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Based on program history I did not consider Notre Dame to be a team that could possibly make the Final Four. However, after watching both games vs Syracuse my opinion has changed. Notre Dame is a very good team, their ACC schedule is challenging but if they can win some games vs UVA , BC, Duke etc... they will be prepared for the Tournament and could possibly make it to the Final Four.

There is no excuse for ND not to be top 4 Top recruits yet year After year same stuff

ND seems to get knocked all the time for not winning a National Championship or making it to the Final Four. Some of the bashing is justified some of it is not. No team can be expected to make it to championship weekend every year but you would think that a program/university like ND would challenge at least once in a while. Maybe this will be their year.

Oh, I don’t know maybe because they actually have to compete and not just be crowned top 4. There are a bunch of other programs that fight to make it to championship weekend. They don’t always make it but why would you think Notre Dame should be there over programs like Northwestern, North Carolina, Boston College, Maryland, Virginia, Penn State, Duke,Princeton, Penn Florida, Syracuse etc... Notre Dame is a great school with an excellent program but there are many other great schools with excellent programs (they all can’t be top 4). BTW, this just might be their year .

ND and Florida are 2 teams that people say underperform relative to talent due to coaching. Not sure if people agree with that statement.

Florida's best bet for a national title was with their inaugural incoming class, when they were Juniors and Seniors, that opportunity slipped by. They looked like they had another shot to contend when Gilroy was there as well. Since those days, they have been slowly slipping further and further away from contending for real. ND has never been a real contender in that timeframe, but they seem to finally be on the rise. The next few years will be their best shot, see how it plays out.

Agree, but who is saying they have underperformed? Is it the parents of players who attend / attended ND & Florida?
I don’t know that you can say they have underachieved
Relative to other Top Teams. Maryland, UNC, Virginia, Duke, Northwestern have all brought in more talent than ND and Florida. Syracuse has brought in about the same as Florida and ND. They are both excellent programs. Maybe some people have unrealistic expectations.

Can we stop comparing apples and oranges. Syracuse and UNC brought back numerous 5th year seniors, Grad students and Syracuse has 6th year player. Is it any wonder that they are playing at a higher level. The NCAA decision is what it is but it created the current environment which may continue for the near future.

It’s not not really about seniors, 5th year or graduate transfers, it’s about bringing in the best recruits. For the most part the programs that bring in the most high end recruits usually have the best teams. Syracuse, UNC, Northwestern consistently bring in top tier recruits. If a program does not bring in strong players they will have a hard time beating the programs that do bring in strong players. If a program can stockpile those high end recruits, keep them for a 5th year and bring in high end transfers they will be tough to beat.

Obviously bringing in the best recruits is important. But your reply reinforced what was stated. Keep top recruits till they are seniors, 5th year players and Grad transfers and your team will compete for natty. Since the scholarship cap was changed for this year does this years National Champ get an asterisk??

The top programs bring in the best players . If average programs had a bunch of 5th year players they would still have an average team. The teams you are talking about are two of the best programs with or without the 5th year players. All schools can bring in transfers and retain their 5th year players that doesn’t mean they will be competitive.

With the Ivy League out of competition, will the NCAA eliminate one of the play-in games or just add an at-large bid?

Would be nice to see the money allocated to wlax for Syracuse, UNC as compared to other wlax teams as it appears they have gone over the scholarship cap. ******Asterisk for this years National Champs.

Did you even bother to look at ND roster or Loyola , stop with the whining .

Syracuse and UNC were noted as they are currently the 2 top teams and appear to be the most egregious in stacking their teams with transfers, Grad students. The same environment exists with other teams just didn’t feel the need to note every team. Bottom line is a number of teams have used the extra scholarship money to stack their teams. Would be nice to see the money these teams have dedicated to wlax so that a fair comparison can be made. ******Asterisk for this years Natty.

The NCAA allowed programs to exceed the cap for returning 5th year seniors this year. If any number of players (who were on scholarship) decided to return for a 5th year the institution could honor their scholarships without it impacting the cap of 12. It is up to the institution to decide if they want to fund the scholarships or not fund the scholarships.

Stop whining, there is no asterisk. For the most part there are only a handful of programs that have a legitimate shot at winning a National Championship each year. It was great to see JMU put together such a great run but they were obviously the exception not the rule. That said, JMU has been a competitive program for many years, most years they are top 20. There just is not enough talent to go around, the top 8 -12 programs scoop up just about all of the top recruits and they consistently dominate the rest of the programs. Navy found a way to make it to the Final Four and JMU won a National championship but who else has done anything to suggest that they can complete with the top programs. If a program can’t bring in top tier recruits how are they going to compete with the programs that do? It’s not about 5th year players, it’s about the caliber of the player.

Your response just shows your ignorance . First UNC has one transfer player . Second every year some teams are fully funded while others are not . You sound like a whinny flaccid lost who hates most likely a UNC player . Stop being a flaccid chubby non athlete and have a conversation with the dad you so envy or shut up . The only asterisk should be on your birth certificate where it says most likely male .

I would think they would add an at large bid and just keep the same number of teams in the tournament.

Gee. Thanks for the wlax history lesson. And thanks for once again restating that schools were allowed this year to exceed cap. Your understanding of current wlax is extraordinary. So does a program that is funding scholarships over the 12.5 have an advantage. Maybe answer the question in between reading the newspaper comics.

Obvious your not a Mensa member. But educate us with your wlax knowledge. Does a team that is funding its program over the 12.5 scholarship cap by bringing back 5th year players, Grad transfers etc have an advantage. Oh yea see if your vocabulary goes deeper. And after your deep thinking response you can go home and get your shine box.

I am not the person that you are responding to but I will chime in. Why do you have a problem with 5th year players, grad transfers etc... and / or schools that are funding their program beyond the 12 scholarship limit for this year? The NCAA granted all 2020 spring sport athletes an additional year of eligibility nobody is doing anything wrong, everybody is playing by the same rules. Programs that are able to bring in the best players always have an advantage, do you think talent should somehow be divided up evenly among all programs? Do you think every program should have to offer the same amount of scholarships? Should all programs have the same operating budget? There are other schools that have 5th year players and graduate transfers , why do you only seem to be bothered by UNC and Syracuse?
Again I ask, why do you have a problem with any of this?

“Obvious your not a Mensa member. But educate us with your wlax knowledge. Does a team that is funding its program over the 12.5 scholarship cap by bringing back 5th year players, Grad transfers etc have an advantage. Oh yea see if your vocabulary goes deeper. And after your deep thinking response you can go home and get your shine box.”

You are obviously something, again every year there are programs that take advantage of the NCAA rules and fully find their programs while there are programs that don’t . Obviously the fully funded programs have an advantage but the rules are the same for all . Should there be an asterisk every year ? The shine box response is used by every fake wanna be mobster who has zero original thoughts . It’s obvious you dislike someone with a kid playing at UNC or Syracuse , you should talk to them directly but again the flaccid fake tough guys never do . Will be awesome to watch UNC or Cuse win it this year as both programs have the best players from LI .

Teams that have better players have an advantage. Not sure why you are so bitter. Are you the same person carrying on about how this years National Champion should have an asterisk? Please explain why having 5th year players, graduate transfers etc... and being able to fund additional scholarships is such a problem. The rules are the same for every program.

Such a sour post. Why does this situation bother you so much? There is never a level playing field in college athletics. Some programs fully fund their program some do not. Some schools have better academics than others. Some schools have more pull with their admissions. Some have better facilities. Some schools are considered more desirable than others. Some programs have better coaches than others. Some programs have more history and tradition than others. The list goes on and on certain programs have many advantages over other programs.

As to your question “does a program that is funding scholarships over the 12 have an advantage?” I will ask, have an advantage over who? Any school that is not funding their program to the maximum that the NCAA allows is at a disadvantage but that is their own doing.

Sorry, I really don’t see your point. Is there a particular program that you believe is being hurt by this situation? Is there a program that you believe would be challenging for a National Championship if the NCAA did not allow for schools to fund additional scholarships?

The 5th year were able to be funded by 3rd party donations. From a individual for this year only. Back to 12.6 next year. Not an easy budget to balance for coaches who were given a one year Stimulus plan.

5th years this year and next 4 years will provide a back up and transferring of talent, and budget nightmare. I would suspect transfer portal to light up at end of season with HIGH level talent in all grad years.

Talk about bitter people. The question raised is .... do the schools that have brought back 5th year players and grad players/transfers and are over the 12.5 scholarship cap have an advantage??? Pretty simple. Blah blah about fully funded programs. Again don’t need a wlax history lesson. With all the knowledgeable experts out there can we get an answer

An advantage over who?
What is the purpose of your question?
Are you trying to somehow diminish the success a team has if in fact the team fits your cry?
Are you trying to make a point?
Why are you obsessed with the question?

Answer a question with 6 questions. So much for knowledgeable experts. Ok. Will spell it out for you. Team-A brings back numerous 5th year/ grad players and uses 20 scholarship dollars. Team-B stays at the 12.5 cap. Which team has advantage. Not too hard a question. Not a trick question. Sooooo.....answer the question Kreskin.

Every year the teams that fund the maximum amount of scholarships that the NCAA permits have an advantage over programs that do not .As far as 5th year players and grad transfers it’s again the same as every other year it depends on the player . You keep getting roasted by the poster that seems like an attorney with no other poster even remotely agreeing w you . Your animonsity of either a player or their parents that go to UNC or Cuse will make you even more miserable when they play for the national championship .

New to this discussion . But your question is like saying UNC or Hartford , who has the advantage ? They are all on the same playing field as they are every year. The Best teams bring in the best players. Any of the teams that have a chance of competing for a title all have the ability to bring in and or keep 5th years or transfers and fund them. Some teams just have done a better job. Don't relly see any advantage.

Watched second half unc I know we talk about stat padding how about unc leaving starters in and Ortega scoring final goal of game with under a minute left or we don’t do that for every team. Was terrible in a blowout

It’s the same as every other year. Really??? This year programs can go over the 12.5 scholarship cap. Some appear to have gone way over. So is that an even playing field??? I guess our knowledgeable experts don’t want to answer question.
So you can go back to the usual
1-only four teams can win the natty
2-SBU stinks
3-Spalina is the best coach.

I notice that you didn’t answer any of the questions. BTW this is college lacrosse, many teams have many advantages over many other teams. There are programs that offer no scholarships, there are programs that are funded to different levels, there are programs with indoor facilities, there are programs that have more flexible admissions standards, yet we do not see people whinnying about it. Your weird fixation on this topic is a bit strange.
Since The Ivy’s are not playing I will use them as a benchmark.
From what I understand The Ivy’s do not offer scholarships, in general they do not permit graduate students or 5th year players, and for the most do not allow players to transfer in (I realize that there may be exceptions at some from time to time). Maybe I missed it but I do not recall Parents of Ivy players on here complaining that other teams have an advantage or that there should be an asterisk next to teams that win a NC because they have an advantage.
Why don’t you just come clean and tell us all why you are so worked up over this?

Oh brother... you state: "So is that an even playing field???" Are you serious? You are joking right? Ha, there is no hope for you. Please tell us that you do not teach your children to complain that "it's not fair". Truly very sad.

What is egregious? Is there a particular team that you feel has been hurt in some way by the current environment created by the NCAA due to the pandemic? Do you feel that there is some team out there that had a shot at the national championship but now they do not because other programs have more funding? Maybe it's just me but pretty sure the usual small group of schools would be competing for the National Championship anyway. What do you mean by.. "so that a fair comparison can be made"?

Actually, If the team that had the extra scholarship $$, the transfers and the 5th year players were a team that would not usually be considered in the Top 30 and the other team was North Carolina I would say North Carolina has the advantage.

I guess we are getting the answer clearly someone doesn’t like UNC or Ortega kid....NU crushed Rutgers today and Scane had 10 goals on 15 shots.... at least Louisville is ranked..let’s hear you [ChillLaxin] about her too??

Ahh. Back to the only a few schools have a chance at championship. Funny how you spew the same nonsense. Cmon.... I know you want to say SBU stinks. I understand it takes time for information to get through the thick cranium. And who mentioned fair. To deny that a school is able to offer more scholarship money than another iOS not an advantage is frankly uninformed. Now back to usual drivel..... oh no PSU lost..... they didn’t have a chance anyway.

It’s not fair, it’s not fair, they have more scholarships, they have 5th players and graduate students. It’s not fair, it’s just not fair. They have an advantage, we could compete if it were fair, if only it were fair....