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Talking about last years Under Armour All American Game... Not The National Tourney.

The post was referring to the 2018 Under Armour All-American Senior Game. The MVP of that game was a player from Florida who I believe is now at USC.

BTW, the Under Armour All-American First Wave should be out any day now... How many Long Island players will there be in the first wave? One maybe two? How many total from Long Island this year? Seven or Eight?

Same argument has been going on forever, everyone gets it wrong at every level - 35 kids on a roster and 17 see any meaningful playing time. I would bet the bench of any top 30 team is littered with HS All-Americans, UA All-Americans, School Girls players, All-County Players, etc., but they can't get on the field. Tom Brady drafted in the sixth round, Steph Curry 3-4 round, etc. BTW the list of Heisman Trophy winners who were NFL busts is enormous

They do not get it wrong very often at the top programs (that is why they are consistently the top programs). You can only start 12 so just because a player doesn't start or see much playing time does not mean that the coaches got it wrong. Also, not every recruit is equal, each school has a #1 and a # 5 and a #10 recruit. You can't compare All-county, school girls, US Lacrosse AA with Under Armour All-American. Pretty sure there are more than 500 US Lacrosse AA's every year and forget about how many all-county / school girl players there are. Under Armour names 44 players. Not many of the #1's or UA All-Americans riding the bench. If the #8 or #9 recruit who received little to no scholarship is not seeing much playing time how did the coaches get it wrong?

The top programs consistently bring in the top recruits and the top programs consistently do better than the programs that do not get the top recruits. I know there are many on this site who want to believe that the college coaches at the top programs get it wrong "all the time" and that the Inside Lacrosse Player Rankings and Under Armour All-America are meaningless and political but the results say otherwise. UA, IL and the coaches from the best college programs all identify the same players as being the top recruits. For the most part those players go to the top college programs and those programs always seem to be among the top 10 - 20.

If they always got it wrong and the lists and teams were a joke i think we would see more parity but we do not.

Celebration starts @ 3:45pm. Game is at 4:30pm.

Just because a player does not start or play much especially as a freshmen at a top program does not mean they got it wrong. Much tougher to break into the lineup at a top 10 program than it is at a program outside the top 30.

The best HS players typically start as freshmen

Glenn down by 5 at 4:36pm

This post is just ignorant for several reasons. The top programs do get it wrong but bring in 5-6 top players every year while the not consistently top programs bring in 1-3 so if they both get 50 percent correct the top programs have 11 top players on the field while the others have 4 , meaning those top rograms can afford to get it wrong half the time. As far as UA AA's not riding the bench, wrong again , watch a Maryland game more sit the bench than play.

Not always true at the top 10 programs. Looking at Boston College, Maryland and North Carolina. In competitive games very few freshmen are getting playing time.

Boston College Vs Syracuse: BC Starters - 1 grad student, 6 seniors, 1 RS Junior, 3 juniors, 1 sophomore . Subs were 1 senior, 1 junior, 1 Soph.

Maryland Vs Syracuse: Maryland Starters - 1 grad student, 8 seniors (I guess 50% don't quit), 2 Juniors, 1 Sophomore. Subs were 1 junior, 1 sop, 1 freshmen.

North Carolina Vs Maryland: Carolina Starters - 3 seniors, 3 juniors, 4 sophomore, 2 freshmen. Subs were 3 sophomores, 1 freshmen.

I am sure if the freshmen at those schools were at less competitive programs they would be getting more time. Tough to break in as a freshmen at top 10 - 20 programs. Really tough to break in at the top 5.

First article I've seen on the recruiting. Seems pretty one sided to me and doesn't take into account a number of things including multisport athletes in the Fall and having some idea of which camps, etc... to go to in the summer.

https://www.uslaxmagazine.com/colle...hreatens-to-preempt-lacrosse-legislation

Thanks Captain Obvious

They do not get it wrong very often at the top programs (that is why they are consistently the top programs). You can only start 12 so just because a player doesn't start or see much playing time does not mean that the coaches got it wrong. Also, not every recruit is equal, each school has a #1 and a # 5 and a #10 recruit. You can't compare All-county, school girls, US Lacrosse AA with Under Armour All-American. Pretty sure there are more than 500 US Lacrosse AA's every year and forget about how many all-county / school girl players there are. Under Armour names 44 players. Not many of the #1's or UA All-Americans riding the bench. If the #8 or #9 recruit who received little to no scholarship is not seeing much playing time how did the coaches get it wrong?

The top programs consistently bring in the top recruits and the top programs consistently do better than the programs that do not get the top recruits. I know there are many on this site who want to believe that the college coaches at the top programs get it wrong "all the time" and that the Inside Lacrosse Player Rankings and Under Armour All-America are meaningless and political but the results say otherwise. UA, IL and the coaches from the best college programs all identify the same players as being the top recruits. For the most part those players go to the top college programs and those programs always seem to be among the top 10 - 20.

If they always got it wrong and the lists and teams were a joke i think we would see more parity but we do not. [/quote]


This post is just ignorant for several reasons. The top programs do get it wrong but bring in 5-6 top players every year while the not consistently top programs bring in 1-3 so if they both get 50 percent correct the top programs have 11 top players on the field while the others have 4 , meaning those top rograms can afford to get it wrong half the time. As far as UA AA's not riding the bench, wrong again , watch a Maryland game more sit the bench than play.[/quote]

You have no clue. The programs are not getting it wrong 50% of the time. What do you not understand ? Not every recruit at a top program is a "top recruit". The #9 at Maryland is not the same as the #1 at Maryland. Most college coaches do not expect their lower tier recruits to make an impact especially as a freshmen. As for the Maryland UA All-Americans riding the bench... Tell us who the are sitting behind. They are sitting behind upperclassmen who were also UA All-Americans. Next year, the current Juniors, sophomores and freshmen (who were UA-AA's) will fill the void left by the grad student and the 8 seniors that start.

Apparently not so obvious to some on this site... ; )

Nice job by Sayville ,They have 5-6 great players (redacted)

great win by Patchogue with excellent ball movement. Suffolk County has a lot of great teams.

The US Lacrosse article seems to address what's best for the coaches. Doesn't always align with what's best for student-athletes, as you point out (official visits conflicting with fall HS sports, camp roulette, etc.). I wish US Lacrosse would conduct a poll of the 2020 families that just went through the new 9/1 contact date...

And a poll of the 2021 families that are spending thousands of dollars almost blindly because of the lack of communication. We are talking about a difference of 2.5 months. The new rules have helped things in terms of slowing it down. But common sense would tell you that the end of 10th grade makes more sense than the beginning of 11th. Have some insight going into the summer when you have to decide what camps to send your child to. Not to mention as pointed out above the issues with visits in September when most girls play a fall sport. The coaches say they want multi-sport athletes and then fight for rules that make it very difficult to be one so they can line their pockets with money from the camps. They like it this way. Sophomores didn't used to attend camps because they had already committed. Lot more money for their assistants this way.

my daughter is a 2020 who went on a handful of unofficial visits starting in 8th grade. At one point in March of 2017 just before they switched the rules she was very close to committing to a school because they told us the rules were changing and the door was going to close. My daughter decided she needed more time, and wasn't 100% sure. So she waited. Last spring she decided she wasn't going to do any camps, although she received general invites in the mail, and continued interest emails from schools to club. Midnight September 1st she got emails and calls from schools she really hadn't visited and considered, and ultimately committed a few weeks later to one of those schools, and we couldn't be happier.
As a parent who went through that process I wish we could have spoken to schools at the end of her sophomore year for a couple of reasons...1) there were schools she had hoped to hear from, and we considered spending the money to visit them, but with no idea how serious they would be we were wise to not spend the money (but others do and that's the catch with the schools $$$). 2) there were schools she heard from September 1 that she may have actually visited over the summer instead of cramming in 5 visits the first half of September (because they do play Fall sports and have schoolwork to do).
If they care about the kid, let them have the summertime to fit in some unrushed unofficial visits. Many kids are travelling for Lax anyway, some of these places can be on the way to and from the school. if you're a College coach and you really want a specific girl you can get that done AND still string along many others for the money grab camps.
In short, as a 2020 parent who just went through the circuit, July 1st seems reasonable

Stop your complaining, don't do it if you don't like it...

So you like randomly shelling out money to schools? Go ahead.

100% agree! As another parent of a 2020-I could have written this post.
My kid had 4 offers and took 7 unofficials Freshman year-the coaches were in no rebels and we're very thankful that our daughter took her time. We didn't think the rule would pass back in 2017 or if it did, the 2020s/2019s would have until August. The rule effective immediately was quite a shocker. The June 15th is a much better contact date than 9/1! My daughter did go to a few camps that were a waste of money. It would have been nice to talk to coaches over the summer and would be helpful to plan out camps, see who goes and watches at your tournaments, etc. Officials starting August 1 is great b/c the PSA can plan the visits and spread them out. We crammed all 5 officials in the month of september. Only one school put on pressure to commit--the rest told us to take the time needed and visit as many schools as needed. Getting to plan and spread out the officials would be very beneficial to kids. My girl ended up not getting to compete in her fall sport bc of all the visits. She also missed a ton of school. If she had more time, could have planned visits on teacher work days and holidays. In the end, my girl also ended up committing to a school that was not on the radar at all, but loves the school, great academics and got an awesome offer and is thrilled with her decision.

Don't do it then, solves that problem...parents have been doing it for the last 20yrs, What makes you any different?

I am a parent of a 2019 that was affected by the rule change. I can not 100% for certain say that the rule change is right or wrong. But what I can say is that official visits should be done in the Fall when School is in session and fall ball is going on. The PSA gets a more realistic feel of college life at each campus academically, socially and Athletically. Also probably better to miss school early in the semester and during the off season, after all they are Student "lacrosse" athletes

Right on. Here are my well informed two cents having gone through the process...

PSA's need June to finish their sophomore years in the classroom. Last I checked, NY State schools are in session until June 25th. Do you want your child managing phone calls from college coaches when they are in the crunch time of end of the year projects and exams?

Conversations in June and July will equal offers and commitments sight unseen. Just you wait. A handful of college coaches and aggressive parents and club coaches will absolutely be trying to make this happen. Again, just you wait.

Let coaches evaluate all summer so they have the best handle on their needs and the talent out there in peace. Let PSA's play all summer long without having to manage phone calls and conversations with coaches.

Parents and PSA's DO YOUR RESEARCH. Ask your club and high school coach what level they think you have the potential to play at. Consider your academic standing--be realistic about what schools would be a good fit for you in that regard. Be smart about what camps and showcase events you CHOOSE to do. Remember no one is making your do anything...you have choices. You don't have to say yes to everything and anything.

Visits in August, when school isn't in session and the team isn't on campus will equal the same kind of uninformed decisions that 8th and 9th graders were making before the rule was put in place.

August is the only month of the year that is off for college coaches...first two weeks of the month are a dead period. I bet most won't even entertain visits in August.

Fall sports are an issue?? Talk to the college coaches about when you can and can't take visits based on your fall sport practice or game schedule. If a program is really interested in you, I can't imagine a college coach would want a PSA to miss an important practice or game for a visit to their school.

This is about finding the BEST match for PSA's and college programs. Getting to see the whole picture: academics, practice, team, coaches on a visit is the most critical piece to making an informed decision for BOTH PSA's and programs. If you have been through the recruiting process before, then you know that isn't happening in August.

Starting the recruiting process on September 1st is better for PSA's and the programs. Starting this process in September equals much better decisions and ultimately happier kids, families, programs.

The coaches know what they are doing here.

Disagree with the majority of what you're saying. By the end of Soph year, the coaches know who they want, they don't need another summer to watch, they've been watching since 8th grade. As for managing phone calls?? Give me a break.

Looks like Wantagh has fallen back to earth after a handful of good years. As someone who has watched Nassau forever, I would say the 3 schools with staying power year after year are GC, CSH, Manhasset others all others just come and go

Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad ones too and the blowouts don't help either side.

You couldn't be MORE wrong. Maybe some coaches think they know who they want but by in large--they want to see kids play MORE and not feel rushed to make a decision about a player.

Remember ONE of the reasons the college coaches wanted the rule change in the first place is because kids weren't panning out and late bloomers were getting missed. If you don't think most kids change for better or worse from 9th-11th grade--then you really have no idea what you are talking about.

As for managing phone calls....have you had a kid go through the process to know what that is like? If you have, then you would know that it is fun and exciting, but also time consuming and stressful as well. How do you think getting phone calls and having conversations with college coaches throughout the summer club season would impact the dynamic of your daughters club team? Think about THAT for a minute....

Spot on

What's the biggest difference between the top 3 and Wantagh?

I have had two kids go through the process, and a third on the way, having the summer before Jr. year to communicate with coaches, visit schools during the week, or coupled with tournaments. Being able to talk to coaches at tournaments, would be awesome, and much less stressful than doing this stuff during school. What does communication with coaches have to do with club dynamics??? We all know who is getting recruited and where for the most part.

About 10 goals

Agree with all of this.

My daughter is a 2020 whose club team got little exposure before fall of freshman year. The club she plays for is the best option in our area - no "top tier" clubs reasonably close - and we were not interested in the logistics of her playing for a team that wasn't local. We were also not interested in her emailing coaches and visiting colleges until after 8th grade....she was 13, after all. Once my daughter got exposure at fall recruiting tournaments her freshman year, she received a lot more interest from coaches including a number of top 20 programs. She sent many emails and had many phone calls (which required the extra step of scheduling times to call through the club coach) and some visits to schools that were most appealing to her. She found a school and lacrosse program that was a great all-around fit and committed prior to the rule change. Things worked out and we were comfortable with her decision, but I still think back to how crazy it was going through all that with a 14 year old.

Personally I think there should be no contact before or during freshman year. Let coaches have time to see more girls play and evaluate, and let players adjust to high school and play for a year without worrying so much about recruiting. I see the advantage of allowing contact (but no offers) during sophomore year so players and coaches can know where they stand with each other and prioritize which camps to attend, which players to watch more, etc.; but, there will be parents, clubs and college coaches who don't follow the rules. The line was crossed when recruiting crept into middle school. Some parents, club coaches and college coaches just couldn't help themselves, so now we have no contact at all until September 1st junior year.

LOL, you are right this year anyway

Exactly. And the new proposal is only moving the contact date back 2.5 months at the END of 10th grade. The slowing down the process has been great for the girls. But this 2.5 months allows families to make more informed decisions on how to spend their time and money that summer. There are actually 3 proposals which the one-sided US Lacrosse Magazine fails to mention. The original proposal is to allow contact 6/15 but no campus visits or offers until 8/1. There is a second proposal to allow offers on 6/15 because of the difficulty in compliance monitoring whether coaches are making offers once contact is allowed but still no visits until 8/1. The third proposal is to change all other sports(Excluding basketball, football, baseball and hockey) to these new rules with the exception of lacrosse. I fully agree that the process needed to be slowed down. This still has a firm date of 6/15 instead of 9/1. It's 2.5 months earlier, not 2 years. I am really baffled by those that feel this is somehow detrimental to the players and their families.

I would argue that teenage girls (in particular) trying to manage interest/phone calls and potential offers from college coaches in the midst of trying to perform their best over the course of the summer--has great potential to be more stressful than just waiting to until September 1st to formally begin the recruiting process. As you said, it's just 2.5 months. What's the big deal to wait and see who has TRUE interest until then? Coaches will have a much better idea of who they are interested in recruiting after 6 weeks of evaluating vs what....one weekend? Will NY kids even play on the June 8th weekend or will they be in State playoffs and exams?

Where to spend time and money this summer? Do some homework and send your kid to camps at schools she is interested in and that could be a good fit for her both academically and lacrosse wise.

And I will repeat, if you don't think it also has the potential to wreck havoc with club team dynamics, then you haven't been involved with this long enough.

Agreed. NYS goes through these 3 schools. Some buzz about syosset as I think they moved up a Class. GC has 13 returning seniors and Manhasset defending champs.. geez. Suffolk teams .. hold my...

The only reason CSH has staying power is because they play in C...When sett was in C CSH never won, Wantagh has been down in C for 2yrs and split county titles with CSH...Wantagh won B with GC and sett in it few years ago...With that said, those 3 are ranked in the top 15 in the country this year. Add into it that the top 3 have a little more coaching stability...sett 1st new coach in 15+ yrs, CSH same coach 10+ yrs, GC 20 yrs and Wantagh 4th new coach in 4yrs.

100% agree, more backstabbing and me first nonsense in lax recruiting than in politics...Never seen so many people turn on each other in my life...