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What an stunad! Madlax just beat the hawks in the finals of Naptown 10-2. Do we even need to talk about the BBL score or the tristate score of 15-1 for madlax Vs WP at 8-1? stunad...you guys have been avoiding Madlax for years now and you and the entire team know it! You guys don’t want anything to do with Madlax! It would be ugly, very ugly!

What an stunad! Madlax just beat the hawks in the finals of Naptown 10-2. Do we even need to talk about the BBL score or the tristate score of 15-1 for madlax Vs WP at 8-1? stunad...you guys have been avoiding Madlax for years now and you and the entire team know it! You guys don’t want anything to do with Madlax! It would be ugly, very ugly!

Did anyone go to the Rebels tryout? How were the numbers? Any new talent?

Talent was impressive

Mad Lax was a different team every time it goes out. The Naptown and NLF teams were stacked all-star teams with kids from all over the country. They even called themselves the "National Team". Different teams than the one that played in HoCo or even NAL. Teams like BBL, Hawks, Looneys, 91 MD, (or even 91 NY for that matter). form in August of the prior year and essentially stay the same all year so its completely disingenuous to make any argument comparing the scores of the Mad Lax version that was put on the field in either Naptown, Millon or NLF. The Coach/Program Director has created a high school All-Star model (just like Dukes, Sweetlax, etc.) so he can go and blow out other middle school teams that were simply not built to compete against that.

Total lack of integrity move by 91 leaving NLF (particularly given the hold back nonsense about integrity spewing from their parents all year), but no one should go defending or sticking up for Mad Lax which from the owner/coach on down conducts itself both on the field and in the way it organizes its teams in a manner that lacks sportsmanship and takes away the competitive balance from the end of summer tourneys.

What's not to like? 1 team at each age, no daddy ball.
Surprised more and more aren't taking a look. How many top teams have Daddy coaches and all their PAL buddies' kids crowding up the roster? All the B (A) teams at top clubs are pure money grabs. 91 has 2 teams that went 0-6 at their last tournament, which was run by 91, of course. Do you realize the organization charges those teams to attend? If they don't win a game, 91 should give them a refund.

What's not to like? 1 team at each age, no daddy ball.
Surprised more and more aren't taking a look. How many top teams have Daddy coaches and all their PAL buddies' kids crowding up the roster? All the B (A) teams at top clubs are pure money grabs. 91 has 2 teams that went 0-6 at their last tournament, which was run by 91, of course. Do you realize the organization charges those teams to attend? If they don't win a game, 91 should give them a refund.

Let's cut the mindless, juvenile garbage posts for just five minutes, and look at the cold hard facts, straight from Tourney Machine. The last time Madlax played teams that the Pack has played recently, the scores... straight out of tourney machine... were as follows:

Madlax - 7 vs Hawks - 5 (NAL Invitational)
Madlax - 4 vs LI Express - 2 (NAL Invitational)
Madlax - 8 vs Express North - 5 (NLF)

The last time the Pack played these three teams, the score was as follows:

WP - 7 vs Hawks - 3 (NLF)
WP - 6 vs LI Express - 1 (NLF) *(Express grade-based team, not WSYL age-based team)
WP - 8 vs Express North - 3 (NLF) *(Express North grade-based team, not WSYL age-based team)

In every single game, the point differential was greater when the Pack played the same teams that Madlax did. In total the WP goal differential was 14 to Madlax's 7, or WP had double the goal differential that ML had.

Now, the facts don't support all of the Madlax mindless, juvenile posts, now do they? Any logical person (that can add!) would look at the data and conclude that the far younger, completely on-age, guest-less WP is the better team. There is just no way to come to any other conclusion, based on the data. Hence their #1 ranking for the entire year.

So the Pack won't be taking any of your advice, and go down the empty, moral-less road of holdback heaven, which is the same advice that you have been giving every year. Every year you say that WP can't compete against teams like Madlax that are two years older, without adding holdbacks. And every single year, you are wrong. Yeah, I think we'll pass on that advice again this year. No need for inferior, older players, just to get their size advantage for a couple of years. We'll just go with the on-age talented kids. It's served us pretty well.

Mad lax will undoubtedly keep doing what they do, which is play with a team that is 100% holdbacks, double boldbacks, guest players from other 2023 teams, and players from their own 2023 team... all conveniently confirmed by your own players, via social media (those darn kids!). The Pack, on the other hand, will keep doing what they do, and that's winning a whole lot of lacrosse games, with no holdbacks and no guest players, but a whole bunch of talented players and coaches.

scores mean noting. No shot at beating Madlax. WP will be on a steady decline going forward!!!.

You total stunad! On Sunday, Madlax destroyed True Illinois, 11-5, who beat Eclipse 3-1. The same Eclipse team that beat the mighty, mighty Wolfpack 5-4 the day before. Those are the cold hard facts, straight from Tourney Machine. Sure, Wolfpack won the age-based World Series....congrats, but then they turned around and couldn't even make the top 8 at NLF. Oh, and then the Wolfpack lost to NXT 1-0. Two losses in two days. I don't think Madlax has lost in over a year. Enjoy the rest of the summer. Wolfpackup and leave!

scores mean noting. No shot at beating Madlax. WP will be on a steady decline going forward!!!.

If you think that WP lost to NXT by a score of 1-0, then you weren't at the tournament. And you have not been paying attention, at all. Based on that comment, you aren't even a Madlax parent or child. Which leads to the question, what kind of person stalks an anonymous board, with no association? I can't imagine how bad this guys life is, spending every day and night attempting to get attention on this thread, just as if he were a 7 year old child. "Mommy, pay attention to me!" "Look at me!" "Watch me, mommy!" Dude, do your self a favor, get a hobby.

You total stunad! On Sunday, Madlax destroyed True Illinois, 11-5, who beat Eclipse 3-1. The same Eclipse team that beat the mighty, mighty Wolfpack 5-4 the day before. Those are the cold hard facts, straight from Tourney Machine. Sure, Wolfpack won the age-based World Series....congrats, but then they turned around and couldn't even make the top 8 at NLF. Oh, and then the Wolfpack lost to NXT 1-0. Two losses in two days. I don't think Madlax has lost in over a year. Enjoy the rest of the summer. Wolfpackup and leave!

If you think that WP lost to NXT by a score of 1-0, then you weren't at the tournament. And you have not been paying attention, at all. Based on that comment, you aren't even a Madlax parent or child. Which leads to the question, what kind of person stalks an anonymous board, with no association? I can't imagine how bad this guys life is, spending every day and night attempting to get attention on this thread, just as if he were a 7 year old child. "Mommy, pay attention to me!" "Look at me!" "Watch me, mommy!" Dude, do your self a favor, get a hobby.

whats funny is how much you are involved in this site. think u need to find a new hobby DUDE!!!

Mad Lax was a different team every time it goes out. The Naptown and NLF teams were stacked all-star teams with kids from all over the country. They even called themselves the "National Team". Different teams than the one that played in HoCo or even NAL. Teams like BBL, Hawks, Looneys, 91 MD, (or even 91 NY for that matter). form in August of the prior year and essentially stay the same all year so its completely disingenuous to make any argument comparing the scores of the Mad Lax version that was put on the field in either Naptown, Millon or NLF. The Coach/Program Director has created a high school All-Star model (just like Dukes, Sweetlax, etc.) so he can go and blow out other middle school teams that were simply not built to compete against that.

Total lack of integrity move by 91 leaving NLF (particularly given the hold back nonsense about integrity spewing from their parents all year), but no one should go defending or sticking up for Mad Lax which from the owner/coach on down conducts itself both on the field and in the way it organizes its teams in a manner that lacks sportsmanship and takes away the competitive balance from the end of summer tourneys.

Madlax and others like them are not technically cheating, and with that we can all agree to disagree. Let's get that out the way. But Madlax must also understand that their reputation will get their due vile criticism. A perfect example is on social media, where grown men are arguing with players on that team. USCL insta post congratulating Madlax's NLF win drew comment threads that you could have just copied and pasted from this forum. And they have to constantly delete negative comments. I captured one of them before it was deleted. Here is an adult's comment:

"@person Even if this tournament bracket was a "Rising 8th geade division", everyone knows Madlax/Madlax Nationals 2024 Team has several "Reclassified" and or "Double Reclassified" players who essentially belong in the 9th and or 10th grade (2022-2023). There's zero argument to that point! So, playing true 7th graders (2024's) is kinda like playing aginst your younger brother's team and celebrating that you won when you're 2 or 3 years older than him. I challenge any team(s) that are playing with "Hold backs" to play age base and then celebrate after a win. Until such time, I respect the kids who play up and challenge themselves to get better!"

That comment was swiftly removed after posting.

Stop posting MB to your own club. It's an embarrassment to your salty reputation.

I'm on Wolfpacks side on this one. Nobody is going to play lacrosse in 95 degree heat and high humidity unless they absolutely have to. In fact nobody should be playing in that kind of heat at all. That's just common sense, which is not all that common on this thread.

No one can answer how old the big Madlax boys are???? Anyone?? Seems to be a lot of MadLax parents commenting but, no one can answer how old they are???

WP #1 Ranked 2024 team in the world! Everyone knows the holdback teams are a bunch of cheaters!

So what you are saying is that if things don't go your way and there may be some challenges in front of you go ahead and quit? Funny that the vast majority of teams that were not in contention for the championship found a way to play, nothing but respect for those teams that endured a little bit of hardship and kept competing. Perhaps some teams actually enjoy playing the sport and competing no matter what the potential outcome may be. Now let's say for the sake of argument that it was too hot and humid for these really special kids to play in the afternoon on Saturday why not go back to the hotel, hit the pool and come out on Sunday morning when their final game was to be played. It was not too hot on Sunday morning to play. Reality is that 91 committed to play in a grade based tournament and then quit after losing. You can come up with all the excuses and justifications you want but end of the day they quit. This was not done to them, they made a conscious decision to quit and disrespected those teams and kids that were expecting to have additional games.

Did anyone do Warrior All America games?........I doubt WolfPack stuck around for that but did any good players? Is it worth anything?

And why exactly should they do that? Madlax does not play in any age based leagues or tournaments. All the kids on the team are graduating in 2024. There is no cheating. I actually agree that at the youth level sports should be age based but that is not the direction the DMV and a majority of the regional/national tournaments have gone.

What I find most amusing about this whole thing is that everyone knows certain teams/regions have holdbacks and then constantly complain about it. As someone posted earlier if you are a strictly age based team then play in age based tournaments. If you think there is a safety issue then don't play in grade based tournaments. I am guessing everyone involved would be much happier if age based teams only played in age based tournaments. The reality is that there is no real need to play outside of your region at this age and 2024 rankings have no real relevancy.

Get the F off the LI thread!!!!! Nobody cares about disgusting filth!!!

BOTC. Please stop posting this trash. It only serves to devalue your site!!

This is 7th grade lacrosse. Just realize that, and enjoy it. This whole thread is nuts! Not one bit of it will matter when they enter their sophomore year. So many kids who were on the World Series of Lacrosse teams disappear when the recruiting begins, and even more disappear after college ball starts. Get some perspective.