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No dog in the fight, but what was the score of the last Madlax/Hawks game?

Tourney is run by the NLF, not 91. Most teams at the tourney were members of the NLF.

Stop with the excuses. The Pack played the second best team in the tourney, right before they played the Hawks in the championship. And, yes, they blew them out too. FYI: Excuses only work if the game is relatively close, of which that game was not. Can't blame this on on the refs, or the organizers or the weather. Hawks were beaten down by a far superior team, in every aspect of the game. From offense, to defense, to goalie play to face-offs. End of conversation.

Stop with the excuses. The Pack played the second best team in the tourney, right before they played the Hawks in the championship. And, yes, they blew them out too. FYI: Excuses only work if the game is relatively close, of which that game was not. Can't blame this on on the refs, or the organizers or the weather. Hawks were beaten down by a far superior team, in every aspect of the game. From offense, to defense, to goalie play to face-offs. End of conversation.

I don't remember, but it was pretty close.

Of course it was. I'll bet it was real close. I have no doubt it was a double over timer, edge of your set, nail biter of a game! Really exciting stuff!!

Guess what? That wasn't the WP/Hawks game. No, indeed not. That was a real yawner. A completely different level of lacrosse.

So if Madlax struggles with the Hawks, dude your boys high-school-age team DOES NOT want to play against the little Pack squad. No, no, no. You definitely DO NO want that! The shame of getting a beat down by that little on-age Pack team... well, you get the idea.

Final was 8-3.

Love how the Madlax parents trash their own players. The DCDogs 23 holdback kid, basically stinks?! I’m sure his parents will love hearing that, from one of their own. But I must say, everything that I know about your club, sadly that is to be expected.

And, yeah, I’m sure the kid who played for ‘23’s until this year, isnt a holdback! Yeah right! In MD where basically every player is a holdback, this 6’ 170 lb 2023 player is not a holdback? Ok. He’s 12 years old! Hahahaha. Funny, because your previous marque holdback #24 says that he is one of seven new holdbacks this year, which were brought aboard to help fill the void left by his leaving and playing on age with the 2023’s.

That’s right. Your #24 man-child admits to being a holdback, admits that the DCDogs ‘23 player is a holdback, along with 6 additional holdbacks, just this year alone. Yup. The LI kids are pretty chummy with your boys on social media. We get ALL the inside scoop, straight from YOUR players. There isnt an on age player on Madlax that touches the turf!!!

Which leads me back to the same old question, why are your players so inferior that they have to play down one year, or more, just to be able to compete with teams from the island? I gotta be honest, i’d Seriously be embarrassed if my kid played on a team that only played down, just to hopefully be able to win a few youth lacrosse games that absolutely nobody cares about.

On the island, our kids play up when possible to challenge them. Never ever considered having my kid play down. Why would I? How can playing younger, smaller, less experienced kids help his development? If playing down seemed like a good option for his development, I’d say he needs to find a new sport, because there obviously wouldn’t be much of s future for him in lacrosse!

Which is exactly the reason why Madlax and the other cheater teams aren’t nearly as good as they should be, fielding teams that are a year older than their LI competition. They recruit holdbacks. They horde holdbacks. They play almost exclusively HOLDBACKS. These holdbacks are not top tier talent. Far from it. Most of their holdbacks are subpar players that couldn’t get any playing time with kids their own age. The great majority are subpar athletes. Once the size advantage goes away, they will be riding the pines the rest of their lacrosse careers.

Simply, you don’t have the best players playing. You have the oldest, and biggest and strongest players playing. But no where close to the best players or athletes. I highly doubt that any subjective, reasonable mind would ever argue this. It’s posted on here all the time. LI teams have the talent, while MD teams have the size (hope so, they are a year+ older).

So, there you have it Madlax cheater dad. The reason why LI teams have the best lacrosse on the globe. We develop our players. MD cheats with older players. A plan that backfired on them.

Serves you right. Don’t you know, cheaters never prosper!

Hawks finished 4th in MD hoco spring. Dont get all excited.

If my memory serves me correct, Madlax has lost one game in the past year, to LI Express in the final of the NLF. I don't think WP made the semis of that tournament, or did they? Would love to see WP play Madlax, Hawks, Team 91, and Next Level in full time regulation games over the course of 4 straight weeks. If they could run that gauntlet, then good for them. My money says probably not.

If my memory serves me correct, Madlax has lost one game in the past year, to LI Express in the final of the NLF. I don't think WP made the semis of that tournament, or did they? Would love to see WP play Madlax, Hawks, Team 91, and Next Level in full time regulation games over the course of 4 straight weeks. If they could run that gauntlet, then good for them. My money says probably not.

What about "smoker mom"...the one who yells "Wooooolfpack" constantly from the sideline? Does she still have a kid on the team? Kind of sums you guys up perfectly. Can't wait to see that look on ESPN.

Bro, why are you talking about a year ago? That was a life time ago. Since then, Madlax has added seven additional holdbacks. Wolfpack has added players as well (but not holdbacks, of course). Last year is completely inconsequential for both teams. Understand?? Good.

For starters, take the Hawks off the table. They are an abysmal team. Absolutely gigantic, but atrocious lacrosse players. Trust me, the Pack won't be wasting any time going down that road again, any time soon. By all accounts (on the BOTC MD thread), all of your little cheater teams are comparable, trading victories and losses each week in your little hoco cheater league. If your top teams, can't completely demolish a team like the Hawks (which they can't!), the Pack has no use for them. Sorry to be so blunt, but those are the facts. We'll continue to play in the 2023 "A" bracket, in search of actual competition.

~Parent of the #1 RANKED TEAM IN THE WORLD - Inside Lacrosse Magazine/US Club Lacrosse

My son is on age and plays a lot. And, he routinely schools your boys. So, there goes that theory. If you really have a problem why don't you come over to our tent and discuss it like a real man? I'm sure the answer is that you don't want your son to be embarrassed when you get school like he does on the field.

My son is on age and plays a lot. And, he routinely schools your boys. So, there goes that theory. If you really have a problem why don't you come over to our tent and discuss it like a real man? I'm sure the answer is that you don't want your son to be embarrassed when you get school like he does on the field.

To tell you the truth, no Pack parent would be caught dead associating with any Madlax cheater trash.

And what you say must be true, right? Listen up holdback cheater dad. You lied for years about having ANY holdbacks. Years and years and years and years you lived the Madlax lie of having NO holdbacks. Bro, after all of the years of blatant lies, trust me you have noooooo credibility. None! You are a liar. Your kid is a holdback. All of his team mates are holdbacks. Madlax has more holdbacks than any MD team, as documented numerous times on this very thread. You are the vermine of youth sports. Enough said?

. Another stark example of that was this past weekend when a team full of high school kids came to LI to play a bunch of 12 year olds. Yes. The Hawks were basically all huge holdbacks, save a couple. Has to be the biggest 7th grade team in the history of 7th graders.

If you only watched the Hawks play once all weekend, then you missed a good team with very good players. The Eclipse and Hawks game was a great semi-final. The Hawks are ON AGE 12-13 year olds. STOP MAKING STUFF UP. There is only ONE player which could maybe be called what you say is a "holdback". Don't make things up and bash a team that you watched once while they were playing their 4th game of the day against a rested Long Island 91 team that was playing its 3rd game. Great way to line up a tournament by the way. The Hawks lost that game at the face off X, and hardly had possession. 91's FO guy was as big as any kid on the Hawks. You beat a completely gassed Hawks team, congrats, good luck at the U-13 Jake Steinfeld Bowl in Denver.


You can bash MD lax all you want, but DONT lie and make things up about a team you know absolutely nothing about.

Ok. My bad. You have only one single holdback. Great. Then we’ll see you in Denver at the WSYL. NOT! Holdback teams don’t qualify for the WSYL now do they? NOW YOU STOP MAKING garbage UP, CHEATER TRASH!

Your little high school team was the talk of the tourney. Everywhere I went, I heard people talking about how very over the top that cheater team was. The elephant in the room! Disgraceful!!!

FYI crybaby cheater dad. Pack played the 2nd best team in the tourney right before playing your horrendous team. Right before that they played the 3rd best team. Eclipse is a mediocre team at best. Although when playing the Hawks I’m sure it felt insurmountable.

Hawks should be banned from the 7th grade bracket on a tournaments. Utterly disgraceful!

Let’s look at it this way, MD cheater trash. Since the hawks don’t have enough on age players to go to the WSYL, what is that really telling us? Let’s say the hawks have 25 kids on the roster. They need 15 on age kids in order to have enough kids to play in Denver. But they obviously don’t have 15 on age players, or they would be going. That means that 11 or more players are holdbacks. So let’s be crazy kind here and say 11 kids are confirmed holdbacks. It’s probably more, but let’s use that as the minimum, just because I’m a nice guy. How many players actually touch the field in competitive games? I’m going to give you the answer. It’s 13. Ok. A little quick math here. This means that only 2 on age hawk players touch the field in any given competitive game. My example, as we know, is ultra conservative, and the real number is probably more like one or none. But best case scenario for the hawks is only 2 on age players actually play. There you have it, Chester trash. Indisputable evidence that the hawks play exclusively cheater holdback kids. You proud of that, cheater? How you sleep at night, knowing that you are teaching your kid to be a cheating DB in life. Great job daddy-o. Would you like to respond to my very simple logic? I seriously doubt you will, because you have no logical leg to stand on, my little cheater hold back parent. Whatcha got??

Let’s look at it this way, MD cheater trash. Since the hawks don’t have enough on age players to go to the WSYL, what is that really telling us? Let’s say the hawks have 25 kids on the roster. They need 15 on age kids in order to have enough kids to play in Denver. But they obviously don’t have 15 on age players, or they would be going. That means that 11 or more players are holdbacks. So let’s be crazy kind here and say 11 kids are confirmed holdbacks. It’s probably more, but let’s use that as the minimum, just because I’m a nice guy. How many players actually touch the field in competitive games? I’m going to give you the answer. It’s 13. Ok. A little quick math here. This means that only 2 on age hawk players touch the field in any given competitive game. My example, as we know, is ultra conservative, and the real number is probably more like one or none. But best case scenario for the hawks is only 2 on age players actually play. There you have it, Chester trash. Indisputable evidence that the hawks play exclusively cheater holdback kids. You proud of that, cheater? How you sleep at night, knowing that you are teaching your kid to be a cheating DB in life. Great job daddy-o. Would you like to respond to my very simple logic? I seriously doubt you will, because you have no logical leg to stand on, my little cheater hold back parent. Whatcha got??

Let’s look at it this way, MD cheater trash. Since the hawks don’t have enough on age players to go to the WSYL, what is that really telling us? Let’s say the hawks have 25 kids on the roster. They need 15 on age kids in order to have enough kids to play in Denver. But they obviously don’t have 15 on age players, or they would be going. That means that 11 or more players are holdbacks. So let’s be crazy kind here and say 11 kids are confirmed holdbacks. It’s probably more, but let’s use that as the minimum, just because I’m a nice guy. How many players actually touch the field in competitive games? I’m going to give you the answer. It’s 13. Ok. A little quick math here. This means that only 2 on age hawk players touch the field in any given competitive game. My example, as we know, is ultra conservative, and the real number is probably more like one or none. But best case scenario for the hawks is only 2 on age players actually play. There you have it, Chester trash. Indisputable evidence that the hawks play exclusively cheater holdback kids. You proud of that, cheater? How you sleep at night, knowing that you are teaching your kid to be a cheating DB in life. Great job daddy-o. Would you like to respond to my very simple logic? I seriously doubt you will, because you have no logical leg to stand on, my little cheater hold back parent. Whatcha got??

Unhinged to say the least, much like the FF LI dad who for the second tourney in a row decided that screaming "WSYL" at 13 yo kids is the right way to represent your club and the sport. At least be a man and approach a parent with that pathetic stuff. I am sure you will have a receptive audience.

To your post, it is actually not simple logic, simple minded logic perhaps. There is one huge assumption you make to get to your factually incorrect point and that is that every holdback will be in your magic "13" number (a number that can be debated along with your "15" for the WSYL). This is completely false and kills your entire argument. Once again you have no idea the ages of the kids on the teams or in that "13" no matter what bizarre logic you use. So it is not "indisputable evidence" at all. You can keep posting the same factually wrong rant on every MD team every time. As my kid said to me about the WSYL screamer, "that dude is sad".

And by the way how do you sleep at night knowing that you are teaching your kid to be a lying, whinny DB in life, well done papa.

Can you even imagine the horror show of being on a team with a parent like this. Assume this guy/gal is representative of the typical WP parent. LI board, MD board, denigrating every other team other than WP and spewing false statements (seven holdback additions, false; "teams are comparable", false; cheaters, false). Apparently there are only 18-20 good lacrosse players on the planet and everyone else should just give up. Well done on representing that #1 ranking with grace and dignity. It is very odd that people from a team that is ranked #1 have to spend so much time defending the ranking, knocking other programs, calling people cheaters, etc.

Madlax has lost zero games since the start of the lacrosse year in the Fall, zero. Will they lose this summer, maybe. There are lots of great clubs and kids out there and looking forward to some good games. End of the day, win or lose, who really cares as long as the kids have fun and continue to develop. You live in some dream world where you are the guardian of 2024 lacrosse and that 7th grade lacrosse has any meaning past the short term (24 hours after a game). You rant about the evils of MD lacrosse and we laugh at you because you are just as bad. MD parents don't make the rules under which we play but you do control your actions as an adult which are as much to blame for what is wrong with youth lacrosse (abhorrent behavior in the stands and on the sidelines, constant bragging, constant lies, constant knocking of 7th grade kids, etc.). And so not to rile everyone on LI up this behavior is seen across all regions. It is all more than a little pathetic and a sad commentary on the state of youth sports. So please enough with the holier than thou attitude, no one is buying it.

Let me save you the time of a response because I know you are incapable of coming up with anything novel.

"Cheater cheater, holdback, holdback, we are #1, we are #1, the lacrosse gods ranked us #1, you stink, you stink." Does that about cover it?

What all MD parents have on their side in this nonsensical argument is reality, which continues to escape this FLID Dad. Why Long Island parents continue to obsess about a money grab U-13 tournament in Denver is beyond me. Most MD clubs elect to skip that tourney because it's a complete waste of money when they can get better 7th grade competition at any NLF tournament or just stay home and go to NAL or Naptown. Better teams without financially burdening parents and dumping money in Warrior and Jake Steinfeld's pockets. WSYL exists to satisfy the vanity of mom and dad having a DVR recording of little Sal playing in an empty stadium on 4th of July. It has nothing to do with the best competition or even remotely developing kids for the rigors of HS lax where age means nothing.

So call us cheaters all you want, but in the real world, your posts are baseless, nonsensical and childish. There are plenty of good parents associated with these Long Island teams, but the vocal minority of pure stunads drowns out any sanity. I know my 13 year old "on age" MD laxer will be enjoying his 4th of July with family and his 20 other "on age" teammates, getting ready for their last tournament without a thought in the world about the WSYL or the mediocre U-13 teams playing there.

It’s all fun and games for the tournament directors and holdback parents until a 6 ft tall, 190 pound, 15 year man child ends up seriously injuring a 100 pound 13 year old age on kid. As this perverse grade vs age loophole continues to be increasingly exploited, we’re going to see more concussions, broken bones and sadly perhaps a paralyzing neck injury. I really hope the insanity stops before we hit that tragic point. It’s one of the many reasons other more evolved youth sports run by responsible adults don’t let that match up ever happen.

Which are the top 2024 Baltimore teams? We as new to the area and need to select teams for a tryout.