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The majority of holdbacks are not playing ON AGE. The majority are playing down.

They wouldn’t be holdbacks if they were on age. Holdbacks don’t play up either. Go back to Lacrosse Cheats 101 please.

Also holdbacks are prevalent in hoops and football where kids get full rides. Check out the ages on typical high level WCAC player at one of the big 4 programs.

Top 10 2022's
Rest of the 5* 2022's
First wave of 4* 2022's

So an on-age 2022 should be born after September 1st, 2003. That would make them turning 18 during the 2021-2022 school year.

Looking at the top 10, four of them are playing down. Only one from MD! Now note that the top prospect has an early birthday, but in his defense he's generally played up two years (with 2020's). So I'll give him a pass. Plus, he's a June 2003, so it's not a huge stretch there.

Among the rest of the 5* players (12 total), four of them are playing down. Again, only one from MD!

From the first wave of 4* players (13 total), eight are playing down, and again, only one from MD!

From what I can tell, the majority of them so far are borderline... June, July, or August birthdays. I'm not going to hold too much against them either. And unless I know they did a pre-high school year, I'm not going to give too much grief to parents about starting Kindergarten late. There are lots of things that factor into that. Plus, I see no kids that are two years ahead (birthdays between September, 2001 and August, 2002).

If your on-age kid is really "elite," he should have no problem hanging with kids that have been held back, whatever the reason. I think most of the whining about holdbacks is from parents who think their kid is elite, but think holdbacks are pushing their kid out of D1 opportunities. I think there are a few legitimately concerned about safety... heck, my kid played on a team that played a lot of teams that had a bunch of holdbacks and was on-age, plus he was late-onset puberty. So I totally get the whole 4-10 attacker against the 6'2 pole in 8th grade. But he got better for it. And he'll get more academic money at a solid D3 school than many of these kids will get athletic money at D1 schools. So I'm OK with it.

You can be ok with anything..Rest of us are not at youth level. Bottom line is according to you.. 16 out of 35 are holdbacks ! They couldnt make it on age .... That is the OK thing with these holdbacks. Quick look at rest and there are very few March and beyond 2004's. Thesec palyers are 2023 now. What a joke. Spin away, holdbacks play down to get an advantage other on age kids dont. Rules should be anyone that wants irregardless of grade can play down a year.

Bottom line Holding back works and will continue at youth and beyond. Expect more of same.

You realize you are talking about holdbacks on a high school thread? It's not against the rules anywhere.

as mentioned earlier none of the kids on the IL list took their advantage in youth

But the holdbacks didnt do that?? So why should my son?? LOL.. Holdback logic is always interesting.

The elite holdbacks on the IL list still played club on age or even up. They heldback for high school, but they also played varsity as Freshman ("Sophomores") so again played against older kids up to this year.

What's the Maryland club commit list look like?

Hero's - Navy (2) William and Mary (1)
M&D - Maryland (1) Stanford (1)
MD United Navy (1)

Skywalkers - UVA (1)

https://sportsrecruits.com/

Based off of the commitments so far it appears that those that played at the Juniors Open deserved to be there. So much for the theory that the best players weren’t invited.

Theory? Stupidity comes easy to you it looks like. Majority of those players did belong but there was many of the top players in the country who were not. It’s not debatable.

Who has dates/times on the fall leagues that are supposed to start this weekend and next week? Why is everything so late and seems to be disorganized?
Baltimore
Annapolis
Kent Island
HoCo

Maybe because we are in the middle of a world wide pandemic.

19/22 Inside Lacrosse Magazine's 5-stars were on the rosters at the Juniors Open. Four kids couldn't go because of injury but were rostered. It was likely the best assembly of talent we have ever seen.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...tar-prospects-in-the-class-of-2022/56823

Because D- bag tied to Inside Lacrosse was looped I’m financially.

This guy is such an expert that what he says is “not debatable”. stunad

So are High Schools getting together and putting teams in these Fall Anne Arundel and Howrd leagues or are the club teams putting their teams in... From what I have seen it looks like High School teams are putting teams together for Fall under different names.....Seems like Club teams are sticking to events and tournaments in the fall but I could be wrong..... Things change by the minute it may seem

Anyone have info on Prostart?

Spin away,,,,They are being recruited as Holdbacks, not competing and being recuited against other on age 2021's. Let all the 2021's who didnt get held back drop down, different story. Spin away.

The HOCO league is club teams - like normal. The MLL has turned into a weird hybrid where kids register individually and the league has created teams. They've tried to keep kids together with high school teamates though so each team will have a bunch of kids from the same school with some add ins.

It's mostly St. Mary's kids - right?

umm look on the Prostart website and get all the info you need? Or request one of the looney bin fellows a few threads up that has a list appareantly has every top high school kid in the nation on a spread sheet and can tell you what tournament and ranking they are or should be-

^^^^ That’s funny^^^^

Spalding's Principal and Vice Principal were fired ?? Could be a rough year

This will have zero impact on lacrosse or any of the sports at Spalding 🙄

The Maryland Lacrosse League screwed up with their Baltimore High School League. They initially planned on having three separate divisions (MIAA, Public, and Open). But there apparently wasn't enough interest so they grouped them all together into the Open division. The problem is that instead of mixing the kids up they allowed high school teams to stay together. Nothing like having Varsity MIAA teams playing teams made up of a mix of underclassmen, public school kids, and random individual registered kids. I'm not sure anyone benefits from the team disparity - other than some kids who want to show off their BTB shots in blow out games.

Not so sure about that statement... The word on the street is that they were fired for being involved in grade changing with athletes from the Football and Lacrosse teams.

Spalding's gonna Spalding.

Lots 2022 commits so far any surprises??

With the dead period being extended out to January 1, any reason to wait for in person coaches meetings is gone. Now its just a matter of getting offers and choosing among them. Folks forget this is a game of musical chairs. Aside from programs that keep some $$ in reserve for late bloomers and/or poaching, most of the scholarship money goes early.

Positive cases among students at Spalding and the school has halted in-person learning.

Despite attempts in recent years to put lipstick on it that place is, and always has been, a Glen Burnie dumpster fire.

2 cases in a school of 1,000+ students. That is a .2% positivity rate or 15 times below the state average. There will be cases of Covid when schools open just like there are cases of the flu every year.

So the lacrosse is still practicing and playing in the AACO fall league as the dingers?

Who is this dude with such a hard on for ripley and spalding? Go worry about your own kid as much as you obsess about spalding weirdo

Any updates as to why the principal and vice principal were fired?

Who cares? This is a lacrosse forum, not Peyton Place

Great answer lol

Get yer 1/12 early or miss out!

Yes, due to drama queen people like you !