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That had to be a typo! The Stony Brook girl on the USA roster was ranked the 25th player in the Class of 2020? She never played a college game and her career achievement is being added to the Senior UA roster? Is this a joke or for real?

Daughters fall ball practices shut down most likely for semester. Many schools not doing anything I am really starting to believe we will not have a Spring season of any type[/quote]


At least they had some my daughters team has not had any actual full team practices

I am hearing The 2020 class to get another year for Spring sports, but only might be that class.

My daughter plays a fall sport in college and they will be playing in the spring but still get their year back

Winter sports are also getting an extra year of eligibility due to covid uncertainty, even if they play some form of a season. Spring sports got an extra year this past spring for a partial season, so seems possible they won't get a second year for covid. Makes sense that players not rostered in 2020 (i.e. 2020 hs grads) get the extra year, though, since they have been/will be impacted similarly to 2020-21 fall and winter sports. Otherwise I can see a lot of freshman choosing to redshirt this year, maybe even those who would get meaningful playing time. My daughter's team is already planning for a condensed game schedule. Why give up a year of eligibility for a shortened season that might be canceled part way through, or player gets covid and misses 2-3 weeks by the time she is cleared to return, and some teams have larger than normal rosters due to 5th year seniors making it harder to earn playing time.

Just a few interesting things on USA
-Splillana running the team obviously
-Fall classic Womens US vs Canada game 5-4 at half, final 16-6. Canada ran entire game. They will sure stall in 2021. No shot clock.
-Ortega who to me was big miss most likely didn’t apply as she was invited by Levy in June 2019, was not ask to come back to additional training teams.
-Hoeg who I feel is one of the best attacker in country at any level was never ask to a training team at all. Going to tryout.
-M Taylor very solid goalie left out.
-Jenner and Choma to me big misses for at least a tryout. US was dominated on draw.

Clear to me who had players back in this selection. detest him or like him he goes to bat for his players and who doesn’t.

Because there is more to life than lacrosse .

Think having a spring season seems unlikely in college with every state having different rules

Sorry questionable selection is ridiculous . Unethical , political , embarrassing but questionable gives it a chance at being legit . Simply put there is no way to justify this selection and puts a stain on the reputations of all involved. Let’s also realize her Inside Lax ranking along with her UA senior AA may also have been just as political , not sure those accolades add up with never being named US lax AA especially when her high school coach has obviously a lot of pull .

True, but there are a number of seniors who returned this year for a 5th year as grad students. There are current seniors already planning to use their extra year of eligibility in 2022. There are plenty of players who take a 5th or even 6th year due to injury. There are college freshman who plan to attend graduate school, add a minor or specialization, etc. who would love to continue playing while they do it. There will be some who want to be done with college after four years and move on, but I think many players who love the sport would consider redshirting this year in hopes of four years of lacrosse that are more normal.

Another hater trying to diminish a players accomplishments. I have not seen a single post of anyone trying to justify the selection but have noticed some post attacking the player and attempting to tear the player down and belittle her accolades.
Typical jealous parent who hates it when someone other than their daughter is recognized.

This selection was certainly questionable but there is absolutely no reason to make cowardly attacks. I guess there will always be haters who hide behind their keyboard attacking young women and trying to elevate their daughter by tearing down others.

Football found a way because of large network and conference network money.

Nope. Sorry. They found a way because they wanted to and came up with work arounds and put protocols in place that seem to be working.

"Typical jealous parent and cowardly attacks" Yes mom and dad, you are right. 21 year old super star college NCAA First Team All-Americans who have proven themselves are jealous of little Sally who has done nothing in high school and not played a college game yet. They are upset because they earned it and were passed on due to your daughters coaches politics. Stop lecturing us and just say thank you to your coach and move on. Politics happen.

Again you are too ignorant to understand questionable gives it some legitimacy which it had none . No jealousy just disgust that a player who has not earned this honor is taking the place of someone who has . Sorry the player applied for a women’s team knowing full well she did not deserve it and the fix was in . She has earned all the attention she is getting on these boards . The coach should be removed for abusing his position .

Are you that dense? Nobody said that a 21 year old NCAA 1st Team All-American was jealous... Oh, and BTW... it is highly unlikely that the parents of the player in question are on here responding to your nonsense.

I think the point of the post that you are responding to was that "nobody" (except the people who made the decision) agrees with the selection. Some of us just don't see the point of trying to knock the player (because she did not select herself). You have made it personal and continue to attack the player as having "done nothing" in her HS career (which is obviously false). You are obviously bitter and that's okay. Personally, I just don't like reading anonymous, unsubstantiated attacks on players.

“Are you that dense? Nobody said that a 21 year old NCAA 1st Team All-American was jealous... Oh, and BTW... it is highly unlikely that the parents of the player in question are on here responding to your nonsense.

I think the point of the post that you are responding to was that "nobody" (except the people who made the decision) agrees with the selection. Some of us just don't see the point of trying to knock the player (because she did not select herself). You have made it personal and continue to attack the player as having "done nothing" in her HS career (which is obviously false). You are obviously bitter and that's okay. Personally, I just don't like reading anonymous, unsubstantiated attacks on players.”


Your bitter /jealousy response is ignorant. If they had selected an actual deserving player people would not be saying anything about the selections . Again you try to justify the selection by using questionable and saying the “people who made the decision “ actually agree with it when in fact the person ( Spallina) knows it’s unethical but just does not care because he has enough sycophants like you telling him how wonderful he is .
As far as the parents being on here I can guarantee that’s more likely than a player who has not played an actual lacrosse game in 22 months ,has never played a college game ,never been a US lax AA, never the best player on her team and did not make the U19 team getting an invite to tryout for the women’s national team .

As far as what you personally like no one cares and saying unsubstantiated just shows your lack of a grasp of the English language .

She is a good player, she wouldn’t be playing at SBU if she wasn’t. However, to get an invitation for a try-out for this team is questionable at best. She has not done anything to prove she earned this, while many others have. I guess the saying, “it’s not what you know it’s who you know” stands true in this situation.

The focus needs to be on Spallina, Levy and Frank. They are the coaches and the select the kids with final say. Selection committee is I am sure a bunch of no names. At the end the coaches have no ethics or didn’t do the job of review.

Some better be careful of where they currently are at right now. The Gtown program fell off the rails when RF decided to coach USA, and asst lost her job at BU. Takes a ton of time away from regular duty at their school. History will tell you not good combination

Only football came up with the "work arounds and put protocols in place"? That makes no sense. Then every sport would be playing using those protocols. Even after cancelling their fall seasons the PAC12 and Big Ten came back to football seeing the money left on the table. This is an excerpt from the New York Times article about why football is being played:

"The decisions by the leagues — some publicly unflinching, others openly deliberating from one month to the next — carry enormous implications for college athletics. By playing football, even without every stadium packed with fans, schools across the country will collectively earn hundreds of millions of dollars from broadcast rights and sponsorships that will prop up budgets that had been threatened with severe cuts."

Power conference football is a huge money generating college sport. They are not playing a lot football at lower conferences because there is no network money. Don't be surprised if winter sports are cancelled by power conferences too--except mens basketball.

Oh really. ..,. Wrong.....See you should have googled before you answered. ....NCAA study in 2019 found only 20 of 1,000 college football teams were profitable. Many lower conference football is being played. Now..... do your homework and find out how many college basketball programs are profitable. The # will surprise you.

There are 674 collegiate football programs; 257 Division I, 167 Division II and 250 Division III. The "study" you note highlighted the top 20 most profitable programs as the result of legislation in some states to pay players (California leading the way). The 20th team made $28 million; I don't think #21 was in the red. Football is the number one generator of revenue which is passed along to other sports programs (for the Big East its basketball). The vast majority of D1 programs are profitable but here is the 20 noted in the 2019 NCAA report (which was not a "study"; each school must report to the NCAA the revenue and expenses for every sport every year):

Texas – $92 million
Tennessee – $70 million
LSU – $58 million
Michigan – $56 million
Notre Dame – $54 million
Georgia – $50 million
Ohio State – $50 million
Oklahoma – $48 million
Auburn – $47 million
Alabama – $46 million
Oregon – $40 million
Florida State – $39 million
Arkansas – $38 million
Washington – $38 million
Florida – $37 million
Texas A&M – $37 million
Penn State – $36 million
Michigan State – $32 million
USC – $29 million
South Carolina – $28 million

Basketball has more games but lower margins so again, most D1 programs are profitable. Louisville is the perennial #1 in this regard with profits over $40 million.

EDIT-You may be referencing the NCAA Annual report which represents 1,100 schools and ALL sports.

Cmon.... you went with the Athnet stats that didn’t mention EXPENSES. Sooo... I will give a few...

Texas-revenue-$224M. Expenses-$205M
Texas A&M-rev $212M. Expenses-$170M
Ohio State-rev-$210M. Expenses-$221M
Michigan-rev-$198M. Expenses-$191M
Georgia-rev-$174M. Expenses-$143M
Penn State-rev-$164M. Expenses-$160M
Alabama-rev-$164M. Expenses-$185M

I won’t list all 227 listed by NCAA.

Anyhow NCAA study admits that the college accounting Fromm school to school is not uniform.

Now ...... you have proven my point. There are 893 college football programs spanning Div 1, Div 2, Div 3, NAIA, NJCAA. On low side say 20 are PROFITABLE that represents approx 2%. Let’s say 40 are PROFITABLE that represents 4%. We can continue with the simple math. But the facts are most football programs don’t turn a profit. The statement that these football programs bankroll all the other sports programs at a college is just false except for a small percentage.

You can google numerous articles about why have college sports. As you can see approximately 95% of colleges subsidize their athletics. Why??? To summarize here are a few reasons
Enrollment-many non student athletes choose a college because of game day social activity
Branding-school spirit and fan loyalty
Long term fan support and alumni camaraderie.
Sense of unity and pride among fans and alumni.
Revenue
Overall student experience.

This conversation began with football finding a way to play within the current covid nonsense rules. football found a way to play and it should be a template for other college sports to find a way to play. As indicated above college athletics touches many students other than the student athlete. In addition colleges recruited athletes of all sports to come to their college. College admin and AD’s should be finding ways to play not sit on their hands and tell student athletes sorry... season cancelled. Again... football did.

Quoting a New York Times article does not help your case.

Yes, 100% on the coaches. Not sure that I agree with the assertion that coaching Team USA will have a negative impact on a coach or their program. Like him or not, JS is an excellent coach I'm sure he will be fine. North Carolina will always be one of the Top Programs simply because of all that the school has to offer.

Good luck to all who were selected to tryout for the US Team.

Originally US Lacrosse indicated that they would select 72 players to be invited to the US Team Tryouts, the actual number invited was cut to 50. Does anyone know why they reduced the number? Does anyone know how many players applied? I remember they said more than 500 players applied for the U19 team and they invited just over 100 to the tryouts. Obviously, there are a number of very well known current players who were not on the list of invitees. Did many not apply?

It does when the school officials state that revenue was a major factor for football's return

I have enjoyed our discussion and should have used revenue as the major reason to bring back football, not profit. As you state accounting practices vary and even a Hollywood blockbuster does not show a profit, so revenue is more likely the culprit.

"College admin and AD’s should be finding ways to play not sit on their hands and tell student athletes sorry... season cancelled. Again... football did". Lets bring this back to lacrosse. Administrator and AD's are allowing football to play; football programs are not operating outside the schools. The AD's and administration are allowing the football teams to play, not the other way around. So administrators and AD's have found a way. The question is why hasn't it been applied to all sports equally? I would like your opinion on that because lacrosse, women's lacrosse, while we love the sport (I had an All-American daughter) is not a high priority for many schools. Why are administrations and AD's sitting on their hands? I have stated my opinion (money), which you don't agree with, so I ask yours.

That is what makes it tougher

By giving the freshmen and extra year of sports in fall and winter, and the are actually playing there season The NCAA will have to give the freshmen Spring sports and extra year.

As you we now know in America if we do it for one,
We have to do it for ALL.

This way if you look at really only one group was lost that was seniors of Winter sports last year. Not bad. As Fall player there season and Winter played 80 percent of it.

Well it looks like D1 will announce soon that at least freshmen will get another year for Spring 2021 sports, if not all players potentially. The D2 and D3 councils just approved this week for all participants in spring 21.

I think you will see a lot of players transferring in summer if season doesn’t count against eligibility time. Just like Fall and Winter sports who have already been granted this relief. We knew that was going to happen based on Spring sports giving in Spring 2020.

Time will tell...

Lets just hope there is a spring.

"MIT became the latest NCAA Division III program to cancel its winter seasons because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

On Monday, MIT cancelled all winter varsity sports competition, which will impact men’s and women’s swimming and diving, men’s and women’s basketball, fencing, rifle, squash, and men’s and women’s indoor track and field.

In addition, the New England Women’s and Men’s Athletic Conference (NEWMAC) Presidents Council voted unanimously to suspend conference play and championships for the 2020-21 winter sports season due to the Covid-19 pandemic."

I watched the SBU team scrimmage and I am wondering what anyone else thought . My observations for what it’s worth .
Positives are this looks to be the best team SBU has ever had . They have some high end players T.O. , AK, K Huff, with more depth than they have had in the past . The goalie play looks above average and you know Spallina with have his zone defense ready .
The negatives are that they play such a weak schedule that not sure they will be battle tested for the multiple difficult games it takes in the tournament . It’s obvious JS plays favorites even with the calls he makes as a ref which can create some chemistry issues and most likely is the cause of so many players transferring out.
Side note it was obvious his selection ( make no mistake it was his selection) for the US team was just wrong , I am sure she is a good freshman player but looked to be not a top 4 midfielder or top 8 player on her own team .

The team has depth. Pulis, Kennedy and TO are high end. Goalie above average. Kids play hard. No opinion on defense because he will never play man. JS was not happy red team won and it annoyed him to give Accettella MVP. His attempt to hype the USA kid made him look foolish. He will use the weak schedule to promote his favorites. He plays favorites but some non-favorites are better than his early picks. Nice to watch lacrosse. JS is a media addict and found a way to get his hit.

Daughter plays at an ivy and was told this week they are not optimistic they will have an IVY season

Watched was very very impressed and I am not an SB Fanboy They could very well have the best team they have had. Funny you say that because my daughter and I thought it looked like HE wanted the Red to win Took away two white goals and called a few charges on kenedy. Take away all the detest that is spewed on here what they JS and crew did was awesome more schools should do it or something similiar

Have they figured out the draw? .. I felt that was their biggest weakness during the recent tournament runs.. they could never get one when they needed it.

With financial crisis at schools will cutting football be the way out

I agree with the above observation on SB. Fast and athletic team. JS will need to play zone as offenses were very strong but D obviously not coached on man to man defense.

AK, TO, KH looked very good. As noted goalies looked good stopping many on the door step shots.

As for freshmen USA player she didn’t start of JS, and wasn’t on midfield much. Not going to comment on her ability. Again not her issue for being selected. It is USA Head Coach Spallina and asst
Coach Levy issue. They know what they did and was on purpose.

Is there any word of dead period extending beyond January 1 think people have learned to live a little and kids need to get on campuses LEGALLY

Tournament runs? Did I miss something? What tournament runs?