted at 3 for a final score of 3-3.



Semi-Finals: After some tournament confusion about which team would make the playoffs and which would be going home; Xtreme found themselves seeded 1st and facing off against the 4th seed Bucks Select team on the hot turf for a second time. The Express Terps would face the 91 Raiders in the other semi-final round. This time the Xtreme wasted no time and got on the board first with a quick goal. They stayed in the lead the entire game and won by a score of 6-4. The Terps beat the Raiders in a convincing 9-2 score.



Final: REMATCH. How appropriate that our cross town nemesis from the first game would be standing in the wings to be Xtreme's competition in the Championship game. It goes without saying that the Terps would be more than ready to show the Xtreme that they are a team to be reckoned with. The Terps played a great game and proved that on "Any Given Sunday", the best can be beat. Congrats to the Terps!!



Tournament Goals Scored: 34

Tournament Goals Against: 16



Game 1 - vs Express Terps - WON 5 - 2

Game 2 - vs Texas Mustangs - WON 9 -3

Game 3 - vs Team Michigan - WON 10 - 0

Game 4 - vs Bucks Select Red - TIE 3 -3

Semi Finals - vs Bucks Select Red - WON 6 -4

Championship - vs Express Terps - LOST 4 - 1




The best can be beat.... Really I'm gonna puke. Come on guys you're so much better than that. This is LI, you're not the Turtles... Next year you will be challenged every time you step on the field. Many teams in 2018 will challenge you next year, kids will grow talent will blossom. The weight room will have visitors.... Take a bite of humble pie. By the way, how many kids on your team never saw the field in the Championship?
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Another terps parent here and support only positive comments. This is why we love our team. Great game by both teams. How lucky we are that there are so many talented players on LI.

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I have to agree. The boys from both teams are really good kids. There is a lot of talent on both sides. And Some of the parents from both sides are friendly and i believe most are respectful to all the boys. To the obnoxious parent/coach who always has a wise remark on and off the field why dont you go back under the rock that you crawled out from. You have posted so much negative crap on here you should be ashamed of yourself. These are young men coming out to learn a sport from people who are supposed to show some class. Stop bashing kids and the parents and maybe the dark cloud that has been over you will fade away. Good luck to both teams for the remainder of the season.

Congratulations 2018 Terps on a great tournament!! Good Luck to all the teams the rest of the summer. Any update on how the injured player is doing that left in the ambulance?Hope he is ok!!

Cross town nemises?? Thats kind of funny,which town?

Just a side note.....not only are these two talented teams "good kids", they are friends above and beyond lacrosse. Let's celebrate and support their efforts and not perpetuate the hate!

He is OK, actually returned to the field with his parents to pick up their belongings and I think to see his teams last game.

"We lost but we're still the best."
"You lost but we're both the best."

Arrogance and irony are strange bedfellows! But it makes for amusing reading.