BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019

You meant wolf pack up and go

Amen - perfect response!

Madlax 2024:

100% 2023 and 2022 age holdbacks, with the following exceptions:

Holdback Players from the 2023 Madlax team who play on the 2024 team, and 2023 holdback players from other teams such as the DC Dogs. All of these 2023 “guest” players should be rising sophomores, but they are rising freshman.

All of this information comes from players on the 2024 team, who brag about it incessantly on social media. They are very much proud of this, apparently.

Ask your kids about this. A lot of them are aware of it

Wolfpackup and go home! Play in age based tournaments if you think your kids can't hack grade-based. Can't wait to hear your excuses in high school.

It is different in high school at the junior & senior level. Kids, by that time, have grown & gone through puberty. At this level, when you have an older 14 year old kid playing against young 13 year olds or even 12 year olds, its not fair. The older 14 year old will prevail everytime just through speed & size - talent doesn't matter.

2024 should be 12 & 13 year olds.


No one willing to answer the Madlax age question?

There is no point for anyone from Maryland to respond. You all have your minds made up and facts will not matter.

Also, please keep loosing your cool on the sidelines. It's great to see how the LI parents' constant yelling cause their boys to focus less on the game and more on the "injustice" of playing a team with some boys with Summer birthdays. (Yes, that is the fact.) The LI parents constantly cost their teams close games. If you all stayed quiet and just yelled positive support, your teams might not be mentally beat so much.

Also, if you pay your coaches to coach, why do you coach your sons' from the sidelines? Shouldn't the boys learn to listen to their coaches and make their own decisions on the field. Daddy yelling "slide" and "drive" is not helpful.

can not anwser the Question because we had to Pack up and GO.. the sun is out and a little tired.. WAH WAH WAH

I also think it is sad that the parents and kids feel "burn out" in 7th grade. Or, we have accomplished all "we" felt we needed to at WSYL and did not want to play in the NLF?? If your kids are burned out or feel satisfied with 7th grade accomplishments then that should be a concern. This current trend of year round high level high pressure youth sports is still a new trend maybe 15 years old?? I would be afraid of the "peaked in 7th grade" effect.

I get the age- vs. grade- based differences in clubs and tourneys. My question is: what proof is offered/required?

I could see why an academically deficient kid born a year (or two) before showing up to play, or parents deliberately changing a kid's grade.

What proof then is there for boys that, say, arrive to play with the 7th grade team and then go back to their 9th grade classes during the week? Do they just have them say "I'm a 7th grader" to get by for the weekend?

We've answered your question several times. You simply don't like the answer. It is a grade based tournament. You want to check ages, enter age based tournaments.

Here is the answer from the madlax instagram account to this trolling line of questioning.
"In the United States & Canada elite teams play in the best events as grade based teams. That will not change as colleges recruit by grade. No college coach in the world checks date of birth when they recruit our Madlax boys. We will never deny we have re-classed players on our teams but we play by the rules so it makes no sense to even discuss age. By 12th grade most top lacrosse club teams nationally have up to 15 re-classed players on their teams. So, please just stop discussing age and making excuses in attempt to make the 2024 team accomplishments seem any less incredible." -gomadlax ig account

No you didn't answer my question.

I did not ask about checking ages.
I asked about checking grade level.

Are older boys in these grade-based games truly "reclassed"?
Or does that get faked on occasion as well?
It would seem simple at a tournament to just pretend they were held back in school to make the lower grade team, and then send them back to school like a normal kid on age with classmates.

The answer would be the same. If you want ages or grades checked you’ll have to do that through the specific tournament. If you don’t like the answer they give you, don’t enter. It’s just that simple. An anonymous forum isn’t going to help you.

It’s understood no rules are broken. Its a notIntelligent rule. That’s why every other sport does it the rite way. It’s youth lacrosse and older kids should beat younger kids. Gloating about how your son’s 14,15 year old team beats on 12,13 year old teams seems pretty lame don’t you think.

Now that’s some funny stuff!

Here’s the problem. There are no rules to be broken because, effectively, there are no rules. And if there ever were rules it wouldnt matter because there is no governing body to enforce any rules except for the clubs that run the tournaments who are the reason there are no rules. There will always be completely unethical teams like Madlax until there is a governing body over youth lacrosse. To date, there is none. The result: complete chaos. Imagine our society without a government that establishes rule/laws and law enforcement to enforce those laws. There would be a lot of “Madlax’s” out there destroying our society if there weren’t laws and police to enforce them. But that is exactly what we have in club youth lacrosse. The Wild Wild West of lacrosse. No governing body to make the rules and no law enforcement agency to enforce the laws.

15 holdbacks per team?? Are you kidding me!! This Madlax parent/stalker of the LI thread would love you to think what they are doing at Madlax is the norm in youth lacrosse. This is yet another bold face lie, just like all of his claims including the one where he claimed (for several years) that Madlax had absolutely no holdbacks. He swore up and down that the team had none. Well everyone now knows that was one huge lie. In fact we now know that in all likelihood, Madlax cheats in so many different ways, not just your basic holdback situation. This guy is a troll stalker with a sick obsession over a kid’s team. This is one very messed up guy or gal. Think about his statement. It’s literally impossible for basically any public school to have 15 holdbacks on one lacrosse team. To get that many, a coach would have to recruit holdbacks. That obviously doesn’t happen in public schools. For private schools that number could be a little higher mostly due to PG’s, but not much higher. They could potentially have a “few”. Since in MD there are so many holdbacks, it stands to reason that their numbers would skew a little higher than the national average, but still no where near the number he states. That number is simply his made up justification for madlax’s well documented cheating practices. On Ling Island, and most areas in the country, most top HS teams have one or possibly two holdbacks. But by junior year in HS, the advantage of the hold has been completely eliminated for most if not all holdbacks. But that’s a different topic.

Yes. This happens. I’ve seen it many times. Guy, please understand, there are no rules in club lacrosse. Not just saying that to sound like a wise guy. There just aren’t. It’s the way it is. Clubs make and enforce the rules who are the same people who make big profits by breaking the so called rules. Why would they enforce any rules, if by breaking them they are able to maximize profits? No business is going to sacrifice profit, if they can control it, which in this case they can. No rules and no enforcing of any rules. The way it is.

Yes. Gloating at any level, any sport, and any age is lame. I totally agree.

US lacrosse does a nice job with there tourneys. U15 national championship is a great tourney. they also run U13 & U14 national championship in Philly. great age based tourneys that don't get the support from all of the big boys ( especially the biggest whiners Wolfpack ) 3 great tourneys with a national governing body. lets see who shows up next year

Wolfpackup and go home. Or play in age based tournaments. Either way, just shut up. It’s fun to see how the conversation has changed from how great the Wolfpack are. Couldn’t even beat eclipse and didn’t even make the top 8 at NLF. Were all of those 8 cheater teams?

The posters above seem to go back and forth between the teams were all cheater holdbacks to we could have beaten them all based on common opponents. I don’t really know anything about Eclipse but assume a good team. And we all know that upsets can happen. My guess is WP would have beaten NXT and/ or whomever else. But leaving looked pretty bad to me.it was hot for everyone.

From here on out, the priority for most of these teams change. Don’t get me wrong, everyone plays to win, but at what cost? The ultimate goal changes from “winning” to getting kids ready to play on their HS teams and recruited by colleges. The ultimate prize at the youth level is the WSYL. After that, it’s all about showcases. What teams win a particular tournament, really isn’t important. Make sure your kid is on a team like this, and not a win at all costs team because the only one that wins on a team like that, is the greedy club.

I’ve been doing this a very long time, and I’ve never heard any USLacrosse tournaments. As I’m sure most people on here haven’t either. What teams go to these tournaments.

Have all the invites gone out for the top teams except for 91 because they start today? I am sure some 91 invites are already out as well. Any big changes?

I guess u been doing it with a low level lax team because the U15 national championships attracts all of the big lax organizations from around the country. U13 and U14 hasn't got much traction but still great age verified events

Yes all the invites have gone out for top teams including 91. Yes big changes.

That was the Madlax troll. Ignore him/her.

Zzhhuc

Which big clubs go? Most teams have too many holdbacks to go to an age based tournrnt.

If you check out the site it is def a reach to say the top clubs go.

Whats even more interesting about the US Lax "On Age" tournament is that their roster rules basically allow for 25% of a team to be holdbacks.

"4. All players competing in the 13U division must have been born on or after 9/1/2005.

5. All players competing in the 14U division must have been born on or after 9/1/2004.

A team competing at the 2019 US Lacrosse Nationals may field up to five players who do not comply with the birthdate guidelines above (Section 4 and 5 above), provided i) that the players meet the previously stated club participation requirement, ii) that those players were born not more than six months earlier than the birthdate cutoff for their division, and iii) that the player is in the scholastic grade that corresponds to their respective division. The corresponding grade for each division is:

13U, 2018-19 SCHOOL YEAR GRADE SEVEN

What’s some cost this year for teams ?

Varies widely. From prob 2.0 for B teams to likely close to 5.0 this year for A teams.

what B teams are 2k???? I dont think any teams are 2k anymore unless you really arent getting a full 10-11 months of lacrosse.

costs up everywhere.. most are between 2,800 to 3,800 . JUst make sure you get you moneys worth with training. Good Coaches make the difference.