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Total money grab. Save your money!

How do you even know that.. The event has never been held before, it's invitation only and there isn't a price attached to the event yet.....maybe its free??
will it interfere with Fall sports.. Who knows.. it is a Friday and Saturday 11/8 & 11/9

Honorable Mention All American is a legit recognition/award. Not All players nominated receive it and the board has to vote for the players. Additionally, you have to have earned All County the year prior - an award typically for the next best players although some schools who are good certainly get more but that's just the nature of the beast.

So for anyone to say HM All American is not real has no clue what they are talking about. IDK who got it for the girls in Suffolk but only 6 boys in Nassau earned this award and look at that list - the 9 boys lacrosse Nassau County All Americans plus the 6 honorable mention all American players are all legit players who are D1 prospects and have the stars to back it up. The sheer fact that only 15 players received those awards prove how difficult it is to get. I know the 8 Suffolk County Girls Lacrosse All Americans are ALL phenomenal players. You must be a parent of someone who did not receive it....and with that said, of course there are players you can lobby for that you think deserved it but that's just like every other sport (i.e. Klay Thompson not getting 3rd Team All NBA....should he have gotten it, maybe but everyone in front of him were all legit)

US lacrosse doesn't host the players on their site but they give you the official certificate just like the All Americans get.

With other media publications, it will be nice to see who gets what and how close they are . The BOTC All Long island tesms (1st -3rd team) also had 7/8 Suffolk County All Americans listed & I know 3 Nassau County All Americans on their list as I did not see all of the girls in Nassau who got it. So them & USA Today had a handful of the Suffolk AA's as the top 25 players in the Country. Seems legit to me unles you think they are all in cahoots with each other..

Honorable Mention All American is a legit recognition/award. Not All players nominated receive it and the board has to vote for the players. Additionally, you have to have earned All County the year prior - an award typically for the next best players although some schools who are good certainly get more but that's just the nature of the beast.

So for anyone to say HM All American is not real has no clue what they are talking about. IDK who got it for the girls in Suffolk but only 6 boys in Nassau earned this award and look at that list - the 9 boys lacrosse Nassau County All Americans plus the 6 honorable mention all American players are all legit players who are D1 prospects and have the stars to back it up. The sheer fact that only 15 players received those awards prove how difficult it is to get. I know the 8 Suffolk County Girls Lacrosse All Americans are ALL phenomenal players. You must be a parent of someone who did not receive it....and with that said, of course there are players you can lobby for that you think deserved it but that's just like every other sport (i.e. Klay Thompson not getting 3rd Team All NBA....should he have gotten it, maybe but everyone in front of him were all legit)

US lacrosse doesn't host the players on their site but they give you the official certificate just like the All Americans get.

With other media publications, it will be nice to see who gets what and how close they are . The BOTC All Long island tesms (1st -3rd team) also had 7/8 Suffolk County All Americans listed & I know 3 Nassau County All Americans on their list as I did not see all of the girls in Nassau who got it. So them & USA Today had a handful of the Suffolk AA's as the top 25 players in the Country. Seems legit to me unles you think they are all in cahoots with each other..

HM is the same as if BOTC decided to hand out AA awards . Sure it’s fun to be named but it means nothing , in section xi girls there are only 8 US Lacrosse AA and that’s it . Honestly it’s the most prestigious award of them all in my opinion as it’s selected by coaches that actually know you . UA senior game selection seems like a lot of politics but still a great honor , just not sure how the selection committee could possibly know each kid . What they should do is make a special award for those kids who they feel were at the top of the all division players and call it honorable mention all county , oh wait they already made up that nonsense .

Relax mom HS AA don’t mean very much. The vast majority will disappear in college. Talk to me when your daughter is a D1 AA otherwise please pipe down. It’s nice to receive awards but many of them have political strings tied to them, from your posts your daughter seems to be one of them.

Why so angry?

Congratulations to all who receive accolades. You are correct when you say many of the US Lacrosse All-Americans will disappear in college (there are like 500 of them). However, the majority of players who are named US Lacrosse All-Americans from Long Island (Nassau, Suffolk, Private) do not disappear in college.

All-League/Division, All-County are to some extent divided up by team so unfortunately some very strong players on very strong / deep teams may not receive the award even though they may in fact be stronger than may players who do receive the award.

Honorable Mention AA was created because US Lacrosse only gives a limited number of All-Amercan spots to long Island. There are many players on Long Island who are stronger than many players from other parts of the country (who are named US Lacrosse All-Americans). The coaches created the HM AA to recognize additional players.

On Long Island, US Lacrosse AA is a nice honor but it is very political. Most years the vast majority of players who receive the award are very deserving but there are always a few players who are just as deserving if not more deserving but do not have the political connections (coaches, club etc...) to be named AA.

Under Armour has proven to be the bench mark and many of the players from Long Island who are named US Lacrosse All-Americans have also been named Under Armour Senior All-Americans. US Lacrosse names hundreds of AA's while Under Armour selects just 44 players.

All of the accolades are nice but if you really want to know where your daughter stands just look at what colleges made offers (not what schools you reached out to and harassed, not what schools you talked to or went to their camp, not the schools that sent a letter etc...) The schools that reached out and said we want you to come to XYZ University and here is what we are willing to do. The Schools that actually made real offers. If Top 10 programs were making offers the player is legit. It all shakes out.

Congratulations again to all.

Not angry just being realistic. Be happy that your daughter had a good HS career. I’ve been through this before and have a 2x all American HS player who is now in college where you get to see if your kid can actually play lacrosse. It’s a nice accolade but really that’s it. Most of the other AAs named along side barely play in college. There are also a few who excel. The majority of AAs are interchangeable with the All Country winners. Probably 2/8 are the real deal.

If there are players listing themselves as US lacrosse honorable mention AA then they are lying and it could create problems , its the same as lying on a resume. I would think that US lacrosse may end up having something to say about it.

I just looked it up and of the 60 or so D1 AA , 5 were not US lacrosse AA in high school so it seems like a better predictor than you are letting on

"How awful is your life if you truly believe some 18 year old kid who was designated something is lying. And what “problem “ will they have? How about none. Get over yourself."

You must be a little slow. US Lacrosse does not hand out Honorable mention awards , it is a made up award from section 8 and section xi. For those layers to say they are US lacrosse AA is a lie and it diminishes the award to those current and past players who received the actual award. US lacrosse will not want any other group telling players they received US lacrosse AA honors when they have no say in how many and how they are awarded . What problem will they have, I have no idea but with the college admissions scandals going on now putting fictitious info on your bio or application might create some issues .My life is fine , my daughter was an actual 2x US lacrosse AA and is proud of it , almost as proud as she is of graduation from an IVY .

Sure pal, I'm a little slow, and you just posted a fictitious account of your "daughter". I'll take my slow over your perverse fantasy life and infatuation with "lies" and "problems". lost.

My guess is because you are slow you can't tell fact from fiction or for that matter how much being slow impacts your reasoning. Sad. There were 19 US lacrosse AA young women on LI this year and that is it. Sorry if your kid did not get one but maybe you can have your school make u some fake AA awards .

I am over all completely embarrassed by what this sport has become. Its a perversion of what it should be in every way. I have 3 kids in travel, and I can say outside of college, I have seen it all. Parents fighting on the sideline in boys games, parents rooting for others to fail in girls games, coaches choosing to give playing time preference to kids they train "privately", Its as bad as it gets and its all now a regular thing. I'm disgusted with myself and most of the people that I have met along the way, in that at the end of it all, every relationship has been based on how much money we pay, and how good is your kid.

We created this. We gave a tremendous amount of power to youth coaches and club team owners - who are held to very little standards and ethical considerations, who operate in the shadows and without real scrutiny. This youth lacrosse platform is in no way positive - it is a money grab at every turn, and we as parents have enabled it.

Don't have a kid nearly old enough, sorry if you need to boost your self image by creating a fake child. HAHAHAHAHAHA, keep at it mom, we're all soooo impressed

What's really sad is you obviously have low expectations for your own kid so you project that doubt onto other kids making it so you can't possibly believe others can have that kind of success. I guess half your kids genes come from the "slow" pool so it makes sense. So you know those kids were not designated US Lacrosse AA.

“Keep it up fictitious daughter mom. No one believes your bs take. My daughter is the school president a world class ballerina and scored a 1600 on the SAT. She got a full ride to Harvard and is playing ice hockey and lacrosse. See mine is better than yours!!!! Hahahahaha”

So sad for your kid that your low expectations will probably result in her underachieving. You are a simpleton who cannot understand that other people have actual achievements they are proud of. Sadly your kid will never even get the made up HM AA award .The Haha tells all on here what a uneducated disaster of a parent you are.

Soooo, did a little research of the "Ivy's" lacrosse rosters, startlingly enough there SIX, count em, six girls who identify as HMAA. Multiple others who identify as UA AA and one identifies as a LI AA. So I guess these girls all have "problems" that super mom will address with the parents and programs since his filly is a Real AA at an Ivy. Or is she ??? Again, you are a shallow little man who lives through an imaginary girl, if she is real, I feel truly sorry for her.

I am not sure which post you are referencing but there are three teams totaling 48 Division I All-Americans. There are at least 350 US Lacrosse HS All-Americans each year. I will take you at you word when you say that only five of the 48 were not HS AA's but I would not say that being named HS AA is a predictor or indicator of anything. If this year 43 of 48 Division I All-American were also US Lacrosse HS All-Americans that would tell us that approximately 1,357 former HS AA's from the HS graduating classes of 2018, 2017, 2016 and 2015 did not go on to become Division I All-Americans. ; )

However, we are talking about Long Island...

13 of the 48 DI AA's are from Long Island (pretty good) and I am pretty sure that all 13 were US Lacrosse All-Americans and most likely Under Armor All-Americans as well. If I am not mistaken there are 19 US Lacrosse All-Americans from Long Island each year (9 - Nassau, 8 - Suffolk, 2 - Private). Under Armour probably selects 10 or so from Long Island each year. It is possible that 63 out of 76 former HS AA's from LI "were not" D1 AA's this year. Some of those HS AA's who were underclassmen this year might become a DI AA down the road as the majority of AA's were upperclassmen.

Here are some numbers / facts...

If you are looking for an indicator as to which Long Island players have the best chance to become an All-American in college the odds are with the players who go to the top college programs.

36 of the 48 All-Americans played for teams that finished the year ranked in the Top 10.
45 of the 48 All-Americans played for teams that finished the year ranked in the Top 20.
1 played for Duke which finished the year ranked 21.
1 played for Hopkins which finished the year ranked 22.
1 played for Towson which was not ranked.

1 Graduate Student.
23 Seniors
13 Juniors
10 Sophomores
1 Freshman

Looking at these numbers it would stand to reason that the top players in HS are the ones who receive major recognition / accolades and are recruited by and choose to attend the schools that are consistently ranked in the Top 10 - 20. Those Top 10 - 20 schools always seem to be the same and the players they recruit prove to be the top players.

While I agree that this person may be a shallow little man, not sure you actually taking the time to research this separates you from him in any way. Who cares? Yes HM All American is made up on LI. No one else does it. Are the girls lying if they put it on their resume? No. Do you think college coaches base their decisions on someone being HM AA? Of course not. So again, who cares? Do we really need 2 pages of arguing over it?

While I agree that this person may be a shallow little man, not sure you actually taking the time to research this separates you from him in any way. Who cares? Yes HM All American is made up on LI. No one else does it. Are the girls lying if they put it on their resume? No. Do you think college coaches base their decisions on someone being HM AA? Of course not. So again, who cares? Do we really need 2 pages of arguing over it?

Soooo, did a little research of the "Ivy's" lacrosse rosters, startlingly enough there SIX, count em, six girls who identify as HMAA. Multiple others who identify as UA AA and one identifies as a LI AA. So I guess these girls all have "problems" that super mom will address with the parents and programs since his filly is a Real AA at an Ivy. Or is she ??? Again, you are a shallow little man who lives through an imaginary girl, if she is real, I feel truly sorry for her.

Didn't Parella from Hofstra make AA?

So a person who makes up a fictitious child is not creepy? One who insults girls anonymously as well. Sure whatever you say. As stated done with your weird self. Keep projecting the “ivy All American thing someone will eventually congratulate you on BOTC.

I thought you were done earlier Einstein and yet you come back for more .What happened no more creepy “ research” because you are now starting to see you are an imbecile. Keep lowering the standards for your daughter and keep telling her it’s just not possible you can go to an Ivy and also be an AA ,as they say those that think they can and those that think they can’t are usually both correct. Don’t forget you are done posting.

Unfortunately for me, can't let a nasty mom get the last word. One of my many faults. You don't have an Ivy AA daughter and that is a fact. Say what you will about my daughter, that's par for the course for you. Insulting others kids while waiting breathlessly on BOTC for a "great job with your Ivy AA" is your world not mine. If you get HMAA and scream it at the sky, I say congratulations that's great. You call them liars and indicate it's going to cause problems. Thats the distinct difference between you and I. Care to say different or is all you have is your insults? You're very big on that.

Unfortunately for me, can't let a nasty mom get the last word. One of my many faults. You don't have an Ivy AA daughter and that is a fact. Say what you will about my daughter, that's par for the course for you. Insulting others kids while waiting breathlessly on BOTC for a "great job with your Ivy AA" is your world not mine. If you get HMAA and scream it at the sky, I say congratulations that's great. You call them liars and indicate it's going to cause problems. Thats the distinct difference between you and I. Care to say different or is all you have is your insults? You're very big on that.

You really are a simpleton and obviously have no idea what a fact is. Again the initial posts were that these HMAA are not US lacrosse awards and should not be represented as such. Whats even funnier is you think you are insulting me by saying my daughter cannot be real which in reality every time you repeat that makes me smile at how fortunate I am. I will make it easy for you , this is the last time I will respond to you as there is no arguing with notIntelligent, HMAA is in "fact" a made up award by section 8 and 11 .Those that received it along with those that received All Division, All county HM, All County, Unsung Hero, and any other awards should be proud of themselves but make no mistake they are not US lacrosse awards. There are many differences between you and I but I suspect education is at the top of the list and it is obvious from your writing that you are a misogynist as you think calling me a mom is insulting. Good luck to your kid and let her know she too can be an AA and go to an Ivy if that is what she wants.

If there are players listing themselves as US lacrosse honorable mention AA then they are lying and it could create problems , its the same as lying on a resume. I would think that US lacrosse may end up having something to say about it.

“This entire conversation is ridiculous. Move on!!! None of the girls were “lying” as someone claimed. They were in-fact given a plaque that said All American 2nd or 3rd team. My friends daughter received an AA 2nd team plaque, it does not say “honorable mention” anywhere on it. The girls listed what they received. If you have a problem with the awards that are given call section 11 & 8 and discuss it with them. I’m 100% sure the girls will not receive any backlash or problems down the road for listing an award they got in 10th or 11th grade. They didn’t claim to be AA 1st team. Let’s discuss some actual lacrosse, any good/bad summer lax going on?”

Couple issues with this . First I went back and reread all the posts . No one claimed the girls were “lying”. Second there is no US Lacrosse first , second etc team AA , there is only US Lacrosse AA. No one will claim to be US Lacrosse first team AA because there is no such thing. Not sure she still does it but CR used to run a money grab calling two teams of players LI AA at each age group , it’s the same thing that sections 11 ,8 have created . I believe it’s the second year they have done this and in my opinion it does diminish the past accomplishment of AA , you have gone from around 20 players yearly on LI who could claim to be AA to now around 80 . What those plaques do not say is US Lacrosse AA except for the top 20 or so . Don’t want to further this discussion but the guy who says he will not post again on the subject but can not control himself enough to not post has some issues . The mom may be a bit of a braggart but she has been in general correct .