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Heard Syosset won by one goal

Which goalies in the conference did he outplay last year? Gave up a lot of goals....

he was an 8th grader that won 9 games and lost 8. two losses were in 2OT to Syosset and Hicksville and two to Massapequa. Who, yes may of let up a lot of goals but his save percentage was high based on the number of shots he faced. goals are not always a reflection of the goalie. they also fall upon the defense. all conference as an 8th grader aint bad.

Port didnt look too good today vs Wantagh.

Final Score : Delbarton 9, Garden City 7

Hill Academy 10 - Calvert Hall 7 (on Thurs in MD)

Believe that is the third victory in a week by Hill Academy over a top 20 nationally ranked team. Not a bad way to start the season.

I wouldn't put too much into a scrimmage. Port is a good team and will be competitive this season. Hats off to the wantagh defense.

Heard Syosset looked good in back to back wins on Saturday against Chaminade and Don Bosco

Saturday, March 16th Non-League Results

Oceanside 13, Hewlett 11
Sayville 14, Connetquot 13

His coach picks his all conference players. Doubt other coaches would have voted for him based on the amount of goals he gave up regardless how bad you say his defense was in front of him. You do need to credit the wins of the team to having argueably one the best players in the tri-state area on the team as picked by MSG varsity.

Cage - I thought we were done on this one kid? let it go

Yes - let it go! Who the heck is this guy to question a decision made by a coach almost an entire year ago? Must be a hater or just a plain old moron....

move on and find something else to gab about

Real hater here. Let's move on and one player doesn't make a team.

Heard MacArthurs chronically injured goalie is out.

Hey douch bag, ports goalie had a great game and a great start to the season letting up just 2 goals yesterday against locust valley and about 15 saves. You must be a jealous dad of a goalie who sits most of the season.

Tuesday, March 19th Results

Garden City over Syosset, 8-4
Hicksville edges Oyster Bay, 8-7
Long Beach handles Baldwin, 14-5
Massapequa blanks Carey, 11-0
Plainedge blanks Plainview JFK, 4-0
Jericho over Floral Park, 11-4
Port Washington over Locust Valley, 10-2
Bayport-Blue Point over Longwood, 11-5
Connetquot edges ESM, 6-5
Mt. Sinai over Commack, 10-7
Whitman over Harborfields, 10-6

Highlights

Two shutouts with Plainedge and Massapequa recording the clean sheets. Matt Arnone scored the winner to give Hicksville their 8-7 win. Mike Scalafani had the game winner with less than three minutes remaining for Connetquot.

Since there is an obsession with Port come down to the high school turf field on Saturday at 3:30 to see Port play a team from Illinois.

I dont think Port will have too good of a season. Wantagh handled them easily. They dont have much depth and their attack looks to be a little weak.

Syosset vs Garden City JV game 7-7 tie four overtime periods. Great game both sides

Who are you? You self proclaimed analysts really crack me up - no jobs at ESPN available? Stop bashing teams and judging so early in the season - anything can happen.

such negativity - your glass is probably ALWAYS half empty

Come up and see them this weekend. Port has a great town to hang out in.

Wednesday, March 20th Results

Bayport-Blue Point over Sachem East, 13-9
Center Moriches triples Brentwood, 9-3
Cold Spring Harbor over South Side, 9-5
Farmingdale over Holy Trinity, 11-2
Great Neck North edges St. Mary's, 10-9
Long Island Lutheran over Cardinal Spellman, 9-1
Mattituck/Greenport/Southold triples Hampton Bays, 12-4
Seaford overtimes Mepham, 10-9
West Hempstead doubles Glen Cove, 8-4
St. Anthony's handles Kellenberg, 12-5

Highlights

Four goals for Jordan Walker in Cold Spring Harbor's victory. Evan Dorman netted six for Great Neck North in a non-league matchup.

Thursday, March 21st Results

Baldwin over Roslyn, 15-8
Chaminade over Massapequa, 9-5
Clarke edges Lawrence, 12-11
Great Neck South handles Wheatley/Carle Place, 14-5
Kings Parks easily over Herricks, 11-1
Lindenhurst edges Babylon, 10-9
Locust Valley doubles Floral Park, 10-5
Miller Place over Middle Country, 8-5
Mount Sinai over Longwood, 13-4
North Shore edges East Meadow, 10-9
Oyster Bay overtimes Elmont, 7-6
St. John the Baptist edges Hewlett, 5-4
Friends Academy over Plainview JFK, 8-3

Highlights

Although largely in non-league action, all of the Thursday public vs. private matchups went to the privates with wins by Chaminade, St. John the Baptist, and Friends Academy. Five matches were one goal affairs.

Heading into this week's scrimmages/matches, the Top 25 National High School teams as decided by Nike and US Lacrosse were as follows. Long Island has seven teams in the top 21 from this roster of teams.

1. Boys’ Latin (Md.), 4-0, 200 (8), March 22 vs. Hill Academy (Canada)
2. Chaminade (N.Y.), 0-0, 192, March 21 vs. Massapequa (N.Y.)
3. St. Anthony’s (N.Y.), 0-0, 183, March 20 vs. Kellenberg (N.Y.)
4. Garden City (N.Y.), 1-0, 168, March 23 vs. Loyola Blakefield (Md.)
5. West Islip (N.Y.), 0-0, 162, March 25 at Connetquot (N.Y.)
6. La Salle (Pa.), 0-0, 157, March 23 vs. DeMatha (Md.)
7. Ithaca (N.Y.), 0-0, 141, March 27 at Vestal (N.Y.)
8. Gonzaga (D.C.), 3-2, 131, March 22 vs. Calvert Hall (Md.)
9. Jamesville-DeWitt (N.Y.), 0-0, 131, March 26 at Whitesboro (N.Y.)
10. Calvert Hall (Md.), 0-1, 116, March 22 at Gonzaga (D.C.)
11. Gilman (Md.), 2-0, 116, March 22 vs. Georgetown Prep (Md.)
12. McDonogh (Md.), 4-0, 104, March 22 vs. Haverford School (Pa.)
13. St. Paul’s (Md.), 4-0, 96, March 22 vs. Hereford (Md.)
14. Smithtown West (N.Y.), 0-0, 93, March 22 vs. Syosset (N.Y.)
15. Niskayuna (N.Y.), 0-0, 78. April 2 at Shenendehowa (N.Y.)
16. St. Stephen’s & St. Agnes (Va.), 3-0, 76, March 21 vs. Hill Academy (Canada)
17. Darien (Conn.), 0-0, 68. April 3 vs. Fairfield-Ludlowe (Conn.)
18. Landon (Md.), 3-1, 61, March 22 vs. Penn Charter (Pa.)
19. Malvern Prep (Pa.), 1-0, 60, March 21 at Bullis (Md.)
20. Delbarton (N.J.), 0-0, 57, April 3 at Ridgewood (N.J.)
21. Ward Melville (N.Y.), 0-0, 45, March 25 at Riverhead (N.Y.)
22. Loyola-Blakefield (Md.), 1-1, 42, March 20 at Haverford School (Pa.)
23. Duxbury (Mass.), 0-0, 33, April 2 vs. Mercer Island (Wash.)
24. Culver Military (Ind.), 0-0, 18, March 23 vs. Episcopal Academy (Pa.)
25. Don Bosco Prep (N.J.), 0-0, 17, April 3 vs. Northern Highlands (N.J.)

I wonder how many kids on Chaminade are from Massapequa?

Same question every year. How many Huntington kids are at St. Anthony's? How many GC or Manhasset kids are at Chaminade?

Sad, when Massapequa boys are young 3rd grade on their lax program is great, very competitive teams. When these boys grow up the better ones for the most part go to Chaminade and St. Anthony's. This leaves Massapequas lax team with the less athletic kids in H.S. so they are not competitive. It's sad. you do not see this in West Islip and Ward Melville.

Question, what happens to the say 2015 kid who verbally commits to a college and then does not do well on his/hers SAT exam?

They blew the lead in the county championship last year. That's "not competitive".

Actually, there are more Massapequa players at St. Anthony than Chaminade.

nothing. once coach gives a verbal commitment, the minimum academic requirements are established. the student athlete is not required to take the SATs necessarily.

however, if they fall way short of academic standards, the early committed player may be required to attend a year of prep school...

The kid still has to go threw the admissions process - the application will be supported by the coach and that is how kids get into schools that they might normally not get into but a condition that the coach will make very clear to the player is that they still have to be accepted by admissions.

I have always thought that this is the one out that a coach might have on a commit he may lose interest in, the coach can not support the admissions application as strongly as was expected and ooooops sorry you didn't get in.

Happened very recently with a boy from Garden City and Duke.

Who knows maybe St. John's will start recruiting and become the king of the south shore.

I think only in very rare circumstances for an elite recruit would the SAT/ACT be waived. The norm is commit, take the tests, go thorugh admissions (with coaching staff support) and be accepted. Some may get into a "reach" school but I highly doubt an Ivy is accepting a "C" student with poor or no SAT scores unless he fits some other demographic. Plenty of smart quality lax players out there, no need to dumb it down.

If the verbal commit is just that "verbal" it is not really binding correct? Either party can decide, in the case of the early commits for example, that needs changed and the program doesn't fit the athlete or the athlete doesn't fit the program.

Comments or experiences?

And now also some leaving for boarding schools before finishing high school on long island.

Ultimately, NCAA eligibility must be met first and foremost. This is the role of the NCAA Clearinghouse.

Second, the student-athlete must meet the admission standards of the university or have a waiver instituted. Such waivers can come via a coach's exemption (also known as a golden ticket) or via other tools at the admissions department's discretion.

Remember that accepting "below par" students is not the end of the NCAA compliance debate as both academic progress rates and overall academic GPA are examined by the NCAA during compliance audits.

Coaches that consistently bring in a below average player runs two major risks. The first is that academic progress, particularly for non-revenue generating sports, can come under question. Second and more importantly, the student-athlete runs the risk of being academically overwhelmed by the classroom requirements. In the case of an institution such as Duke, you would expect stringent regulations to be upheld on Board Scores for admission.

Verbal commitments are non-binding from the NCAA and University's perspectives. That said, please let us put the following caveats on the table.

• Coach's Perspective : Only under the most pressing circumstances will a coach rescind a verbal offer - there is usually cause associated with a withdrawn offer. The causes can be academic, personal, ethics, or compliance based. A college coach will NOT want to rescind an offer (opening a recruiting gap) and more importantly does not want to gain a reputation for rescinding offers as that impacts future recruiting.
• Student Perspective : Student-athletes can more easily change their minds related to a verbal offer since the process is only usually run once is an academic lifetime.
• NCAA Perspective : Binding offers are associated with National Letters of Intent, effectively the contract constructed between a student-athlete and the target institution. Once the NLI is completed, there are binding NCAA rules and regulations regarding a student-athlete even talking to another institution regarding potential transfers. (Regulations covering a student-athlete release are available on the NCAA web site.)

This post is highly misleading to our BOTC Community and largely incorrect.

A coach's verbal agreement can and will take place without prior academic application reviews. Further, with freshmen and sophomores now verbally commiting, such verbals are clearly being made without a full set of Board Scores or a complete evaluation of High School Scholastic performance by the NCAA Clearinghouse.

The assertion that a year of prep school (also known as thirteenth grade at institutions such as Deerfield and similar) cures all academic ills is incorrect.