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Completely off topic of ranked teams and eligibility, but what is your take on the NCAA easing up on marijuana use/testing? With all of the current research surrounding it’s beneficial results pertaining to pain/stress management, perhaps it could be looked into a bit more.

Please state the factual clinical research studies and double blind experiments that have led you to your opinion. I have an idea. Have your daughter start smoking joints and let us know how that goes.

Not a good idea.

Patriot League has announced how they will handle spring sports, including women’s and men’s lacrosse.

https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/colle...formats-for-mens-womens-lacrosse-seasons

Great news! I'm hearing B1G 10 teams will all play each other 2x, and may have a couple out of conference games. ACC will play full schedule. This is very good

Ivies supposed to make an announcement the end of January. Makes it difficult for the kids who are waiting t enroll based on the season.

Inside Lacrosse Rankings


1. North Carolina

2. Notre Dame

3. Syracuse

4. Northwestern

5. Loyola

6. Stony Brook

7. Florida

8. Maryland

9. Michigan

10. James Madison

11. Duke

12. Richmond

13. Boston College

14. Virginia

15. Denver

16. Virginia Tech

17. Navy

18. Penn State

19. Stanford

20. USC

Stony Brook, Maryland and Virginia too low... :-)

The rankings look pretty good except I would drop Cuse to 6 and move 4-6 up one. That said anyone else sick of Spallina's endless hype machine.

No fan of the hype machine but don’t think a #6 ranking is out of line, if anything they should be higher. Not sure ND belongs at 2. Virginia could be higher. Why Duke at 11?

IMHO we will see even less parity over the next few years. The strong will get stronger because they will be able to bring in transfers and 5th year players like never before. The top (college players) will flock to the best programs. This will also impact current high school players because college coaches will look to bring in more proven college players.

Can't see anyone outside the perennial Top 10 - 15 programs being able to break in, there just is not enough talent to go around. The best programs bring in the majority of the top players each and every year and now they will also be bringing in high end transfers not just the Under Armour All Americans. Transfer Portal + at least 3 classes of players with an extra year of eligibility will help the rich get richer.

Spallina while being an excellent coach is essentially a clown . Every year he sells the nonsense that his program is top 5 when they never are and worse he sells the story that he has the best player on the planet when he doesn’t . Even more annoying is the stunts he gets away with like having a player who had zero business being invited to to us team tryouts or touting a player as the best player in the country and one who should be what every young player aspired to be when in fact that player is one of the worse examples of sportsmanship and has been since high school . Sorry but character matters .

You do know they don’t vote themselves top 5 correct and as much as I don’t agree with it all I wish my daughters coach fought for her players . Also not hard to tell who is still feeling the scars from their daughter being a flop at the collegiate level or perhaps “over hyped “ your daughter left HS over hyped but that was ok ? Get over frustration with your daughters under achieving and you’ll be ok
Subject change never thought I’d say this but can’t wait to travel south every weekend to watch my daughter play it’s been too long

Pretty good list should be fun

After UNC and cuse and maybe a few others I think there is parity

Parity among the teams that are ranked between 5 -15, maybe between 5 - 20 annually. Teams outside of that group rarely compete with the top teams. The same 10 to 15 teams are there every year and then you have some that come and go. Although the sport continues to grow, it appears that the best players still end up at the best programs.

After UNC will be fun to watch Loyola cues SB NW FLorida MD shake out

First off thanks for the info on them not voting themselves top 5 captain obvious, that's why it says he "sells the nonsense" and the Inside Lacrosse staff buys into it. I can guarantee you my daughter was a more highly regarded player than your kid will ever be but your ignorant attempt to change the subject will not work. Yes I have a problem when his hype machine causes a more deserving player to miss out on something like a tryout for the US team or when he promotes a player who is a terrible teammate and shows poor sportsmanship on the field ,something he actively promotes.

Northwestern will be very good

I do agree lots of talented players at UNC. But I think one big issue that will play a major role is loss of assistant coach KD. They had a very close game with NW, and were just going to tough part of schedule when season cancelled LY. Time will tell and what team put the work in during break will show in the big games.

Should be a fun season. Let’s hope it happens with few delays.

I agree 100 % ,I don’t believe UNC has ever won a national championship with KD not running the offense . I would say they are still the most talented team in the country as they essentially bring their whole team back and will be better in the midfield ( which was their weak spot last year) with the addition of Miller and the return of Hillman but coaching matters . Look for them to struggle when they go out to ND as for some reason they seem to struggle with the trips to NW and ND . Look out for Loyola as they are one of those teams that are well coached and tend to fly under the radar . Which of the top teams will get a lift from their freshman .

Why would you state: "Look for them to struggle when they go out to ND as for some reason they seem to struggle with the trips to NW and ND"? UNC's record vs Notre Dame is 8 - 1 and although UNC's record vs Northwestern is 11 - 11 UNC has won 9 of the last 10 games vs Northwestern. Not a lot of struggling going on vs ND and NU...

To compare UNC to ND this year, actually any year is laughable. ND and Michigan are the two most overrated teams in women’s lacrosse!!

Why bring Michigan into this? Michigan had a very good year in 2019... maybe they will become a perennial Top 20 program. Notre Dame is a very good program but I would agree that they most years ND is overrated at the beginning of the season.

Is it your assertion that if you win it isn’t a struggle?

And you are giving overall records, not just the away records.... if you just want to argue, you have made your point.

I stated it because UNC has not won at ND since 2017 and the last time they played at ND they lost and honestly looked bad ( I happened to be at that game , UNC looked unprepared for an outdoor game that it was snowing at ) . Last year at NW again UNC especially the defense looked jet lagged or something , they won a close game but it was much closer than it should have been.

UNC has lost exactly one time to ND and that was in 2019. As far as Northwestern is concerned UNC has won 9 of the past 10 games says it all. Notre Dame and Northwestern are both excellent programs so I would not expect UNC to be blowing them out very often.

UNC is a Top 5 Program (some would argue Top 2) Northwestern is a Top 10 Program and Notre Dame is a Top 20 program.


Top 10 Ranking at the end of the season 2015 - 2019 (can't count 2020)

5x - Maryland
5x - North Carolina

4x - Boston College
4x - Princeton
4x - Syracuse

3x - Northwestern
3x - Stony Brook
3x - Florida
3x - Penn State

2x - Virginia
2x - Notre Dame
2x - Loyola
2x - Navy
2x - USC

1x - James Madison
1x - Penn
1x - Denver
1x - Stanford
1x - Duke
1x - Towson

Maryland, UNC, BC, Princeton, Syracuse, Northwestern, Stony Brook, Florida, Virginia and Penn are the only programs to finish the season ranked in the Top 20 from 2015 - 2019.

Notre Dame Finished 4 of the 5 years Ranked in the Top 20.

ND is a pretty darn good program, certainly one of the Top 15 - 20 so I am not surprise to see them upset a Top 5 Team.

Congratulations!

ILWomen 2021 Preseason All-Americans

First Team
A Emily Hawryschuk Gr. Syracuse
A Katie Hoeg R-Sr. North Carolina
A Jamie Ortega Sr. North Carolina
A Izzy Scane Jr. Northwestern
DR/A Maddie Jenner Jr. Duke
M Andie Aldave Sr. Notre Dame
M Ally Kennedy Gr. Stony Brook
M Kerrigan Miller Gr. North Carolina
D Lizzie Colson R-Sr. Maryland
D Ally Palermo Sr. Northwestern
D Emma Trenchard Sr. North Carolina
D Cara Trombetta Gr. Florida
G Bridget Deehan Sr. Notre Dame

Second Team
A Madison Ahern So. Notre Dame
A Charlotte North Sr. Boston College
A Taryn Ohlmiller Gr. Stony Brook
A Livy Rosenzweig Sr. Loyola
DR/A Caitlyn Petro R-Sr. UMass
M Molly Garrett Gr. Michigan
M Shannon Kavanagh Sr. Florida
M Sammy Mueller Gr. Northwestern
D Sarah Cooper Jr. Syracuse
D Kerry Defliese R-Sr. Syracuse
D Katie Detwiler Jr. Loyola
D Emma Schettig So. Notre Dame
G Kaitlyn Larsson Sr. Loyola


Third Team
A Brindi Griffin Gr. Maryland
A Lindsay McKone Gr. Northwestern
A Alyssa Parrella Sr. Hofstra
A Gabby Rosenzweig Gr. Duke
DR/M Brennan Dwyer Sr. Northwestern
M Kasey Choma So. Notre Dame
M Sam Fiedler Sr. Loyola
M Paige Petty Sr. Virginia Tech
D Sami Chenoweth Gr. Towson
D Shay Clevenger Jr. Loyola
D Callie Humphrey Gr. Duke
D Molly Little Gr. Denver
G Taylor Moreno Sr. North Carolina


Honorable Mention
A Megan Carney Jr. Syracuse
A Sam Geiersbach R-Sr. Richmond
A Lauren Gilbert Sr. Northwestern
A Scottie Rose Growney Sr. North Carolina
A Quintin Hoch-Bullen Sr. Denver
A Ashlyn McGovern R-Jr. Virginia
A Caitlin Muir Sr. Michigan
A Meaghan Tyrrell Jr. Syracuse
A Cara Urbank Gr. Boston College
A Emma Vinall Sr. American
DR/A Arden Tierney So. Richmond
M Caroline Blalock Sr. Louisville
M Jay Browne So. Stanford
M Savannah Buchanan Gr. Notre Dame
M Grace Griffin Sr. Maryland
M Brianna Harris R-Sr. Florida
M Jillian Wilson Jr. Loyola
D Emma Johnson R-Sr. James Madison
D Rachel Matey R-So. James Madison
D Kathleen Roe Gr. Notre Dame
G Molly Dougherty R-Jr. James Madison
G Angie Benson Gr. Virginia Tech
G Rachel Hall Jr. Boston College
G Riley Hertford Sr. USC
G Sarah Reznick R-So. Florida
G Jill Rizzo Gr. Ohio State
G Taylor Suplee Jr. Penn State

Congratulations. Good luck to all this year.
Can’t wait to watch some great games in 2021!

Pretty impressive for NY in that more than half of team 1 are NY and even more impressive are the amount of LI players .

Even more impressive is that 6 of them played for the same club team-2016 YJ Defo.

Sorry 4 from Team 1 and 2 from Team 2

2016 was a very strong class from Long Island. If I remember correctly there were 13 Under Armour All-Americans from The Island that year.

IWLCA Preseason Coaches Poll

1 North Carolina
2 Notre Dame
3 Syracuse
4 Loyola
5 Northwestern
6 Stony Brook
7 Maryland
8 Florida
9 Michigan
10 James Madison
11 Denver
12 Boston College
13 USC
14 Richmond
15 Duke
16 Virginia
17 Penn
18 Virginia Tech
19 Dartmouth
20 UMass
T-21 Navy
T-21 Penn State
23 Stanford
24 Colorado
25 Princeton

Just don't see Notre Dame or Loyola being better than Stony Brook, Maryland or Northwestern.

Just don't see Notre Dame or Loyola being better than Stony Brook, Maryland or Northwestern

Must not of watched much lax last year..

Pretty sure that nobody watched much lax last year...

Both ND and Loyola will be very good (as will Northwestern, Stony Brook and Maryland)

In the end, it will all come down to overall Team Defense and goalie play as it always does...

Good luck to all!

I wonder if many of the freshman will get as much opportunity this year as they might have in a regular year with a lot of 5th years staying? Was nice to see some LI freshman getting mentions in the USLacrosse preview articles. Good luck to all.

I see three Ivies in the top 25. Are all the student athletes playing? If I remember I saw that something like 15 Princton girls are not even in school.

IMHO It all depends on the caliber of program.... (and of to some extent the caliber of the athlete)... Much tougher for freshmen to break in at Top 10 caliber programs. That said, it really depends on how many "starters" have to be replaced from the previous year. Much easier for a freshman to beat out a "reserve player" than to beat out a returning starter. The 5th year players and "stud transfers" will make it more difficult for the freshmen who have to compete with them.

High caliber freshmen who may have slipped through the recruiting cracks and are now at a second tier program will most likely play from day one. Top recruits at Top 5 - 10 programs may not see the field right away.

Good luck to all and yes, nice to see Long Island Players getting some hype.

I only see 2 Ivy's