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Thanks for the tip, but Madlax list of guest players is well known, so we expect it. Heard about 24 getting invited to play last weekend along with the two 2023 DC Dogs players. Nothing surprises us. Bring in more 15 year olds. You’re going to need every one of them. Call in the Calvary while you’re at it along with some air support. Cheat like your cheater reputation depended on it. And the Pack will be there with the same 22 twelve and thirteen year olds doing what they do, better than anyone. Winning lacrosse games with skill, speed, power and most of all... integrity.

What an awful waste of time with these posts..you both must have a lot of time on your hands...Unfortunately, it will be a few more months until you wake up and realize that none of this matters..go look at the 2023 board and see how things changed this year

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What an awful waste of time with these posts..you both must have a lot of time on your hands...Unfortunately, it will be a few more months until you wake up and realize that none of this matters..go look at the 2023 board and see how things changed this year[/quote]

+1 Well said.

The reality is that in about three weeks none of this will matter at all, WSYL and NLF will be done and some ranking of 2024 teams will come out. Pathetic people whose life revolves around a youth sport will continue to post useless/hateful/derogatory comments on all of it but the vast majority of people will move on to next season and those sad, petty little people will be lost in the noise of the next season. Perhaps the only two undefeated (since the fall) elite teams will play, maybe they will not, one will win and one will lose if they do play. For the kids playing after about a day or two it becomes irrelevant to them as they move on with being a kid. Even more "truth", most parents, whether they are from LI, MD, PA, etc. are actually pretty decent people. It is the outliers that make all the noise. They talk about kid's and team's skills as if they were some sort of lacrosse expert when most of what they write shows their complete ignorance of the game, the kids and the teams. These are the people who act like buffoons at games, coach the team from the sideline, and scream at the refs. They are a minority but they are a loud minority. It is actually pretty easy to tune them out and have a chuckle at their complete lack of self control. Whether your kid plays for WP, Madlax, Taz, Hawks, LI S, BL or any other number of teams these are very talented kids, have fun watching them play. To that vocal minority most of those kids are "awful", let those people live their hateful life because at the end of the day for those kids that continue to work and have a love of the game they will take a lot away from playing the sport.

You mean the two 2023's from DC Dogs? Thought they were just guest players. Or are you referring to the bean pole coming back from playing on age with the 2023's and coming back to playing down again?

What an awful waste of time with these posts..you both must have a lot of time on your hands...Unfortunately, it will be a few more months until you wake up and realize that none of this matters..go look at the 2023 board and see how things changed this year[/quote]

+1 Well said.

The reality is that in about three weeks none of this will matter at all, WSYL and NLF will be done and some ranking of 2024 teams will come out. Pathetic people whose life revolves around a youth sport will continue to post useless/hateful/derogatory comments on all of it but the vast majority of people will move on to next season and those sad, petty little people will be lost in the noise of the next season. Perhaps the only two undefeated (since the fall) elite teams will play, maybe they will not, one will win and one will lose if they do play. For the kids playing after about a day or two it becomes irrelevant to them as they move on with being a kid. Even more "truth", most parents, whether they are from LI, MD, PA, etc. are actually pretty decent people. It is the outliers that make all the noise. They talk about kid's and team's skills as if they were some sort of lacrosse expert when most of what they write shows their complete ignorance of the game, the kids and the teams. These are the people who act like buffoons at games, coach the team from the sideline, and scream at the refs. They are a minority but they are a loud minority. It is actually pretty easy to tune them out and have a chuckle at their complete lack of self control. Whether your kid plays for WP, Madlax, Taz, Hawks, LI S, BL or any other number of teams these are very talented kids, have fun watching them play. To that vocal minority most of those kids are "awful", let those people live their hateful life because at the end of the day for those kids that continue to work and have a love of the game they will take a lot away from playing the sport. [/quote]

Obviously another troll that likes to read his own posts. Get off the grand stand, know nothing parent, and leave the expert commentary to those of us that know a little something about the game. Sit back, enjoy, and educate yourself.

By "new boys", you are referring to the two 2023 DC Dog guest players? Since Madlax seems to not care about every knowing that they use 2023 players for their 2024 team, does that mean that they keep the 2022 guest players a secret? Or they don't care if people know about them either? They do know they play in a 2024 bracket, correct?

The two DC Dogs 2023 players are holdbacks at the 2023 level. That makes them double holdbacks at 2024, but they aren’t even in 2024. They are in 2023. What’s the point of winning 2024 games, with holdback 2023’s? Defeats the point of having a 2024 team, if none of them are 2024 age and some aren’t even in 2024 grade. In fact, they are 2022 age. Youth lacrosse is one very big hot mess, with no governing body to control this chaos, except the clubs that are the ones behind it. People are bragging about a team that is already a year older than they are suppose to be, who brings in confirmed grade-higher players, effectively making them double holdbacks (at the end of a season) to “win at all costs”. What is the point, stealing playing time from loyal paying players? Where does it stop? 2021players? 2020 players? Should teams just bring their 2023 teams to 2024 tournaments? And if a coach can find some good, willing 2023’s, then bring them along too? Should the 91 Bandits just show up for all the Wolfpack 2024 tournaments? And Wolfpack plays all of the 2025 Games? That’s what Madlax and other teams are doing. Seriously, what’s the point? Club youth lacrosse is as bad as it gets.

If you look at the Madlax championship team picture on the 2024youthlaxchampionship on instragram for this year and last year it is amazing how many kids are in both pictures. Wow Madlax that is great that you had so many kids play up last year. Ya right those kids will be driving next year and still be playing in the 7th grade championship for Madlax I am sure.

You really spent the time to do a forensic examination of two Instagram pictures? Yikes, I thought I had seen crazy on this board before but this may take the cake. Assume you followed that up by pulling birth certificates and checking school enrollment grade to come to your conclusions.

+1 Well said.

The reality is that in about three weeks none of this will matter at all, WSYL and NLF will be done and some ranking of 2024 teams will come out. Pathetic people whose life revolves around a youth sport will continue to post useless/hateful/derogatory comments on all of it but the vast majority of people will move on to next season and those sad, petty little people will be lost in the noise of the next season. Perhaps the only two undefeated (since the fall) elite teams will play, maybe they will not, one will win and one will lose if they do play. For the kids playing after about a day or two it becomes irrelevant to them as they move on with being a kid. Even more "truth", most parents, whether they are from LI, MD, PA, etc. are actually pretty decent people. It is the outliers that make all the noise. They talk about kid's and team's skills as if they were some sort of lacrosse expert when most of what they write shows their complete ignorance of the game, the kids and the teams. These are the people who act like buffoons at games, coach the team from the sideline, and scream at the refs. They are a minority but they are a loud minority. It is actually pretty easy to tune them out and have a chuckle at their complete lack of self control. Whether your kid plays for WP, Madlax, Taz, Hawks, LI S, BL or any other number of teams these are very talented kids, have fun watching them play. To that vocal minority most of those kids are "awful", let those people live their hateful life because at the end of the day for those kids that continue to work and have a love of the game they will take a lot away from playing the sport. [/quote]

Obviously another troll that likes to read his own posts. Get off the grand stand, know nothing parent, and leave the expert commentary to those of us that know a little something about the game. Sit back, enjoy, and educate yourself.

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"Those of us that know a little something about the game".....unreal.. you offer nothing remotely useful about the game on this forum

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Obviously another troll that likes to read his own posts. Get off the grand stand, know nothing parent, and leave the expert commentary to those of us that know a little something about the game. Sit back, enjoy, and educate yourself.

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Really, name one thing I said that was wrong? Do you honestly consider what is written here "expert" commentary? Apart from the guy comparing Instargram photos that could be one of the dumbest things ever written on this forum. This is a forum of hate and generally wrong "facts". It is about smack talking and putting other people and kids down and even that is not done in a clever way. So no I will not go away and I will keep calling out the complete idiocy of what is written here as well as put to rest any idea that this a a forum where anyone can educate themselves. Your post is the perfect example of all of this and makes it very clear that you are no "expert" and actually know very little about the game.

The behavior of Madlax dads at the Millon tournament was disgraceful

Just to make it easy for people, just copy and paste and insert names:

The behavior of [INSERT CLUB NAME] dads at the [INSERT TOURNAMENT NAME] tournament was disgraceful.

You are welcome.

Actually, it was the first time I've ever seen a dad run onto the field at a summer tournament. I'm sure it's happened before, but it's not an every day occurrence.

Just to recap Madlax:

1. Most holdbacks of any club (well documented)

2. Had a 2017 playing on their 2018 team for two years (when they were in HS)

3. Got bootted from Hogan Hershey last year for playing kids down

4. Had to forfeit in the Hoco playoffs for having 2025s on a 2026 team.


Nice club

And had one of the top attackman in the country go to Hopkins and absolutely torch it this season as a freshman.

Madlax epitomizes all that is wrong with club lacrosse.

The poster team for the ultimate in cheater, win at ALL costs, slime teams.

The Robocalls team of your sports.

100% holdbacks team.

2023 guest players.

2023 holdback guests playing 2024.

Madlax, the rock bottom of the rock bottom.

Which has nothing to do with blatant cheating. Madlax has had great players, just like many other clubs. But nobody cheats like Madlax.

please elaborate

Any parent that would let their child play for an unsavory organization like Madlax, especially considering their well earned and well known reputation, has to be made of the same moral character as said club. The expectation is that their behavior mirrors the organization, and they typically don’t disappoint.

We all know that Madlax has many, many 2023 age kids, that are in the 2024 grade. And we also know that they have 2023 grade kids playing on their 2024 team. We also know that the 2023 kids are holdbacks which makes the 2022 age players. The question is, does Madlax have any 2024 age kids playing on their 2024 team? Any? Yet they continually compare themselves to the best 2024 team, even though that best of the best team is completely on age 2024’s. Shouldn’t they be comparing themselves to 2023’s and 2022’s? Madlax needs a team of 2023’s and 2022’s just to be able to compete. And they are proud of that. Playing a bunch of 12 and 13 year olds with a team of High School kids. Not something I would boast about. To me, that’s very embarrassing. You know what else is embarrassing? Always playing second fiddle to said team and losing to said team of pre-pubescents. That’s downright shameful.

2023 DCDogs guest players playing for 2024 team. Confirmed by Madlax 2024 players via social media. In all likelihood they are 2023 holdbacks which means they are double holdbacks at the 2024 level. I’ll try to get that part confirm for you.

No 2024 age kids on 2024 team. I know as a holdback parent you don’t think that’s cheating, but the rest of us parents with even just a shred of morals, do.

I was just asking what the dads did, saw something about a dad running on field

Can someone please tell us about the dad on the field. I need a good laugh

Technically the person is a dad and looks old but he is repeating 8th grade (again) and therefore he is still eligible as a 2024 under tournament rules.

"No 2024 age kids on 2024 team." - Patently false. When you cannot even get a simple "fact" correct it kills everything else you have to say.

"I’ll try to get that part confirm for you." - Thank god someone is doing the hard work of keeping the world safe. I assume you are the psycho who is also comparing Instagram pictures. Here is a little hint for you - social media posts are not the greatest source of facts in the world.

Top 10 post of the year!

"Technically the person is a dad and looks old but he is repeating 8th grade (again) and therefore he is still eligible as a 2024 under tournament rules"

Naptown schedule is out on Tourney Machine. Good teams in it but missing Team91 MD. I understand Miners, BL and Legacy Taz not being there due to WYSL this past week. Would have been an even better tourney with all of them in it. Good luck to all the teams.

Saw Breakers made the WSYL. Congrats to them! They must be a great team!

Hey Parents guess what.... World Series is over, so forget age, there are no more age based tournaments, even the LI based tournaments (NLF etc) use class. WP won the World Series....Congrats.... but that's it for age....

Its time for you to tell your boys to be big boys because that's who they are playing from here on out. Age is an excuse at this point and some of your boys are going to play JV next year with 2022s on their teams.

Big boy up!!!

Thanks Holdnack parent. ,, were you prefirst and reclass or just a holdback?? Did you enjoy watching your son 1 to 2 year older then rest of players beating up on younger children?. Must have been fun !

Weird how you never followed your own advice while he was young, but want everyone to "man up " now and go against older children , Guess didnt apply to you back then..LOL

Come on..He wasnt a Dad, just a double holdback . Stay classy

US CLUB LACROSSE - RANKINGS - AS OF 6/27/19:

1 TEAM 91 WOLF PACK NY NORTHEAST 2024 BOYS
2 MADLAX CAPITAL MD/VA MID-ATLANTIC 2024 BOYS
3 LOONEY'S ORANGE MD MID-ATLANTIC 2024 BOYS
4 TEAM 91 MD MD MID-ATLANTIC 2024 BOYS
5 BBL ELITE BLACK NJ MID-ATLANTIC 2024 BOYS
6 LEGACY TAZ NY NORTHEAST 2024 BOYS
7 LI EXPRESS CoachS NY NORTHEAST 2024 BOYS
8 ANNAPOLIS HAWKS MD MID-ATLANTIC 2024 BOYS
9 BROTHERLY LOVE PA MID-ATLANTIC 2024 BOYS
10 2 WAY CT NORTHEAST 2024 BOYS
11 CRABS MD MID-ATLANTIC 2024 BOYS
12 TRUE IL PREMIER IL MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES 2024 BOYS
13 EXPRESS NORTH SCHREIBER NY NORTHEAST 2024 BOYS
14 NEXT LEVEL SPARTANS MD MID-ATLANTIC 2024 BOYS
15 SWEETLAX FL FL SOUTH 2024 BOYS
16 NXT PA MID-ATLANTIC 2024 BOYS
17 FREEDOM PA MID-ATLANTIC 2024 BOYS
18 BETHESDA LC MD MID-ATLANTIC 2024 BOYS
19 ORANGE CRUSH NY NORTHEAST 2024 BOYS
20 EDGE CAN NORTHEAST 2024 BOYS
21 SWEETLAX NY NY NORTHEAST 2024 BOYS
22 ECLIPSE CT NORTHEAST 2024 BOYS
23 IGLOO WINDCHILL NY NORTHEAST 2024 BOYS
24 PRIME TIME NY/CT NORTHEAST 2024 BOYS
25 THUNDER LB3 BLUE GA SOUTH 2024 BOYS

Big boys? Bro you are very confused. You are referring to the undisputed #1 team in the world, and the bench mark for greatness in 2024 lacrosse. All the cheater teams with substandard 2023's and 2022's aren't worthy to hold their jock straps. Just ask any Hawks parent about the beat down they received from the best 2024 team in the land, as ranked by INSIDE LACROSSE Magazine and US Club Lacrosse, the foremost experts in the sport. I understand your obsession with greatness, but let's keep things in perspective, shall we. Hey, if your boys ask really nicely, maybe they can get a selfie taken with one of the Pack celebrities. They've been getting a lot of those requests lately, as you can imagine. No promises though!

Let me get this straight.

You are saying that a bunch of pre-pubescent 12 and 13 year old's need to be "big boys", by playing a bunch of inferior 14 and 15 year old post-pubescent girlee-boys who are so inferior they can't even play with kids their own age.

And these are the same 12 and 13 year olds, that are the unanimous #1 ranked team in 2024 lacrosse, to include every girlee cheater holdback team.

And this is the same 12 and 13 year old team that beats up on every girlee holdback team they play. Every single one! ... just ask a Hawks parent (they are still licking their wounds!).

Our boys play real AA 2023 teams, not fake substandard ones.

Let's try this again. Who needs to be "big boys"... your inferior, low self esteem girlee-boys maybe?!!

A couple of things. The one DC Dogs 2023 played up this year and played the last (five?) years for 2024 Mlax. Came back to his old team, and the rest of the roster looked the same as HOCo. Didn’t see any disgraceful dad activity but I only really watched finals. Parents are usually fine though...

A Madlax player played “up”! LMAO! Thank you!! I needed a good belly laugh! Almost no Madlax players play on age. None play “up”. But thanks for the laugh!!!

Unless you think playing “on age” is playing “up”, which with Madlax I guess that’s probably a true statement.

With tryout season approaching, I am interested in your thoughts?

Scenario: Your son plays on a very good (winning) 2024 lacrosse team. Your son is not a starter on the team but does see some time on the field. Your son is happy being on this team, is a good teammate, and the coaches and his teammates all like him. At the same time, however, your son is disappointed in the fact that no matter how much he improves in practice and makes plays during games he still doesn’t see any additional playing time. (He has been on this same team since the 4th grade and has had the same coach for the last four years) Over that course of time he has been recognized by his coaches with individual awards at the end of each season but that still hasn't amounted to more playing time.

Your son believes that if he played on another AA team or even went down to a single A team he would atleast be afforded the opportunity to become a starter or atleast become a more essential member of a team. But at the same time you son is scared to tryout for different teams because he doesn't want to be considered a traitor by his current teammates for leaving.

As the parent, should you encourage your son to stay on his current AA team and just work to get better even if it means not seeing a lot of playing time or do you encourage him to tryout for other teams because playing time is the most important part for his development. Kids like being on a winning team, I get it, but is just being on a very good team helping your son if your son is not playing?

No jokes please. As a parent, I know I am not the only one going through something like this.

A lot to consider. What does he want to do? I would at least tryout for other teams. Does he have friends? As a rising 8th grader this is the year to make a switch. HS clubs do not change much and some really do not have tryouts. Playing at this age in games that matter is the most important thing to kids. It was when I was that age. If you are posting this, it suggests that he is not happy on the current team. I would at a minimum attend several tryouts. As far as being a traitor, are they allowing kids from other teams to tryout? Does that make the team disloyal? The loyalty part really ends at this point. HS is about showcases and those who want to play in college.

I would start with having your son ask why he isn't playing and what he needs to work on to get more minutes. At this stage of the game he problem needs to take stock in what he wants out of this game. If he wants to play in college stay the AA route. If not then move down a level get minutes and have fun with it. Without understanding that moving to a new club team you'll be met with the same frustration.

If your not getting minutes and you don't know why leaving will solve nothing for you. You'll have the same questions at the next stop. Besides at the AA level here in Philly you really don't have many options and are limited because the other coaches in this area know what kids are out there.

My suggestion would be to find out where you are missing the mark. Go get training, then drop down a level to get minutes and put your training to good use.

Staying on aa and not playing when college coaches come to watch games won’t help your son either. coach will recruit who they see play not the bench.