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Still missing the mark on this club lacrosse thing. Wins, losses and the score of games is irrelevant, always has been. Compare the following two statements, tell me which one the YJ player cares about... Hey congrats on your acceptance to Harvard, or, hey remember three summers ago when my club team beat yours by 2 goals. That should probably clear it up for you.

Looks like they just got a third YJ 2021.

Not only did they land three, but three among the very top players on the team. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out with many girls opting to head west the last few years. It used to be a top girl here and there, recently much more common. The PAC12 will get more and more competitive moving forward.

Exactly... and soon some mommies and daddies will see if little suzy was over rated. That goes for all by the way.

I really don't think that ANY of the parents whose daughters land at a top school will ever give a second thought to if there daughter was over or under rated. Gee, she was over rated, but here we are at Stanford, pass me another glass of champagne please.

While I would agree that the recruiting process does put things in perspective in terms of where a player actually stands. Do you really need to be such a hammerhead?

Think they were replying to the “missing the mark” comment, not the Stanford commit. But maybe not???

I took as they were insinuating that some parents who think their daughter is a high end player were going to get a wake up call when their daughter does not get any offers from the top programs.

That's why the quote function is helpful. Not that difficult.

Seems like Cali is the place to go, If you are a standout player you’ll be able to make actual money from endorsements in a few years!

West Coast = Best Coast?

True, but tell that to the superstar that rides the bench for 4 years...just tell her, honey, your getting a great education...parents see it, kids take a litttle longer...i agree still the right call though. But tough on kids who were the go to kids their whole lives, some can handle it, some cant.

Define superstar.

The reality is: In women's lacrosse the majority of the top tier HS players do not ride the bench for four years. This myth about "HS superstars" riding the bench is promulgated repeatedly on this site and it simply is not true. Apparently many parents believe that their daughter is a "superstar" and when the offers from top tier programs don't come they try to knock the players that do get the offers from the best programs.

With a 2021 of my own, I noticed over the years that this thread was always pretty quiet. Now that it has become more active, it's nice to see that it's generally positive, with helpful advice being shared. Hopefully it will stay that way through the final year.

+1

At UMD there will be 10 All American Superstars that never see the field. That is a fact because on the roster are 44 legit high school super stars and everybody's all American. Those girls on the bench I'm sure would thrive at most other top 25 schools but they chose to compete at the very highest talent pool. only 10 girls on the field at a time...

It was the same on the 2020 thread. Once the girls start to commit and the parents realize where their daughter stands based on what the college coaches think everyone comes down to reality and remains quiet.

Well, that's just crazy talk. Are you new here?

Could not be more wrong. And this not meant to be that negative post but if you have been following 2020s it goes down as the worst group of online mud slingers ever. Goes back to when that group was in 3rd grade and the TopGuns black team reigned supreme and it was an all out brawl with Yellowjacket supporters . It was way worse and uglier than the 2023 group, if that is possible? Of course BOTC was under different ownership back then and there was no moderater. They do a very good job to try to keep it clean. Think about No moderator for a minute? I have been reading posts since day one of this website, goes back to 2012agegroup I think. Since right before Top Guns was created and have had multiple kids relevant to almost all age groups up or down a year or two, so have followed many of the age groups through the years. Anyone who has been around since the beginning of the 2020 group will certainly agree, while a very deep group in talent (that’s my positive comment on this) , a train wreck in every other aspect. But you are correct about 2021, for the most part it has been well behaved group, 2022 as well. I am sure that will continue. Good luck to all recruits in this age group!

At this point, if my daughter has not heard from a program, should she take that to mean that she will never hear from them?

Beg to differ... went back and took a look. Seems it died down right after the crazy parents got early committments for daughters, before the rule change. Wonder if any are regtetting those early committments now.

Nope dead on

Well it depends. Has she been emailing coaches, working out in the off season, going to camps, and keeping her grades up? Top 10 teams are mostly done I would imagine. Other programs haven’t even started with 21’s as they aren’t even done with 20’s (very few D1’s, more D2/many D3’s). Be patient, remain positive, and try to enjoy the process. Visit campuses and have your daughter reach out to coaches prior to coming.

Not exactly fact.

Currently Maryland has 39 on the roster which is above their norm.

Lets take a look at the freshmen classes form 2016 and 2017 and see how they have done.

Below is Freshmen Class of 2016. 9 Freshmen (7 were Under Armor All-American, 2 were not)


---------------------Freshmen 2016-----------------
-----------Under Armor All-Americans and how they did at Maryland----------

Megan Taylor..............DIAll-American - Tewaaraton Award - National Player of the Year.
Julia Braig...................DI All-American - National Defender of the Year.
Caroline Steele...........DI All-American
Shelby Mercer.............DI All-American
Jen Giles.....................DI All-American
Megan Doherty:..........Starts Every Game
Kelsey Cummings.......Reserve Player

--------------Non-Under Armour AA's and how they did--------

Marissa Donoghue..........Plays in just about Every Game So, Jr, Sr years.
Katherine Golladay..........Reserve Player



Below is Freshmen class of 2017. 9 Freshmen (6 were Under Armour All-Americans , 3 were not)


----------------------Freshmen 2017-----------------------
-----------Under Armor All-Americans - Current Seniors and how they have done so far-------

Kali Hartshorn..................DI All-American.
Lizzi Colson......................DI All-American.
Brindi Griffin.....................NCAA All-Tournament Team - started and or played every game for 4 years.
Hannah Warther................Played in every game in 2019 - missed 2018 injury.
Natalie Miller.....................Has been a reserve player.
Niki Sliwak........................Has been a reserve player.

--------------Non-Under Armor AA's-----------------

Julia Salandra.....................Has been a reserve player.
Andrea Mctaggart...............Has been a reserve player.
Victoria L'insalata................Has been a reserve player.

Total 18 Recruits over two years. 13 were Under Armour All-Americans (or as you say superstars).

Out of the 13 superstars:

7 Became Division I All-Americans (including a Tewaaraton, Player of the Year and The National Defender of the Year).
4 Played in just about every game (including one who made the NCAA All-Tournament team and another who made the IL All-Rookie team).
3 reserve players.

Out of the 5 non-superstars:

1 became a regular player.
4 reserve players.

By the way.... Every single one of those players is either still playing or graduated last year after four years of playing No, 50% did not quit.
By the way.... Most of the "superstars" did not ride the bench or disappear in college.

By the way.... Yes, I am retired.

Wow! Somebody has a lot of free time looking up meaningless information! It's woman lacrosse, nobody cares, except mommy and daddy!

That's not really true about the top 10 school. UNC only has 2 commits. Florida only has 3. Northwestern only has 1. While MD, Stanford and UVA have quite a few there are still a lot of spots out there. The last girl that I would say was in most everyone's top tier committed to Stanford tonight. Now that the top tier is pretty much done the schools are regrouping to bring in the next tier.

However, most of these coaches would probably have let you know if you are in their second tier. If your're emailing and calling and they aren't calling you back it's probably a bad sign.

couldn't agree more on the 2020's. What a toxic age group. And many with the biggest mouths are playing are the very bottom college programs and many with zero money. That's why everyone quiets down when they finally realize that Maryland isn't in their daughters future but rather Delaware State

Obviously you care. If you don't care, then why are you on this site making comments? Are you not a mother or a father of a player? If you are not then you should really get some help. To your point though, I do have a lot of free time. If you are pressed for time or have to go answer to somebody then may I suggest that you stop wasting it perusing this site and its meaningless information.

Why do you attack the poster who presents facts that differ from the narrative that so many want to advance on this site.

Why not attack the post that spewed out the BS?

Since you have plenty of time, can you give us the top 50 incoming fr lists for those 2 years, and while your at it, the 2 previous years for upperclassman...36 on a team, 12 play. Thanks in advance

That is hilarious. You got caught with your pants down spewing B.S. with no facts behind it. This person calls you out by doing the work and giving you a fact-based response and now that you look like a fool you give a laughable response. Crawl back under a rock with your tail between your legs and kudos to this person for taking the time to research this.

That's a BadPerson response, Thank you to the person who put this together.. its interesting to see how things shake out especially at the top program..

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That's not really true about the top 10 school. UNC only has 2 commits. Florida only has 3. Northwestern only has 1. While MD, Stanford and UVA have quite a few there are still a lot of spots out there. The last girl that I would say was in most everyone's top tier committed to Stanford tonight. Now that the top tier is pretty much done the schools are regrouping to bring in the next tier.

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The top schools have still not completed their 2021 class, and we are at about 6 weeks in since September 1, I am honestly a little surprised by the pace of this as I think i expected to hear more about the midnight phone call or knocks on the door.
From the outside ( i have a 2022) it looks like there will be plenty of time to make visits, watch fall ball, have several conversations, meet the team etc etc. before any handshakes take place..

Also a parent of a 2022. Is there a particularly good source for these commitments? We see some but curious which schools are moving faster than others.

Inside lacrosse Top 50 Incoming freshmen fall 2017:

11 were named Division I All - Americans
7 were named All-Conference
15 start and or play in just about every game.
12 have been reserve players through their sophomore year.
4 sustained injury
1 redshirted as freshman I do not believe is on 2020 roster.

Maryland had the most with 5 players.
UNC
ND
Princeton
Hopkins
Syracuse
UVA
Stanford
USC
Duke
Florida
PSU
Northwestern
Loyola
BC
All had multiple players.

through sophomore year (of the 45 players who are playing no injuries) looks like this group is doing pretty well. They are playing at the most competitive programs and competing.

Agreed - thank you for taking the time to do the research and make a point using FACTS. I wish I was retired too ...

Not the original poster, but nothing for nothing, poster gave us two years of facts for best team in the country...pretty small sample size, no? It also fits their narrative. Most, if not all of those kids were high top 50 incoming freshman, top 50 would be considered stars.

So, looks like 33 of the 45 (how have not been hindered by injury) are playing in just about every game at the top programs and many are receiving honors, AA, AC.

If there is going to be a second surge of interest, as the top 25 programs realize that they will not get all of the top girls they wanted, it can't happen soon enough in my opinion. All summer I was thinking that this process would be over before the November tournaments. There are girls holding offers and anxiously hoping that their top schools, or schools higher on their lists, will contact them. At some point, their hands will be forced. At the same time, there are very strong schools (at least academically) that appear to be getting off to a very, very slow start with the process. My 2c is that this leads to a lot of decommitting and poaching down the road. The Stanfords of the world have done a very good job of locking up talent quickly.

Stanford up to 8 in the Class of 2021

Inside lacrosse Top 50 (IL only listed 49... there was no #39) Incoming Freshmen fall 2018:

quick look

2 were All-Americans (the only two freshmen to earn AA Honors).
aprox 24 started and or played in every game.
aprox 17 were reserve players.
4 - 6 injuries.

I did not check but I'm sure there were some All-Conference, All-Rookie etc...

Maryland and Syracuse had the most players with 5.

UNC
Florida
Duke
BC
Princeton
Notre Dame
Loyola
UVA
USC
All had multiple players.