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I know. LI has no prep schools where this activity is down to an art form, so that’s got to be the main reason why it doesn’t happen up here very much. Regarding the top few teams, only one team has any holdbacks, which numbers probably about 4-5 would be my best guess. Could be less. But that’s nothing compared to the real holdback teams where basically their entire team is holdbacks. The top 2 teams have none and never have. For the most part, they develop the kids they have had since 2nd grade, and go with that, with a few exceptions.

Can almost hear the lip quivering of the poster above, all caps writing, yikes that really drives home a point. If most of the posts and parents on this board make you want to puke here is a novel idea, don't come to this board. The fact you not only continue to come to this board, but also take the time to post on it, now that is the true definition of sad.

What is even more sad and delusional is that you believe that people who holdback their children (the vast majority who do so when the kids are 4/5 years old) are doing it to win 7th grade lacrosse games or that you believe that 90% of the teams are holdbacks. By all means though feel free to have your beliefs, feel free to write in all caps to really drive your point home, and most importantly feel free to keep coming back to a place where the people who post make you want to puke. End of the day this board is all chirping and amusement for people anyway.

~ Parent of and On Age Elite Player

serious question... why don't LI teams just play in tournaments that MD teams don't attend ? Or play in age based tournaments only ?

To pile on to this post - why is WP and TAz always boasting about winning 2023 tournaments and games and then always complaining about holdbacks??!! Isn’t that the same darn thing? Stop your blood clot crying and just let the kids play!

Correct. It’s exactly the same thing. Identical. No difference whatsoever. Except for one thing. The ‘23 LI teams are on age teams playing other on age teams. The MD cheater teams are ‘23 teams portraying themselves to be ‘24 teams, which they are not. It’s deception. Lying. Slimy, slippery, dishonest cheating. THAT my friend is the difference. Nothing to do with playing older teams, since top LI teams do that all the time. It has everything to do with people telling you one thing but the reality is far different. It’s about dishonesty and cheating and lying about it, all to win a little kids game. Understand now? Nothing to do with playing substandard MD ‘23 teams. Everything to do with misrepresentation of the truth, or db cheater teams.

Well MD teams are 2024 teams. They are just older than most lacrosse players by 1-2 years.

You have to do better than that on this forum

Dude pull your panties out of your rear you really sound like they are bunching up on you. It’s not lying if everyone is upfront about it , which in MD they are! It’s not cheating if the league or tourney allows it which they do! SIOO you Long Island piece of garbage, decide if your team can either handle the pressure or they can’t. But please STFU and let the kids play!!

Exactly ! MD teams are playing in right grade. We dont cheat by rules. Whats the big deal, Our teams are only 3 months to 18 months older than LI teams. Grow Up.. If you cant handle our older boys what can you handle ? Playing older players will make you better. Hit the wall if you cant play against our older players. None of us held our players back for lacrosse.

Lol. 18 months older and your kids “elite” team still can’t beat my kids little team. Lmao! That’s just pathetic.

You do realize that 18 months during the pubescent years is the physical difference between grown men and little boys, correct?

Based on your own comment, it's 12 and 13 year olds vs 14 and 15 year olds. Of course, nothing that we all didn't already know.

So why can't your "man-teams" beat my sons "little boy teams"???

Hmmm. Something to ponder.

How about we send our '25's down to MD for your man-children to play? Think that would be enough of an advantage for your HoCo "elite" (wink, wink!) "boys"? It's OK, you can just change the grade year of your teams (again!), from 2023, I mean 2024 (sorry, that always screws me up) to 2025. No biggie. It'll be our little secret. No one will know that your boys are "cheating". Shhhh...

You poor, sad under achiever. Trying to relive it through little Sal aren't you?

Madlax Capital 2024. Undisputed best team in this grade.

Correction: Team 91 Wolfpack - INSIDE LACROSSE Magazines #1 Ranked team on the planet. And still 100% Holdback-free, just like always... totally cheater-free.

Undisputed??

According to INSIDE LACROSSE Magazine, Team 91 Wolfpack is the “undisputed” #1 Team in the world. Madlax didn’t even make the list.. Madlax DC is an “Undisputed” mediocre 2023 cheater team.

Hi guys. I’m Sal from LI. Wondered if ya’ll could help a brotha out. I’m new to the MD board and I’m trying to figure out how ya’ll work It. Do we post to the ‘23 board, because that’s the age of your players or do we post to the ‘24 board because that’s the age of the kids that you want people to think your teams are. This is really confusing to me because in LI all of the ‘24 teams have ‘24 age players. It’s a whole lot simpler. Thanks guys!

~Sal from LI

Hahahahahahaha, wow this could be funniest, most original, most intelligent post ever on this board. Guessing it took you a couple of days to come up with such an insightful and though provoking post.

Here is the simple answer, you post on the 2024 board for 2024 teams and yes we play grade based and all the kids who are on 2024 teams are in 2024 classes, but you likely already know this but apparently people from LI cannot understand this concept. Let me ask a question, why are LI stunads so pathetic that they actually come to a MD board? This is really confusing to me because we couldn't care any less about LI teams but it seems that the folks from up North are obsessed with MD lacrosse, very odd.

~Biff from MD

It's a simple answer as to why the Dads from LI are obsessed with MD. They want what we have - successful lives, wives with less than 20% body fat, and sons that win at lacrosse.

#1 Ranked Team in the World

* 100% 12 and 13 year olds
* 100% Holdback-free
* 100% Cheater-free

A cheater team's worst nightmare...

https://www.instagram.com/91lacrosse/p/BwGIN87BHiU/

Yawn, move along nothing to see here

now that’s to Funny. You may be one of the most pathetic parents I have seen. Grow up already. You act like a 6 year old. Just listen to yourself . None of this matters .

Saw this on the 2023 Board. Thought it could be interesting here as well for Hoco 2024 Elite:

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2024 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back

I am pretty sure you may have started a long winded argument if anyone suggests that any player or team component could be better than the
amazing, fantastic Wolfpack.

Good point. But you forgot, 100% cheater free.

I don't think the PP did forget, all the teams in MD are 100% cheater free as well. If you have any actual facts to suggest otherwise happy to hear them.

Now back to the post that got this started which actually was trying to get us back to talking about, gasp, lacrosse.

Most Improved, would lean Next Level
Best Team, right now with the win over 91 would have to go Madlax

Serious question: which cheater team has the most cheater holdbacks? Based on proximity alone, I’d say the winner has to be Madlax. They are over 90%. Can any other cheater team beat that?

Another serious question: why don’t cheater teams ever play any on age games? LI elite teams play up most of their games. MD teams play down all their games. What’s up with that?

~Sal from LI

Sal with a "serious" question again, oh joy. Apparently Sal you have not picked up a dictionary or used the Google machine since your last "serious" question to understand the definition of basic words in the English language such as "cheater" (you might also want to look up the word "proximity" as well). That is OK as you likely are a kid or have the brain capacity of a child so I understand and will let this pass.

You say you are from LI you so you actually have no idea the actual ages of the kids on a team but suffice it to say that Madlax is nowhere near 90% "holdback". Go through all the bizarre logic you want to to come up with that fake news 90% but it is wrong. I do understand if the fragile egos of LI parents need to believe that so whatever makes you sleep better at night, just keep doing it.

As to your final question I think you may know the answer to that already and it is a question that actually destroys your whole "cheater" theme. It is no secret that there are kids on these teams that do not meet the age requirements for on age tournaments/games so they don't play in them, hence they are not cheaters. Teams from MD play in a grade based system and play in grade based tournaments. Please have a moderately intelligent friend explain this to you since you do not seem to get it. In addition MD teams do not play "down" all of their games. By your own logic all of the teams are "cheater holdbacks". These teams are generally playing most of their games against each other so they are not playing "down". As the parent of an on age elite player I think a grade system at the youth level is not ideal but I also know the vast majority of "off age" kids are summer birthdays so the age difference is way smaller than it is made out to be and generally it is nice for kids to play with kids in their grade/class so I don't lose any sleep over it.

Finally the same serious question from before Sal. Why do LI people care so much about MD lacrosse? You did not answer this question the first time. Personally I think it is a bit sad that a person from LI would post on a MD board but if it makes you happy stay with it.

Best of luck at the WSYL!

Lovingly,
Biff from MD

Yo Buff, wuz up?

Quick question. Why is it that after years of MD parents denying the existence of holdbacks, when they are finally outed, all of their kids mysteriously have “summer birthdays”? How does every holdback in MD have a “summer birthday”? While you are pondering your spin on this, you should know that all 2005 born players on LI are considered holdbacks. So having a “summer birthday” does not mean that your cheater holdback kid is any less a cheater. He’s just a regular, everyday, run of the mill holdback cheater. So your “summer birthday” spin really isn’t buying you any good will at all. Just thought you would want to know, so you can start thinking about your next really lame excuse for your lies, deception and Moral-less culture, you cheating vermin.

Cheat-on Bro!

~Sal from LI

Thanks bro. Check out my kid on ESPN2 on the 4th of July, for the World Championship. I’m sure you and your cheater kid will get a big kick out of it, watching players on TV that have been kicking his butt since 2nd grade. Who do ya’all think is going to win? INSIDE LACROSSE Magazine, the foremost authority on the sport of lacrosse, has seeded 91 Wolfpack #1 IN THE WORLD. that’s high praise, don’t you think? What do ya’all think?

Yo Buff. Serious question. Why do you suppose all of the MD on age kids are so bad? I really can’t figure it out. I mean, LI teams usually beat your cheater teams with 2023 age kids (ok, there’s a few 2022’s too). Could you imagine the carnage if a LI team ever played on age MD kids?? Yikes! I don’t even want to think about it! It must be like playing a C team on LI, and we don’t even have C teams! MD must have THE worst lacrosse players in the world, since they all play down. I mean, you guys are really the Pitts! Maybe your boys should focus on baseball, or better yet, track. What do you think?

Sal from Long Island

Maybe the best of your crappy hoco cheater league, but the #1 Ranked Team in the World, according to THE authority on the sport of lacrosse, INSIDE LACROSSE Magazine, 2024 TEAM 91 WOLFPACK is THE-best 2024 team in the world! Hey. Don’t believe me. Check them out in your next issue of INSIDE LACROSSE magazine. Should be a great article!

don’t think that at all . It’s actually sad that you think your 7th grade team is the best in the world .

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Sal with a "serious" question again, oh joy. Apparently Sal you have not picked up a dictionary or used the Google machine since your last "serious" question to understand the definition of basic words in the English language such as "cheater" (you might also want to look up the word "proximity" as well). That is OK as you likely are a kid or have the brain capacity of a child so I understand and will let this pass.

You say you are from LI you so you actually have no idea the actual ages of the kids on a team but suffice it to say that Madlax is nowhere near 90% "holdback". Go through all the bizarre logic you want to to come up with that fake news 90% but it is wrong. I do understand if the fragile egos of LI parents need to believe that so whatever makes you sleep better at night, just keep doing it.

As to your final question I think you may know the answer to that already and it is a question that actually destroys your whole "cheater" theme. It is no secret that there are kids on these teams that do not meet the age requirements for on age tournaments/games so they don't play in them, hence they are not cheaters. Teams from MD play in a grade based system and play in grade based tournaments. Please have a moderately intelligent friend explain this to you since you do not seem to get it. In addition MD teams do not play "down" all of their games. By your own logic all of the teams are "cheater holdbacks". These teams are generally playing most of their games against each other so they are not playing "down". As the parent of an on age elite player I think a grade system at the youth level is not ideal but I also know the vast majority of "off age" kids are summer birthdays so the age difference is way smaller than it is made out to be and generally it is nice for kids to play with kids in their grade/class so I don't lose any sleep over it.

Finally the same serious question from before Sal. Why do LI people care so much about MD lacrosse? You did not answer this question the first time. Personally I think it is a bit sad that a person from LI would post on a MD board but if it makes you happy stay with it.

Best of luck at the WSYL!

Lovingly,
Biff from MD[/quote]

Yo Buff, wuz up?

Quick question. Why is it that after years of MD parents denying the existence of holdbacks, when they are finally outed, all of their kids mysteriously have “summer birthdays”? How does every holdback in MD have a “summer birthday”? While you are pondering your spin on this, you should know that all 2005 born players on LI are considered holdbacks. So having a “summer birthday” does not mean that your cheater holdback kid is any less a cheater. He’s just a regular, everyday, run of the mill holdback cheater. So your “summer birthday” spin really isn’t buying you any good will at all. Just thought you would want to know, so you can start thinking about your next really lame excuse for your lies, deception and Moral-less culture, you cheating vermin.

Cheat-on Bro!

~Sal from LI

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Sal -

Good to hear from you and your friend who posted right after you. Was a little busy walking the fairways at Chevy and Congo (it's what keeps me "Buff" as you called me) so haven't had a ton of time to continue our conversation. I find it amusing you still have yet to answer the question I have posed multiple times but since you continue to use english language words incorrectly ("cheater" for example) I assume you struggle with forming a coherent response. FYI, your 100% holdback, all kids 2/3 years older spin is not buying you any good will at all either. Just so you know us MD folk do not care at all about LI lacrosse or what you think of us.

"But Biff, if you don't care why do you respond?" Excellent question Sal. I respond because nothing amuses me more than triggering people whose entire existence seems to revolve around youth lacrosse and if I can get a chuckle or two out of my follow MD people then my job is done. To your little friend who posted right after you. Do you honestly believe that anyone outside of those associated with the teams involved and the people of LI are interrupting their July 4th celebration to watch the WSYL? If you do I have a sweet real estate deal to pitch you.

Finally Sal, since you ended your last post in such a mean way, my final words to you are: "You dirt-eating piece of slime! You person-sucking pig! You son of a motherless goat!"

Once again best of luck to the kids attending the WSYL. I have no doubt it will be a great experience for them. Sal and your little friend, perhaps you should just sit back and enjoy it as opposed to worrying so much about MD lacrosse.

To all the actual MD people, good luck in the HoCo playoffs!

Your friend,
Biff (or "Buff" as Sal likes to call me, hope it catches on)

I think it's 7th grade lacrosse and who cares? Seriously these parents who put so much stock in this are absolutely delusional. How about just enjoy the ride and try to be quiet on the sidelines so your kid can have fun for once!!

Yo Buff. Sal here, with another serious question.

How many holdbacks are on your kids team? I know that the 80% number is well documented on this very MD thread, by disgruntled parents of on age players. But, hey, maybe they are just upset because their kid doesn’t get any playing time because he plays behind a bunch of holdbacks. So maybe, just maybe, it’s less than 80%. We both know it’s not, because of the sheer numbers of posts claiming the contrary, but hey let’s just play along, right? For the sake of argument, let’s be crazy conservative and say 50%. Yeah. A joke! I know! But let’s run the numbers. 50% of an average of 26 player roster is 13 players. Ok. 13 players are holdbacks. But, wait a minute. Top teams only play 13 players in competitive games, right. So in every competitive game, only holdbacks touch the field in this 50% scenario. So for all practical purposes, that fictional 50% holdback team is really 100% holdbacks!

So when you play my kid Luigi’s team from LI, who has no holdbacks or any 05’s for that matter, your kid Buff Jr’s team Is a full year older, whether we use your lame 50% holdback lie, or the reality of 80%.

Which leads me to my next serious question, why are MD players so bad that they have to cheat and still lose. But we’ll leave that serious question for next time.

Until then, say hey to Junior for me.

~Sal from LI

Sal and Your LI Buds -

Good to hear from you as always. I love the spirited debate. I am still a little baffled that no one from LI can seem to answer a very simple question: why do you care so much about MD lacrosse? All I am asking for is one well reasoned response. I think I have been gracious enough to try and answer your questions so if one of you could take a stab at answering that question it would be much appreciated.

As to your last post we can debate age, % of team all you want, end of the day until birth dates are posted no one here really knows. It would not surprise me if some of the disgruntled people posting as "MD parents" are, wait for it, from LI. But that is neither here her nor there, and I will again concede that there are "off age" players as defined by WSYL or whatever governing body determines age groups for age based leagues and tournaments (which by the way we do not play in, so once again not cheaters). I also love how you play the game that even if you are on age but not born in an eight month window you are a holdback, very clever. Also your bizarre logic on the 50% of 26 means that 100% of the players who are on the field are holdbacks is 100% wrong since I know for a fact that at least on our elite team the starting 10 are no where near 100% holdback. As always believe what you want.

As to your final point you do realize this is a long game for many people don't you? A very high percentage of the kids on MD elite teams are either at, or will be attending, high schools that are consistently nationally ranked and each year send a good numbers of kids to top Div I schools. Once again if you want to define these kids as "bad" so be it, that is your opinion and you are more than welcome to it.

A final thought for you, you do realize that saying another team is good in no way detracts from whatever team you root for. I know that many of the LI teams I have seen play (or we played against) are excellent teams. I have also repeatedly wished the WSYL teams the best of luck, for those participating it will be a great experience. If you want to say (or maybe you are) the best 2024 team in the nation, then great, happy for you and your kids. In a year and a half these kids will be playing high school lacrosse and for those who won championships or were ranked #1 in the 7th grade they will have a great memory and for those who didn't it will all be irrelevant.

Well my caddie just told me the 1st tee is open so until next time.

Your loving friend,
Biff

My son plays for a 5th grade high level club team in MD. We beat up on the 5th grade Express, and Express North in the fall. All I heard was complaints about hold backs once the game was going in our favor. It made me chuckle, because we don't have any on the team. Then you look on the boards on here, and there's LI teams complaining about each other using hold backs. Is that just the automatic defense to a loss?

I am not a LI parent. The holdback issue is real and not even under the radar. Ask the HOCO league who actually does have DOB's for the players. It is within the rules to have older players as no age restrictions are required but they do have DOB's it all depends on what one considers the correct age for a 2024 class/grade. The contact information for the league is on the HOCO website and they will confirm this. Look at 2024 National Championship event under the rules the reference "While it will seem like the most important event in the history of the world to some, we ask that everyone attend the event for 13/14 years olds with perspective. We should change the current mold of youth lacrosse and expect all parties should exhibit the highest level of sportsmanship at all times." In some places 14 year olds are entering 9th grade. I do remember a time when 7th grade would be 12/13 year olds. In public schools a child born prior to August 05 would be a rising 9th grader. The assumption that no 12 year old players would be at this event is telling.

Shut up 5th grader know nothing daddy and go back to the 5th grade board. No 5th grade parents here, you troll.