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To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.

Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.

At least 2 on Looneys now. [redacted].

Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Didn’t know you needed an excuse when you were a playoff team and lost to the best team in the league in the semifinals. Hawks and Club Blue were the best teams last year. If you need an excuse to be behind them, I am not sure what it is

I am not understanding your comment but it doesn’t even matter anyway. At this point it is very hard to tell who is a good team when there are players added to rosters for one tournament or one game that don’t even live in this state. Or if 1/2 a team is older than another team. Playing in tournaments picked by Club Directors, run by Club Directors who make the schedule in their favor. How can you even tell anymore who is a good team? No excuses, not a Looney’s parent but I could care a less any more about wins and losses. As long as my son is having fun, learning and wants to continue playing a sport he loves then I will gladly have him play for a team that doesn’t do anything it takes for a “W”.

"Learning"? That is what is getting lost in Club lacrosse. It's becoming more about the "W". Player development has taken a backseat.

Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Didn’t know you needed an excuse when you were a playoff team and lost to the best team in the league in the semifinals. Hawks and Club Blue were the best teams last year. If you need an excuse to be behind them, I am not sure what it is

Don’t do that. Don’t call out players.

It’s calling out players to state a fact that teammate and opponents know? This is 8th grade. These kids have been lacrosse for 10 years now. The whole system is broken. It’s like the steroid era in baseball. Because of some that gain an advantage, all are accused.

Funny thing about the hold back - reclass issue is that the parents who get the most bent out of shape about this are NOT the parents of the kids who play these teams. It is mostly the parents of the kids who are on these teams. Parents really have little way of knowing which kid is older unless they are on the same team. However, if your kid is not able to get on the field because he has to compete for playing time with an older kids that is what causes stress for the parents. In addition, the holdback teams also tend to bring in guests who are older and do not know the team or the offensive scheme. The guest players are bigger and stronger and run through defenses to score while ignoring the loyal on age kid's parents who are screaming on the sideline, "he is wide open."

Doesn’t mean you come on a public forum and call out two players by position. donk move no matter how you spin it.

One thing I find funny is in the showcase high school age tournaments the waivers ask for age of player. But the college coaches print outs and folders never put the kids age. Only Name, Email, School and college if they have one. So what does this tell us. They do not care at all who is older or younger they only care how this kid in front of them plays with these kids starting college the same year.

I watched McDonough's free clinic today. Bunch of kids from Crabs, Looneys and 91, along with a few from other teams. There were about 4-5 Crabs attack and middies who were huge. Not saying they are all holdbacks (my kid is pretty big and the "right" age) and some of them need to work on their stick skills, but putting that kind of size and speed on the same team is going to cause a lot of problems for the opposition.

And, it was funny to hear a 91 parent confident about their chances in the Elite division because of their star holdback.

Any hawks or dc dogs out there?

Any hawks or dc dogs out there?

91 is a joke. Those kids could not make the elite teams. Have never won a hoco Elite game. Don’t belong in that division. Yet you include them in your surveillance report. And I comment. Most of the kids you refer to are not on age. But those are the rules. So dumb.

Jealous you didnt make team ! Or get coached by top talent

Hold-backs are part of the game . Hockey took care of the problem by making you play your birth year which levels the playing field. However Club lacrosse is big business so don't look for them to change system. Ultimately, if you are good they will find you, even if its in 10th, 11th, or 12th grade . Most importantly keep your kids loving the game.

SYSTEM IS NOT BROKEN, If you play elite expect half the kids are hold backs. In 8th grade expect 60-70 of kids are hold backs. play AA or A and enjoy watching your kid.

Don't you guys ever get tired of this conversation? Got anything else?

Hold-backs are part of the game . Hockey took care of the problem by making you play your birth year which levels the playing field. However Club lacrosse is big business so don't look for them to change system. Ultimately, if you are good they will find you, even if its in 10th, 11th, or 12th grade . Most importantly keep your kids loving the game.

Hold-backs are part of the game . Hockey took care of the problem by making you play your birth year which levels the playing field. However Club lacrosse is big business so don't look for them to change system. Ultimately, if you are good they will find you, even if its in 10th, 11th, or 12th grade . Most importantly keep your kids loving the game.

What would the 2023 rankings look like if the age cut-off was 9-30-2004? What if it was 1-1-2005? 98% of kids in 8th grade fall into this range. Tell me again why the system is NOT broken?

Do you know who coaches the team? It ain’t #9.

What happened to having the desire to play up a year or even two?

Pretty much what the on age kids on "elite" teams are doing now.

Thanks

Are you serious with this? Jealous of what? Playing for a team that cannot win elite division games? That would be embarrassing to claim to be elite but get blasted every game. And coached by top talent? Do you know who coaches the team? It ain’t #9, .

Pretty much what the on age kids on "elite" teams are doing now.

You obviously dont know. He will be coach of his relatives with 100% accuracy in Spring.

Stop all the crying with holdbacks. One of the top 2022 elite teams have zero. Times are changing with the recruiting new rules.

You obviously dont know . He will be coach of his relatives with 100% accuracy in Spring.

This is the 2023 forum.