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Empire has gone undefeated this summer against some of the best D and C teams around....that said have they lost a game this summer??
What solid B teams have they beat?? I think a game vs Igloo or TG, 2 of the best A teams in 23 would have been an eye opener, but I still think that game 1 vs Jesters will be their toughest matchup of the summer??
Realistically how many can Empire win this weekend?? Jesters. Leg, Elevate and CT Griz... can they go 3-1 or 4-0 or is 2-2 a big victory???
I have never seen them play nor do I know anyone on the team. Safe to say they wont be undefeated after this weekend

[quote=Anonymous]The starting girls aren't leaving YJ for TG or Igloo as they played endlessly...to a fault perhaps...but still endlessly. No reason for them to go anywhere. It is those that are very good that should have played more that have reason to think about it. There are some that are best suited for a B team in any organization that will likely ask to go to YJ Wright to get a better experience. Only 2 have left YJA over last couple years...one to TG and one to Leg. One other went to TG and another to Leg after making YJA. As has been said by many, if you are not happy, there are other teams to go to. With 1 goal sperating these teams in "most" games, ...the other options are not that much better. They say that grass is greener on the other side. I've looked at the other side of grass and it is basically the same color. Once again...these verbal battles will be decided on the field. Igloo wins the Nationals and looked good. TG beat Igloo 4 out of 5. YJ wins Lax for Cure that included MD teams (regardless of bracket). None had a horrible season and none went undefeated. All will make for good games. Being on any of these 3 teams and add YJB to make the 4 top teams on the Island. The rest are...well...the rest.

Very generous ranking of the YJB as the 4th top team. I'm sure Leg, Jesters, Elevate and Liberty would all disagree.

[quote=Anonymous]I have an actual question (please refrain from sarcasm). My daughter played Elevate this year and as stated above, we went to several tournaments and the competition was weak at best. the other poster is correct, we drove to MD to play some very bad competition. We did win and get a t-shirt for the win but my daughter got NOTHING out of this season. My 2022 is above average player. I also have a 2023 who is much better than average but did nit play travel this summer and will likely start next summer. The goal of joining travel this year was for her to play with much better kids, push herself and improve and play strong competition and get good coaching. With Elevate we unfortunately did not get any of those things. It was nice, with the tent, and the gear and the dinners but for the amount of money we spent and the time and money we spent on travel it was not what we were looking for. This weekend was a microcosm of the entire season. We won all of our games in blowouts and the highlight was setting up one girl for a BTB goal and everyone on the field knew it was coming. The club owner and his daughter acted as if it was the highlight of the summer. The 2023 Elevate team lost to the Jesters who didnt look that good for a travel lax team.The club owner and the daughter are just not what we are looking for when it comes to travel lax. So my question is, where do we go for tryouts in August and September. We are truly looking for them to be challenged, be coached and to get better. On Elevate my 2022 was one of the best kids and honestly, she is only slightly above average in the lacrosse world. We live on the boarder on Nassau and Suffolk and would think we have some real options. Again, I have a 2022 and a 2023. I will post in the 2023 forum as well for input. Thanks in advance for your reply.

Based on location and competitive teams TG would probably be a good fit.

So Top Guns gave Empire and Jesters an easier path then their own team because the directors said "Please". Got it.

Please the age difference. 12 months, 9 months, 3 months? Every player in Maryland on a 23 team are 14 years of age? Every player in NY are 12 and new birthday 13? And if your YJ girls were just 2 or 3 months older then they could compete and win?

YJ had your big bad M&D team on the ropes age aside.

LOL. I guess you don't know what you are talking about or you would've answered the question. Nice of you to discount all the hard play and work that your girls put in. If only they were 2-3 months older they could dominate. Instead, you pretend they are just pewny and weak. Just think of the campfire stories you will be able to tell while at nationals. How they ventured off the island into the land of giants and almost won. So brave.

A lot of talk about Empire Nassau, aren’t they only a 2nd year team? Who coaches them because they get a lot of chatter for being relatively new on the club scene. Would be nice if YJ thorn called up SS and got in tourney this weekend, but CR would never do it. Appears the igloo/TG black game in pool play will be the championship based on these message boards, but would be interesting if someone could knock one of them,, would be good for LI lax!

I see Bethesda listed in the 2023 AA Division at the NLF tournament this weekend at Lehigh U, but I have heard from numerous parents that they are not going because their season is over.

Is the NLF aware of this, because it will not be good /fair for our team to come play only 1 game because the NLF was not on top of this.

I see Bethesda listed in the 2023 AA Division at the NLF tournament this weekend at Lehigh U, but I have heard from numerous parents that they are not going because their season is over.

Is the NLF aware of this, because it will not be good /fair for our team to come play only 1 game because the NLF was not on top of this.

TG not going to Nationals is the word on the street

TG not going to Nationals is the word on the street

TG not going to Nationals is the word on the street

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The starting girls aren't leaving YJ for TG or Igloo as they played endlessly...to a fault perhaps...but still endlessly. No reason for them to go anywhere. It is those that are very good that should have played more that have reason to think about it. There are some that are best suited for a B team in any organization that will likely ask to go to YJ Wright to get a better experience. Only 2 have left YJA over last couple years...one to TG and one to Leg. One other went to TG and another to Leg after making YJA. As has been said by many, if you are not happy, there are other teams to go to. With 1 goal sperating these teams in "most" games, ...the other options are not that much better. They say that grass is greener on the other side. I've looked at the other side of grass and it is basically the same color. Once again...these verbal battles will be decided on the field. Igloo wins the Nationals and looked good. TG beat Igloo 4 out of 5. YJ wins Lax for Cure that included MD teams (regardless of bracket). None had a horrible season and none went undefeated. All will make for good games. Being on any of these 3 teams and add YJB to make the 4 top teams on the Island. The rest are...well...the rest.

Very generous ranking of the YJB as the 4th top team. I'm sure Leg, Jesters, Elevate and Liberty would all disagree.

YJ B is a better program and development of any of those above teams. They would have no prob beating Jes, Elev and Lib. Leg would be a good match.

You obviously haven't watched YJB play. They struggled against lousy teams this summer. Jesters would beat them by at least 5 goals. The days of YJ fielding a competitive B team are over.

YJ B is a mediocre team which will never be competitive with the big clubs. YJ B does NOT develop the girls, it’s more like a very expensive PAL team. All of the best girls left that program knowing that the team is not going anywhere. Even their top team has many issues. If you want to be frustrated Year after year, then that team will give you that. Not saying any of the other teams B teams would be any better. Getting onto Legacy, Igloo, Jesters Liberty or Empire would be a much better move. A lot of people go with the YJ name thinking they’re getting into a great organization, however the smoke and mirrors wear off pretty quick, and you realize it’s not what you thought it would be.

YJ A ‘s are by far best teams (scratch 2023) . Some of the B teamers can go play on other clubs A teams, not all. But many hang in hoping for a shot at getting pulled up, which happens for 1-2 kids per year. But careful what you wish for, it is a lot easier getting playing time and being a stud on the B team, and many kids are much better off shining there rather than struggling on A.

Yes, but we are talking about 2023 here. TG and Igloo have both surpassed YJA. From what is said about YJA coaching on there, I'm not sure why anyone would want to be brought up from B to A to play on a team that is 3rd best on LI doesn't make sense. If you can get onto another A team (besides TG&Igloo, which even the current YJA girls would have a tough time doing unless they are one of the top 5 players) seems like it would be a better idea for this age group.

Yes, but we are talking about 2023 here. TG and Igloo have both surpassed YJA. From what is said about YJA coaching on there, I'm not sure why anyone would want to be brought up from B to A to play on a team that is 3rd best on LI doesn't make sense. If you can get onto another A team (besides TG&Igloo, which even the current YJA girls would have a tough time doing unless they are one of the top 5 players) seems like it would be a better idea for this age group.

I am not here to argue that Igloo and TG Black aren't 1A and 1B in the 2023 group, but Thorn is right there with them. Thorn feels the heat because at every other year YJ Blue is the #1 team on the island, but here in 23 they take a back seat right now to Igloo and TG. That said YJ 23 has a great team and had a very good summer beat Monster Black 4 times, Elite Orange, Skywalkers, and many others and only falling to M&D Black by 2 and Igloo by 4 (couple other losses but to teams we beat 9 out of 10 times).
So as far as the 23 group locally on the island goes; there is the elite 3 Igloo, TG and Thorn, and then a HUGE drop off. Jesters might be 4, and they played Igloo this summer and it was 12-4 but could have been 18-4 if they wanted to....we were at that tourney and Jesters didnt belong on same field as Igloo. We will get another shot at Igloo at the Nationals and dont be surprised if YJ supremacy creeps over to the 23's as well.

I am not here to argue that Igloo and TG Black aren't 1A and 1B in the 2023 group, but Thorn is right there with them. Thorn feels the heat because at every other year YJ Blue is the #1 team on the island, but here in 23 they take a back seat right now to Igloo and TG. That said YJ 23 has a great team and had a very good summer beat Monster Black 4 times, Elite Orange, Skywalkers, and many others and only falling to M&D Black by 2 and Igloo by 4 (couple other losses but to teams we beat 9 out of 10 times).
So as far as the 23 group locally on the island goes; there is the elite 3 Igloo, TG and Thorn, and then a HUGE drop off. Jesters might be 4, and they played Igloo this summer and it was 12-4 but could have been 18-4 if they wanted to....we were at that tourney and Jesters didnt belong on same field as Igloo. We will get another shot at Igloo at the Nationals and dont be surprised if YJ supremacy creeps over to the 23's as well.

After Hofstra we should know where the 2nd tier ranks among their peers..
This weekend could help teams going into TRYOUTS.....Empire or Elevate grabs a few quality wins and just may get a few extra good players at their tryout.
Pre-Hofstra its Jesters, Empire, Legacy, Elevate in that 2nd tier...see how it shakes up after. Also in that 2nd tier is the likes of liberty, yj wright.
The games tomorrow will have a big indication for what kids switch to what programs. The Igloo's, TG and Thorn should stay relatively the same; maybe get a couple players that are good enough to jump to one of those 3. The bottom 6-8 usually are one and done at TG due to lack of PT

Yes, but we are talking about 2023 here. TG and Igloo have both surpassed YJA. From what is said about YJA coaching on there, I'm not sure why anyone would want to be brought up from B to A to play on a team that is 3rd best on LI doesn't make sense. If you can get onto another A team (besides TG&Igloo, which even the current YJA girls would have a tough time doing unless they are one of the top 5 players) seems like it would be a better idea for this age group.

Yes, but we are talking about 2023 here. TG and Igloo have both surpassed YJA. From what is said about YJA coaching on there, I'm not sure why anyone would want to be brought up from B to A to play on a team that is 3rd best on LI doesn't make sense. If you can get onto another A team (besides TG&Igloo, which even the current YJA girls would have a tough time doing unless they are one of the top 5 players) seems like it would be a better idea for this age group.

I am not here to argue that Igloo and TG Black aren't 1A and 1B in the 2023 group, but Thorn is right there with them. Thorn feels the heat because at every other year YJ Blue is the #1 team on the island, but here in 23 they take a back seat right now to Igloo and TG. That said YJ 23 has a great team and had a very good summer beat Monster Black 4 times, Elite Orange, Skywalkers, and many others and only falling to M&D Black by 2 and Igloo by 4 (couple other losses but to teams we beat 9 out of 10 times).
So as far as the 23 group locally on the island goes; there is the elite 3 Igloo, TG and Thorn, and then a HUGE drop off. Jesters might be 4, and they played Igloo this summer and it was 12-4 but could have been 18-4 if they wanted to....we were at that tourney and Jesters didnt belong on same field as Igloo. We will get another shot at Igloo at the Nationals and dont be surprised if YJ supremacy creeps over to the 23's as well.

One win over Igloo and YJ will claim supremacy lol. YJ may add one more coach making it 5 coaches there they will be supreme. They'll out coach anyone. I'm sure some of those girls sitting on the YJ bench not playing in the competitive games will be looking elsewhere unless they continue to drink the CR kool aid.

This site is boring. Why all the jealousy and name calling? Not everyone can be the best team. Who cares? Good luck to TG in their home tourny. Excellent club with top director and spotless reputation. YJ- another excellent club with long time director and countless players going on to top schools. Igloo- don’t know too much other tan they are very $$$$ and the 2023 team is blowing everyone away. Empire- havent been tested against the next level. Maybe this weekend but the parents very happy. Jesters- longs time director of many boys programs and a top recruiting director with MHS varsity coach taking a role. They haven’t beaten the top teams but they have played them and are in the mix. Legacy- same as empire. Haven’tbeen there yet. We’ll see tomorrow. What happened to liberty? Have they been anywhere this year? All the same excellent reputation and Family’s love their club. Now let’s all band together for these Long Island girls and see what they can do against our neighbors from Maryland pa New Jersey and Connecticut at Nationals.

Legacy looked very good at the LI Classic. They tied Igloo. Igloo looked good at times, but completely fell apart in the championship game, where they were blown out by TG. I think we have a new LI pecking order:
TG
YJA
Igloo
Legacy
YJB
Jesters
Empire
Elevate

Lets NOT get crazy....... Igloo played their worst game of the summer after not playing for a month and tied Legacy out of the gates.
After that they crushed Elevate and handled CT Grizzlies by 5, and then in a full game they beat TG Black by 4.
The finals they were dominated at the drawer circle and by the time they actually got the ball the game it was 5-0 and the game was over. The middies on TG were just too good and too fast that game, but at the end of the day TG won the short game and Igloo won the full game. TG was the champ so they get the slight edge of Igloo, but dont try to throw Igloo to 3rd when that was the 1st game they lost all summer.
TG Black is 1A
Igloo is 1B
Thorn
Legacy
Empire beat Jesters so give them their due
Jesters
Elevate
Liberty Black
YJ B...... they have lost to B teams all summer if you look at their schedule. Not your Normal B team for CR////// this is a C type team