BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums MID-ATLANTIC LACROSSE MARYLAND FORUM Boys 2023-8th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019

SP league has a winless AAA Looneys, winless AA Koopers, Zingo who only beat Koopers,
And B Fallston. Dumb post about other wins hammerhead. Oh, and the HoCo was over a winless team too

With two games left in the HOCO season it looks like clear front runners have emerged in the Elite Division and AAA Division, 2-3 teams in AA and 3-4 teams in A&B divisions. Team 91 got a win so their season is saved. The teams that moved up a division from last season struggled and the teams that moved down are near the top of the divisions. I think the biggest surprise this season is the Crabs. It should be a fun last few weeks before these teams go on to tournaments then showcases where the W&L's do not matter as much and the chatter on these boards about dies off. Just ask the 2022 parents from last season.

Except now when MM yells "give it to the 9th grader," he means his own re-classed kid.

What is up with Looneys. Won by a goal over NL. Only other win is over 91.

What is up with FCA. Only won by a goal (and a non-call) over Looneys. Only other wins are against the same teams Looneys beat.

There are 3 teams with better skills athleticism and size. The other 5 teams in elite division are fairly close and should have mostly competitive games. Kudos to FCA for giving Crabs all they could handle. It's OK to be merely a very good team. These are still youth teams

Did Koopers 2023 quit the season in their own league? Zero wins in either league. Lotta chatter preseason about moving up.

What happened with hawks and T91 games? HoCo site isn’t updated.

Combined scores of Looneys vs the top 3 teams in HOCO is 55-17.

Not sure what FCA's scores will be since (1) They still have one game against the top 3 and (2) Last game score isn't posted. So the comparison is apparently based on doing well against the Crabs. Note however that the Crabs were without their top scorer when they played FCA.

Regardless, FCA will be the fourth seed, and presumably Looneys the 5th. But its clear that the two teams are pretty evenly matched.

Not sure why this is an FCA - Looneys comparison. FCA lost to hawks 9-4. Very competitive game but hawks had the better offense and made fewer mistakes.

5th seed with 2 wins, both against 1 win teams! Now that is glass half full perspective there!

The comparison is between the two "middle" teams. They both will (likely) have lost all their games to the top three and won against the bottom 3. FCA won the head-to-head by one goal so they will make the playoffs and then lose to Crabs.

Hawks won

Looks like HoCo changed their league website host...no more standings posted as far as I can tell.

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back

New website is lousy. Does anyone know the tie breakers? If DCD beat Crabs, Crabs beat Hawks, Hawks beat DCD, who is the number one team? The new site does not show GD and I think GA was another criteria that was used as well as SOS which will be the same for all teams.

That new website is horrible.

Looks like it was a county-wide change...Lacrosse league probably didn’t have a say in the decision making.

Which division? Hard to grade if you have not watched the games.

[quote=Anonymous]Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Attack (Individual and Team): Not even close. Definitely Team 91 and #9.

If we are talking Elite and I am assuming we are:

Best Team - Crabs even with the loss to DC Dogs; this is still the team to beat
Best Coaching - Hawks; I feel this is the most disciplined team from top to bottom and they seem to understand the game of lacrosse and how it should be played
Best Attack (Individual and Team) - Crabs have the best 3 and this isn't even close; I think #20 for crabs has the best all around game; speed, ball handling etc
Best Midfield (Individual and Team) - Toss up between DC Dogs and Hawks; not sure if any one individual stood out
Best Defense (Individual and Team) - Toss up between Crabs and Hawks; both are big, fast and have high lacrosse IQs
Best Goalie (Individual and Team) - Toss up again between Hawks and Crabs; I give the edge to Crabs with the crabs goalie being the best at the 2023 level
Best FO (Individual and Team) - Toss up between Crabs and FCA; I think Crabs have the best 1-2 punch with 6 being better than 10, FCA kid may be the most skilled
Most improved Team - DC Dogs since they are technically the newest team and could win on any given Sunday.
Team that took the biggest step back - The easy answer would be 91 based on what is written on this forum but I actually feel they have improved somewhat. They need a goalie and some more size. I would say its a toss up between Next Level and Looney's who played an amazing game this past weekend.

Shouldn't this be broken down in two categories..On age players and Holdback players. Big difference for many on age 8th graders going against heldback 9th graders. .

Good point but who knows what age these kids are at the 2023s; sad but true. We can all agree that the Crabs and Dogs have the most High School players on their respective teams.

Carbs goalie versus Hawks goalie - two best but have to give it to the Crabs goalie since the Hawks goalie got 'shelled' a few weeks back
3 best teams are at the top of the division (Crabs, Hawks and Dogs) again they all have the most holdbacks so this is to be expected.

Since when has that stopped anyone from giving their opinion.

I missed something? Was there an award for biggest Daddy ball? Or maybe consecutive shots into the goalie's stick? If so, you nailed it 100%.

What are the HOCO tie-breaker considerations - from 1st to last?

http://www.teampages.com/leagues/134996/announcements/1542868-
Playoff Weekend - Tie Breaking Procedures:

Record/Winning percentage
Head to Head
Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten
Total winning percentage of all your opponents
Total goals scored against
Coin Toss/Card Draw

DC Dogs Bear Crabs. And all the Crabs dads here think their team is better

Ouch ! Thats gotta Hurt..

That’s why you play the game. DC dogs beat Crabs but lost to Hawks. Hawks beat DCD but lost to Crabs. We will have to wait until the playoffs to see who will be champions this year. Should be a interesting end of the season.

Best 8th grade team should be added with the winner of the AAA div.

2023 Awards- I have seen all of these teams play multiple times

Best Team- Dogs
Best Coaching- Hawks
Best Attack (Individual and Team)- Hawks #9, Crabs unit
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)- Dogs
Best Defense (Individual and Team)- Hawks, Loonies
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)- Hawks and Crabs
Best FO (Individual and Team)- 91 and Crabs
Most improved Team- 91 not even close; they were terrible last year
Team that took the biggest step back- Loonies but they may never have been up enough to step back

One win over another One win team is a big improvement ! LOL.

"One win over another One win team is a big improvement ! LOL."

Look at the margin of victory in each game. Ask anyone who has seen those guys play. We were blown away by the improvement from when they played last year.
MM kid is very good but they are much better overall from last year's team. Wins and losses were not a criteria I chose to use.

NM, these trolls shouldn't get a response.

I’m not sure the kid from 91 has been better than 50% against any team this year at the X. I saw him against FCA, DC Dogs and Loonines and he was beaten badly in all 3 games. I would give him best effort at the X but clearly not the best or close to it. Crabs duo will handle him no problem this weekend.

Thanks Mark !

2023 Awards

Best Team - I still have to go with the Crabs; even after their loss to the Dogs; lets hope for a rematch
Best Coaching - Hawks
Best Attack (Individual and Team) - Crabs and this is not even close
Best Midfield (Individual and Team) - Dogs - very good team when transitioning the ball
Best Defense (Individual and Team) - Crabs with the Hawks a close second
Best Goalie (Individual and Team) - again crabs with Hawks a close second
Best FO (Individual and Team) - again crabs with FCA a close second
Most improved Team - Crabs - even with the loss to the Dogs this team has reloaded and far better than they were last year.
Team that took the biggest step back - Looney's and Next Level tie

Best Team - Crabs - but the Dogs rematch in the championship will be a good one
Best Coaching - Crabs
Best Attack (Individual and Team) - Crabs but the Hawks have the best individual
Best Midfield (Individual and Team) - Dogs - big, athletic
Best Defense (Individual and Team) - I don't like the zone but it is effective - Hawks
Best Goalie (Individual and Team) - Crabs
Best FO (Individual and Team) - Crabs - honorable mention for the Hawks kid. I like his toughness.
Most improved Team - Crabs obviously
Team that took the biggest step back - What happened to NL?

2023 Awards

Best Team - Dogs Had a let down against Hawks that won't happen again. They outplayed the crabs
Best Coaching - Dogs
Best Attack (Individual and Team) Dogs
Best Midfield (Individual and Team) Dogs by far
Best Defense (Individual and Team) Crabs
Best Goalie (Individual and Team) Crabs with Dogs a very close second
Best FO (Individual and Team) Dogs, Crabs and FCA all seem to be close. Hawks kids struggling this year
Most improved Team - Dogs just bc they are new to the elite division and the most talented team at the elite division
Team that took the biggest step back - Next Level without question; wonder why? lol