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I wasn't aware colleges and high schools limited a kid's eligibility because his age doesn't meet the 9/1 date or isn't the same as it is up in NY.

It doesnt...But we are talking YOUTH lacrosse. Different world. Well different except to holdbacks who want an advantage most players dont get...The after playing against younger players the parents pat themselves on back and make excuses for holding him back

It's not against the rules. Don't play against them if you are so concerned.

No, you are talking about youth lacrosse on a 2024 Mid-Atlantic thread and it's exhausting. Grab your pitchfork and torch and try to convince any tournament or league director who cares. Guess what, none of them do. You are too young to understand but you are tilting at windmills.

Dude, you would've stunk anyway even if you were held back.

A double hold back is one thing, but a pre first kid at a private school isn't a sinister plot to overthrow LI.
Yes, it might be a disguised money grab for the schools, but generally parents don't have any recourse if the
school makes the decision. The decision is usually based on a kids maturity level and not so much on academic performance.

Such an intelligent, thought proving post. But seriously, as the parent of a post adolescent 15 year old Madlax holdback, what’s it like playing down almost three years and still losing? Must be very discouraging.

Lol. Too funny! I realize that your kid is suppose to be in HS, but 2024’s aren’t in HS. It’s your sons age that is confusing you. Age-wise, he’s in HS. Grade-wise he’s in middle school. So this conversation is about middle school age lacrosse. Not HS. Understand now?

Thank you for the Madlax DC perspective where all players start school a year later than everyone else. Holdbacks to Madlax is what anyone else would call a 2022 double holdback.

This post typifies the Madlax hold back parent absolutely perfectly!! Dude. A kid that starts school a year later, is a year older than his peers. He’s a holdback. Not a “sort of” holdback. A full fledged cheating holdback. Since ALL Madlax DC prep school kids are a year older from starting school a year late, they don’t see them as holdbacks. They think only their kids that start school a year late AND are then held back AGAIN are real holdbacks, of which they have many! Those kids will be 15 years old this year! On LI these kids would be 2022’s and FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL! You people have very twisted minds.

Yeah. And the good freshman play HS varsity. So if your double holdbacks are as good as you say they are, they should be playing for their high school varsity team, not against a bunch of pre-puberty 7th grade children. Disgusting cheats!

Keep telling your kid whatever you want to on the ride home from the field. Most of the pre first kids were young to begin with...late summer birthdays. I know plenty that will be 14 in late July and August. You need the storyline to make you feel better and if that's what works at your dinner table, great.

Correct. Like their new 6’1”, double holdback, midi-FO, behemoth, that played for the ‘23 DC Dogs last year. You know, the one that replaced their last 6’1” double holdback, behemoth that went back to being just a holdback, now playing with the ‘23s, which Madlax calls playing “up”. Probably the only team anywhere that refers to one of their holdback as playing “up”, in their fantasy world. Just the most visible example of the many Madlax players that should be mid way through their freshman year in high school right now. Does the abuse of a “grade based” based system, as opposed to an “age based” system, get any worse? Lets truly hope not. Absolutely despicable.

I’m sure you do have kids that will be 14 in July and August. Is that, in your mind, somehow cheating less?? Those kids should be in 8th grade!

Since you brought it up... I can tell you, there are several starters on our LI 2024 team that will still be 12 in July and August, and far later than that. Yes. Twelve.

I’m sure you know several of your kids that will be 14 during months throughout the winter and spring, so the fact that you single out a couple of kids that have summer birthdays, is really inconsequential, isn’t it? Kinda like an oserich sticking his head in the sand.

But enough with the holdbacks. Let’s talk Madlax double holdbacks. Yeah, the 15 year olds. Are some of those kids summer babies too? And if so, in the Madlax twisted fantasy world, is that somehow cheating less, also?? Ok. How many winter/spring double holdbacks? You don’t want to talk about any of the kids that are 15 already or will be in the next few months? Doing the ostrich thing again?

And you still stink even with your ranting. What will I tell my kid when he rolls you over and over, "good job." It's not against the rules and good luck at Rutgers or SUNY while the DC kids are at the Ivy's or schools like Michigan and UVA. I guess your therapist says this a good place to get out your anxieties.

In the rare event that a prefirst kid is held back a second time, it wouldn't happen until the rest of the team starts 9th grade. That's when these kids change private schools and repeat 8th grade. So your pre puberty 7th graders are safe.

Yes, there are also 12 year old kids in 7th grade, and on these DC/MD teams as well.

Assuming you are not a DC Madlax parent, I’m sure you are correct. But that 12 year old is on the bottom half of your roster with 15 holdbacks in front of him, so poor kid never sees the field. Ours all start.

If you are a Madlax DC parent, you are a slithering liar. There are no 22 year olds on Madlax.

You are such a dope.

Here is the age eligibility for NY.
AGE AND GRADE: Regulation of the Commissioner of Education: A student shall be eligible for interschool competition in grades 9, 10, 11 and 12 until his/her nineteenth birthday. If the age of nineteen years is reached on or after July 1, the student may continue to participate during that school year in all sports.

Here it is for schools like Landon and Bullis: Any student turning nineteen years of age prior to September 1 is not eligible for that school year.

Here it is for MD schools: Students who are 19 years old or older as of August 31 are ineligible to participate in interscholastic athletics.

They are all the same. Go hit the wall, kid.

You’re a funny little man, Madlax daddy. But I think you may have a personality disorder. First you deny that your team has any hold backs. Deny! Deny! Deny! Then you brag about having more holdbacks than anyone. Brag! Brag! Brag! Now you’ve flipped again and you’re denying again. Deny! Deny! Deny! Makeup your mind already, this is like a watching a ping pong ball match. Back and forth. Back and forth. You must drive wifey nuts!

Assuming you are not a DC Madlax parent, I’m sure you are correct. But that 12 year old is on the bottom half of your roster with 15 holdbacks in front of him, so poor kid never sees the field. Ours all start.
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What league are you referring to? Does this mean the league's age eligibility starts on January 1? Please post the league site www so I can look up the rules. LI leagues should change their eligibility to match what their own high schools, the rest of the country and USL is moving to.

You’re a funny little man, Madlax daddy. But I think you may have a personality disorder. First you deny that your team has any hold backs. Deny! Deny! Deny! Then you brag about having more holdbacks than anyone. Brag! Brag! Brag! Now you’ve flipped again and you’re denying again. Deny! Deny! Deny! Makeup your mind already, this is like a watching a ping pong ball match. Back and forth. Back and forth. You must drive wifey nuts!



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Facts are beyond you. Sorry you didn't make the travel team.

#24 is not a holdback, and he certainly is not a double holdback. I know because my kid played with him in Denver at WSYL last summer. He was probably the youngest kid there. Going to be rough for the rest of the 2024 teams, when Madlax has the two 6'1" kids on the same line. It used to be that #24 was the only big kid on that team. Not any more. They are huge now and I am told they just picked up another big time midi.

Um, you aren't helping. MadLax didn't have a team at WSYL because they couldn't field a team with enough age eligible players between their capital and dmv teams. That means they couldn't find 20 kids born after 9/1 from about 45 on the rosters to play. But #24 is on age and played on Next Level along with a few other MadLax kids. Of course, they told Next Level they would stay but lied outright to get to WSYL. Yes, scummy move.

But they aren't double holdbacks and every good tournament, NY schools, Mid-Atlantic schools and even USL Nationals have moved towards class based instead of age based. LI is lagging and the maniac posting is on the wrong side. He can continue to scream and shout but the age thing moved older a long time ago and won't be rolled back.

LI dads say what you want. Our boys can’t wait to keep kicking your boys up and down the field as we have for the past 4 years when they were all pre-pubescent! Now it just stands out even more how dominating it is to you guys. Get use to it bc your boys will always be behind. Tell Johnny to go to the carport and start doing some benching and curls with the cinderblocks (ps...make sure the car up on the jack doesn’t fall on him). Btw, my sons a winter 05 birthdate and he’s been rolling your kids for years as a starter. Give it up and go complain about something else. And here’s another tidbit for some parenting advise, try not to take these beatdowns that your boys are experiencing personally and don’t take it out on them. They really need to get use to being second best from here on out...it’s just reality.

Oh really??

Keep up the BS, but facts speak louder than BS...

2024 Long Island Express NLF 2018 National Champions, victorious over 2023/2022 Madlax DC.

Madlax plays down 2 years and still can’t win.

Pathetic slime.

Thanks for the holdback tip, Madlax holdback parent. Much appreciated. I’m not up on the science (or is it an art) of holdbackdom, so I appreciate the information. But what about those exceptions like your new acquisition this year, the 6’1” midi/FO behemoth that played for the 2023 DC Dogs last year? That young “man” is 15 years old. Guess not all holdbacks play by the same rules. What would you call him, since he didn’t follow your rule?? A cheating double holdback??

Still waiting for a Madlax response to this...

Facts are pretty hard to spin, huh? How bout this... the sun was in their eyes, the balls were deflated, the boys were tired, the refs were against us (that’s always a great one!). If you need any more, let me know.

Did you actually watch the game on ESPN? They didn't have the names of at least 3 of the players on Express because they were added specifically for that game at the last minute. Don't think those same boys showed up in Delaware in November where the "same" Express team got rolled by Madlax. Now that I think of it, Taz also got rolled at that tournament. But I heard a lot of their boys have bolted for the Wolfpack. Would be nice if those guys showed up now and again.

Point out for me the last time Taz and Wolfpack beat Madlax. And also highlight for me the number of times Madlax has beaten them since their last win. 6 months? 12 months? You LI daddies live too far in the past. Pretty simple....just get some 2024 grad year players.

2024 Long Island Express - 2018 NLF National Champions vs 2023/2022 Madlax DC - July 2018

I don’t know anything about WP or Taz, but my kid s 24 Express team beat your holdbacks in the last NLF tourney of the summer last year. Is that recent enough for you? What do you have to say about that? But seriously, why doesn’t Madlax ever play on age. Playing all your games down is gutless.

Sure is. What would happen if Madlax ever played on age, would your kids cry? Pee their little holdback pull-ups? Go running home to mommy??

A lot of teams are comprised of various age levels. Until it's regulated, there is nothing we can do about it

I'm not sue why this kid continues to scream about holdbacks? The 2 leagues follow distinctly different rules and eligibility. It's time to move on.

Let's stop discussing holdbacks and discuss about other things pertaining to the 2024 grads.

So right, Express beat Madlax at NLF....congrats. And then Madlax destroyed them in Delaware at the NAL in November....or did you forget the second half of the question. Remind me how many times Express has beaten Madlax again?

Correct. Express wins. Then Madlax wins. Then Express wins. That's what happens when competitive teams play each other. No argument there. In fact, no argument at all. Just the same question. Why isn't a team with 2023 aged kids, with some 2022's thrown in, a whole lot better than they are?? We know you can play down and compete with 2024 aged teams, for now anyway (that will change soon enough). But, with an older team like that, none of these games should be remotely competitive. What's the problem? Here's another question, why is a 2024 team, with 2023 and 2022 aged kids, playing in the 2024 bracket at all? Wouldn't you want to play up, albeit on-age, to challenge yourselves?? I guess it's really not playing up, since you'd be playing kids your own age (ok, you'd have a few kids that would be older), but at least you wouldn't be playing down every game. Are your kids afraid to play kids their own age? Is that the problem?

1. There are no 2022 aged kids on Madlax 2024.

2. About 1/3 of Madlax plays private, the rest are public school kids

3. Madlax kids are from DC, not Baltimore.

4. DC based private schools have 5 year old kindergartners, not 6 year olds

5. By your math, Madlax 24 kids would be 19 years old before the beginning of their sr year of high school. That's not possible or allowed.

Sorry your team loses to Madlax 24. Trust me that the only ones who care are lacrosse dads. You guys look silly.