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DK from Elevate? Nice try Dave, I don't think you can market your way and BS your way into the SET job. They are looking for a lacrosse coach, not a businessman! Keep coaching the powerhouse that is HT and using the free fields at HT to make money off your fan base!

This is great. Keep writing, as you are giving everyone a good laugh at your expense. Have a great day.

Businessman??.....surely you jest?

I don't know where your daughter goes to HS, but this is ridiculous. Check out top IAAM private schools in Baltimore. Do you honestly think that all the best players play midfield? Only 3 midfielders play at a time, and at most HS's there isn't a lot of subbing. It's not like boys lacrosse where you are running multiple lines of middies out there. I know for my daughter's team every starting defender could play midfield. All of them have or even still do for their club team. You have to have athletic defenders with good stick skills to be able to clear the ball. And my daughter isn't a midfielder. A defender on her team is the most sought after player by colleges so far and she plays defense on her club also. She made Under Armour and has made multiple camp all star teams. If you think colleges aren't looking at defenders that's stupid. Will they move middies to defense as well of course. Doesn't mean top defenders aren't in high demand.

This was said in jest - doesn't seem like they were serious at all. There is no way the AD would go for another club coach and deal with the associated headaches. More importantly, is the hearsay about her dismissal true? No news = truth. too bad.

From my understanding of the situation, you're wrong. The AD made the decision not to renew her contract and, thus, not present DG as a personnel choice for the next school year essentially "firing" her. This is a huge loss for Manhasset. To the folks from the class of 17 who started this because they wanted her out, the grass isn't always greener and is NOT for certain in this case. Manhasset's loss will be another community's gain.

I am willing to bet that this guy's daughter plays for a weak HS team as well as a weak club team. If she does play for one of the top club teams she is not one of their top midfielders.

Congratulations to your daughter on making Under Armour. I doubt this jokers kid is a UA All-American. More than likely she is an average player who scores a bunch of goals in her HS games and that has caused this guy to think that she is a special player. I am also willing to bet that his daughter did not receive a single offer from any of the top college programs. I am also pretty sure he is the type of guy who thinks having offers from UConn, UNH, Marist and HC is the same as having offers from UNC, Northwestern, Maryland and BC.

Not worth arguing with him. He thinks his daughter is the best and nothing will change his mind.

BTW, the best player / athlete on my daughters club team plays midfield but she is also the teams best defender and plays that position from time to time. The same player was recruited by just about all of the top programs and is committed to one of the best. She is not flashy and is not one of those go to goal types and some of the parents who do not understand the game think other players are better. It's funny, after last summer none of the college coaches thought any of the other players were better and it drove many of the parents crazy.

In general the majority of stronger athletes do play midfield for their HS teams but that does not mean that there are not many exceptions.

Please educate us as to your "understanding of the situation" and how you are aware of how it works? Seems like you are accepting the standard line from people in that town. Once again, that is just not how the process works. Sorry to burst your bubble.

"I am willing to bet that this guy's daughter plays for a weak HS team as well as a weak club team. If she does play for one of the top club teams she is not one of their top midfielders.

Congratulations to your daughter on making Under Armour. I doubt this jokers kid is a UA All-American. More than likely she is an average player who scores a bunch of goals in her HS games and that has caused this guy to think that she is a special player. I am also willing to bet that his daughter did not receive a single offer from any of the top college programs. I am also pretty sure he is the type of guy who thinks having offers from UConn, UNH, Marist and HC is the same as having offers from UNC, Northwestern, Maryland and BC.

Not worth arguing with him. He thinks his daughter is the best and nothing will change his mind.

BTW, the best player / athlete on my daughters club team plays midfield but she is also the teams best defender and plays that position from time to time. The same player was recruited by just about all of the top programs and is committed to one of the best. She is not flashy and is not one of those go to goal types and some of the parents who do not understand the game think other players are better. It's funny, after last summer none of the college coaches thought any of the other players were better and it drove many of the parents crazy.

In general the majority of stronger athletes do play midfield for their HS teams but that does not mean that there are not many exceptions."



You people are pathetic. You spend much of your post speculating on my daughter which I find comical . You then go on to prove my point with your idiotic story about the best player on your daughters travel team ,a middie. Then your final sentence is exactly what I have been saying and you and your dopey friends have been arguing against , best athletes play middie. Whats even funnier is your smug attitude toward schools like Marist when your kid is not good enough to play midfield on her high school team. You make it way too easy.

While I agree about her talents and lax acumen, to assume that she could go to any school district and automatically win is way off base. In Publics, you are beholden to the student athletes you have in town--so in Manhasset or GC or CSH or a few other perenials, where there is a tremendous wealth of lax players, it makes her HS coaching job a bunch easier. put her in a district where they don't have the Set' farm system and results wouldn't be the same. She has had the best of every coach's dream--talent and supply.
But put her in a private/CHSAA school? With support from an AD? Where she could recruit kids to play there--she would have a build a dynasty. There are any # of Catholic schools that would take her--biz crap and baggage and all.

I didn't read it as a knock on Marist. I think they were implying that not all DI programs are equal just as not all midfielders are equal.

If you are talking about the top middies (on the top club teams) we get it they are usually very good athletes / players. But just being a midfielder in HS does not mean you are one of the top players / athletes .

In the end , who cares and why do you have such a strong need to try and put players down?

Unles your daughter is one of the overall top players in her class she is just another average player. Is she Commited to a top 10 team ? How about top 20? Is she on YJ Top Team? How about TG top team? Liberty? Did she make SG Long Island Team 1? How about UA Underclass Team? Is she older, did she make UA AA Senior team? Was she ranked by Inside Lacrosse? How about an invite to U19 Tryouts? Already in college ? Top 10-20 program? Was she All-Conference ? All-American?

If yes to some of the above then congratulations.

If not she is just another average player like most of our children.

I think people's issue with what you are saying is the fact that you are making a blanket statement disparaging all defenders as not as athletic or that they don't have the stick skills to play midfield and other slights....

My daughter plays defense because she enjoys it. She was selected for SG Team 1, for UA Underclass, etc. She can go to camps and play midfield which she does as well.

Your tone and blanket statements make you sound like a [ChillLaxin] which is why you are getting such blow back.

It's not what you are saying is necessarily incorrect. College coaches do move middies to defense in college. But the great HS and Club defenders are just as highly recruited as the best at any other positions. This is because if coaches can find girls with the same athleticism and stick skills that are already well versed in defensive positioning, communication, clearing, sliding, etc that is quite a valuable piece on your team.

Stop insulting young girls and maybe people won't react in such ways to what you are saying.

Looking for some real advice, my daughter is a 2021 and according to her club coach, she has been gettIng some interest this summer, I know there is new legislation that the coaches can’t contact her until September of her junior year but is there anything We can do to ffacilitate the process for her? Or am I basically just relying on her club coach to communicate? I’m confused by the new process and am curious how are some girls committed already if the coaches can’t talk to them? Any real advice would be greatly appreciated, this is not intended to create an argument or anything like most posts, just need some real advice, thanks in advance.

DG head east to Huntington HS

Unless they are breaking the rules(which some are) they can reach out to your coach and express "general interest" in your daughter. This usually includes them asking for some feedback on the player from the HS/Club coach and usually also included the college coach asking the HS/Club coach to send the player info for upcoming camps/clinics.

All your daughter can do is email the coaches. Express interest, send their tournament schedules, grades, other info/updates. Go to their camps if really interested in the school. They can at least talk to the coaches there just not about whether they are on their list or anything like that.

Take your time. There's no rush.

My bubble’s intact, thanks. And, yes that’s how the process works. The board of ed doesn’t select coaches or even candidates for that matter. They approve their contract - if they choose too which is 99% of the time. The athletic director recommends or ‘hires’ the coaches for the boards’s approval. Don’t lose any sleep over this ;-)

All you people that are so giddy that she lost the 'set job are like the libtards, be careful what you wish for. I was lucky enough to have DG coach my daughter(no I'm not from 'set) and the way I see it is they just unleashed a dragon. This will most likely go one of 4 ways

1 she takes a college coaching job (and most HS players and coaches better be hoping for that)

2 She takes a job at a Catholic. Probably not SA, but all others are on the block with my money on SHA, Friends or good old St Mary's right down the block, wouldn't that be fun

3 She moves to a school in western Suffolk (in class A Huntington, West Islip, Commack, or in class B Happauge) or takes the Wantagh job (bat for 'set and GC)

4 she just focuses on liberty

Though many College AD's would love to get DG as a coach I doubt thats going to happen. As for the catholics, that becomes a very doable situation, especially St Marys being right in 'set, you would have to wonder how many transfers there would be and how large a crap coach ferraro will take knowing her reign just ended. For my money I would love to see her in Suffolk A for all the obvious reasons. The lest likely is she will just focus on Liberty. How stupid is the 'set district for letting her go, its not like she didn't just win the state, either way there loss is someones gain, and a lot of peoples pain

“Agree that middies are expected to play D. Disagree that they can do it well. Some can, most are mediocre at best. They don't understand the slide, they don't understand how to read the offensive player, they foul when they've lost their player and they do lose their players a lot, they aren't that big on communication which is key when defending. Etc., etc., etc.”

The post that started it all . Your biggest problem is your lack of knowledge or the fact that your kid was a high school defender and it bothers you that she did not play middle . So I am insulting young girls but the original post was not .Great defenders in high school are not recruited as highly as the best attackers and middies in high school no matter how often you say it , it’s just not the case . No one has said there are not exceptions to the rule but for the most part in high school the best players on most teams are the middies .What is your explanation that it is commonplace to have high school midfielders converted to play defense in college but the reverse rarely happens .You have none because you are clueless. You say your kid was selected for UA then please explain why essentially every defender on the 10-11th grade UA LI team is actually a midfielder except one who is the exception, how is that possible , why is that the fact . Until you can come up with a reasonable explanation why the UA defenders are actually middies other than the fact that in high school on LI your best athletes and players are middies you show you are clueless, even Becky knows she does not have the stick skills to play middie .

DG not going to coach at SHA. They pay like crap, every coach they hire is somehow affiliated with school( graduate or parent) and they have reigning coach of year which is ridiculous that she won. DG should of won

High School Coaches don't make that much (less than 10k??)... perhaps Manhasset felt she was leveraging her position as coach to enrich her private business. I watch from afar in GC. When they played us, her team was well oiled machine. very shocking that she was let go...

My guess is she focuses on Liberty as she would probably make up for any income lost. It's also time consuming to run a high level HS program.. return on investment maybe not too favorable.

I guess this explains why the Senior All American team defenders are almost all from MD and only one from LI. The HS defenders in the top Maryland conferences are all very highly recruited.

she likely won't be heading to any public school if the speculation is correct. I doubt any district would hire her. best route is to get a private school job and keep her Liberty program alive.

Plenty of middies will be playing defense in college not because they want to, but because they have to. why? because they aren't natural middies, many of them have offensive stats, but most of them are against bad teams (and there are plenty of bad teams in HS), when it's crunch time the are no where to be seen, they get shut down by good teams, when their team needs a goal the ball isn't going to them. it speaks to the lack of depth in almost every HS program, if a kid can run they're a middie - Plenty of kids recruited as a defenders are playing middie on school team because there are no other options

You're like CNN and MSNBC, no real facts just throwing out innuendo and speculation to defame a good, well loved and respected person because you don't like something about them . I bet you were with her, So enlighten us all Rachel Maddow, what's the "speculation" or are you just lying because you're a Yellow Jacket drone

Dude , stop living in the past . Liberty has not been on YJ radar for a long time and honestly do not think that isYJ posting that stuff as they just don’t care .

Dude ..... Who's living in the past? I'm talking about things said today, and yes I do think this is a Yellow Jacket drone posting this stuff, don't you all love to post lies and gossip about each other, let alone every other club. But Dude.... the real joke is that the YJ aren't even that good anymore, you guys can't even win at LFAC anymore, the only tournament you can win is that farce you put on in August at Mitchell Field, and thats only because your playing each other. In all my years being involved in Girls lacrosse I have never heard of a person affiliated with another club say anything about DG or Liberty but Yellow Jacket parents. But I'll ask again , what is this speculation that you talk about? or are you just being your typical YJ parent with nothing but lies and rumor.

Ok Mom, thanks for the liberty update. Keep drinking whatever they are giving you over there. Ask around about DG incl former players and college coaches. They aren’t all glowing recommendations and much loved or well respected as you would have us believe. Do you really think the AD would dismiss a coach after the season the team had unless he had something? Think about it as it appears you haven’t. You don’t seem well informed for someone that claims to be being involved in lacrosse for many years as you stated.

Considering the rumor was pretty rampant during the last year that she was out, it must have been something that was no longer acceptable for powers that be in Manhasset to not tolerate anymore.
And correct---like all successful people in her position (coach, travel director, person), you never have to look far to find numerous detractors. She has burned many a bridge in her past dealings with folks.

Wonder what it could have been? Had to have been pretty serious

"Dude ..... Who's living in the past? I'm talking about things said today, and yes I do think this is a Yellow Jacket drone posting this stuff, don't you all love to post lies and gossip about each other, let alone every other club. But Dude.... the real joke is that the YJ aren't even that good anymore, you guys can't even win at LFAC anymore, the only tournament you can win is that farce you put on in August at Mitchell Field, and thats only because your playing each other. In all my years being involved in Girls lacrosse I have never heard of a person affiliated with another club say anything about DG or Liberty but Yellow Jacket parents. But I'll ask again , what is this speculation that you talk about? or are you just being your typical YJ parent with nothing but lies and rumor."

You are truly pathetic, why would YJ parents care if DG lost her school coaching job? Lies and gossip sounds like you and your lady friends have been watching too many housewives shows. You seem to think you are a tough guy who has personally heard YJ parents bash DG then stop being such a weasel and have a conversation with them. For you to go after how good the top YJ teams are is laughable , again YJ parents don't care about Liberty as they have been irrelevant for the last 5 years at every age group. See you later gossip girl.

As irrelevant as Yellow Jackets have become this year?

Could be a harbinger of things to come, the school coach/club coach conflict is hitting critical mass and some schools are deciding that its time to choose one or the other. Sett can compete with anyone coaching, so it's a pretty safe bet for them to do this and set an example, I'm sure other HS AD's will take notice as many hear complaints about pay to play coaches all the time

Hey Sherlock, Mitchell tourney has been done for 3 years. Most of the DG bashing comes from liberty parents. If you don’t live in Set , she treats you like a mirage. The same thing happens at YJ, if you don’t live in the big 3 zip codes(NP, Mt. Sinai or ESM) you are irreverent.

That’s kind of petty but I could see that since she is HS coach of Manhasset and would want to get her girls playing time at Liberty. Then where do the GC, CSH, Syosset, girls play club? Serious question as there seems to be so much politics involved with selecting a club. I see some of them scattered throughout. Is Igloo the best option?

I'm from GC and my daughter plays Liberty - no issues at all. Playing time - great - Recruiting - great.

That said, don't concern yourself with the generalizations out there - they effect only a few. It's about you and your daughter's experience. If she's a talented athlete and puts the time and effort in, she'll be noticed regardless of what town she's from and what club she plays for.

bashing is rampant on this site but i think DG gets what she deserves. While club affiliation and HS team are certainly a possible reason for her firing, I doubt that was the sole reason nor the determining factor. The district has put up with it for years and now they turn? seems to be deeper than that. It really doesn't matter which club you play for - if your daughter can play, she will be seen. However, it does appear YJ has the most contacts among college coaches.

Liberty has fair share of all different areas represented. Manhasset is a big chunk but there are various areas involved too. In our experience, we didn't see overt favoritism towards Set' girls...although they often were the most "chummy" with staff/coaches/DG.
Like any director/program, really the vast amount of girls are just paying the bills for program and they become the gravy for director. DG is not different.

Appreciate the feedback.. so would you go with Liberty knowing what you know? I’m in Nassau and hope to stay close to home (GC). Were there any other clubs you considered?

It should be interesting to see how Liberty does going forward without the pipeline of manhasset girls. Parents and kids aren't going to be so quick to choose Liberty to appease DG!

I'm from GC too and have been around girls lax for quite awhile. Go with Liberty - it's easier for travel to and from practices (YJ is Suffolk based and travel time to their practices is an hour each way).