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Here come the B team dads! Only holdbacks...Born in ‘O5 blah blah blah. My sons on a AA team and they are all ‘06. Your boy can’t hang, move on Daddy Coach. Or let me guess it’s all the AA coaches that are wrong about your little Johnny, right?

That statement comes from a parent that can not face reality of their child's ability. School ball is always based on grade, not age. You are going to have to deal with the fact that you can not blame others for a child's ability to keep up. I see many kids play up in grade.

The reply that age based is silly because in high School they will be all different ages is not a real answer. 05’s competing at 2024 is exactly what the math tells you it is. The math doesn’t lie! Every team has them and everyone knows who they are.


It’s like winning with an asterisk.

Yes you won but you also have 3 05 kids scoring all the goals.
Nice job

I do not have a older kid. But there are some older kids on the team. It does not bother me in the least, because nothing has changed, and nothing will change. Get over it, its old. No asterisk, as everyone has a few...and most repeated early in their academic careers for various reasons (non being lacrosse). Roll over and get off the keyboard, reality isnt always smooth.

the funny thing is I know 4 B teams that have 05 kids on them . I am sure all of them do. So with that said, your point holds no water and you do need a reality check. If your kid was good enough to play A Ball he would be playing . So don’t come on the board and claim 05 kids are talking his spot. There are 06 kids playing on AA teams . They are also taking your sons spot. Your theory Makes no sense .

So, basically, it's okay for you to cheat because you know someone else is doing it. I know plenty of teams that don't. I accept that these teams cheat. You have to accept that your team would be different if they didn't. I'm sure they'd still be good, but it wouldn't be what it is if they weren't cheating. It's ok. We all know. But the board is for teams with kids graduating in 2024, not 2023. People are cheating and we get that it won't stop until some form of age/roster verification is put into place with these tournaments because the owners of these franchises are, let's face it, sort of scummy and the venues just don't care beyond getting the entrance fees.

So, basically, it's okay for you to cheat because you know someone else is doing it. I know plenty of teams that don't. I accept that these teams cheat. You have to accept that your team would be different if they didn't. I'm sure they'd still be good, but it wouldn't be what it is if they weren't cheating. It's ok. We all know. But the board is for teams with kids graduating in 2024, not 2023. People are cheating and we get that it won't stop until some form of age/roster verification is put into place with these tournaments because the owners of these franchises are, let's face it, sort of scummy and the venues just don't care beyond getting the entrance fees.

I'm at a tournament this weekend watching my normal age 2024, and Express, Laxachusettes, etc... have 2024 teams where almost every player is bigger than the 2023 teams. It's pretty sad how dominant they are because of the older age against the normal 2024 kids and watching the parents clap like their kid is Paul Rabil.

In the holdback v holdback final, lax black smokes express

Even if those kids are holdbacks (and you have zero idea if they are), it's grade based lacrosse, so nobody is cheating. God, LI dads love to cry about anything.

that’s where your stupidity comes in to the conversation. Grade base has 05 and o6 kids on the team . There is plenty of 05 kids that are in 6th grade . If it was age based it would not. So how is it cheating when lacrosse is grade based. If a 7th grader is playing in 2024 that would be cheating and I would understand your comment. I am sure there are plenty of teams that do that. Just do not assume just because a kid is 05 he is not on grade.

If you
Can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen.

No one is calling anyone a cheater donkey.
You can have 04s in 2024— you can have a 16 year old in 2024–

And people have a problem with us taking notice ?!,!?
Grade vs age... I get it....
you keep parading your 05 around and I will keep watching him dominate for the next maybe 2 years until the entire grade goes through puberty.

the funny thing is I know 4 B teams that have 05 kids on them . I am sure all of them do. So with that said, your point holds no water and you do need a reality check. If your kid was good enough to play A Ball he would be playing . So don’t come on the board and claim 05 kids are talking his spot. There are 06 kids playing on AA teams . They are also taking your sons spot. Your theory Makes no sense .

There is no down side to an age based system. Club owners should open their eyes and realize that moving to an age based system will increase the amount of families seeking to participate (and return), and therefore, increase their profits. At present there are too many blowouts and mismatches at tournaments, and too many games where one team is much older (bigger, faster, more aggressive, more skilled, higher IQ) than the other one. One of the main reasons for this is that it is very hard for tournament directors to create matchups when you have no idea how old the kids really are, and its very hard for club directors to recommend (or choose) a divisional placement when they have no idea how old the competition will be. If everyone is born within the same 12 month window, than its much easier to place a team based on its skill level and athleticism, as well as performance at prior tournaments.

whatever masshole. I heard the catholic elementary school was signing up 2023s to repeat 7th grade at the tournament so they were eligible for the playoffs today.

Also, lobster pants, how do the parents feel when 5 or 6 of your "new" 2024s show up in the middle of the summer? Wicked good i bet

POINTLESS post!!! People have been complaining about this for years when their little Johnny isn't big enough. When it comes to this age, guess what - size does matter and you are finally realizing it. So in about 6th grade all the complainers come out about the age gap. No matter WHAT rules you follow you will still have the same complainers. Just let your kid play and shut up! He should play where he fits in. Not just because daddy thinks he should be on an AA team

POINTLESS post!!! People have been complaining about this for years when their little Johnny isn't big enough. When it comes to this age, guess what - size does matter and you are finally realizing it. So in about 6th grade all the complainers come out about the age gap. No matter WHAT rules you follow you will still have the same complainers. Just let your kid play and shut up! He should play where he fits in. Not just because daddy thinks he should be on an AA team

Express is sounding like a soar loser here. What, can't take the heat? We beat you last year too. You can't handle away tournaments.

And your post is not pointless? For starters, I am fine with the team that my kid is on - a decent A team. I have no need for him to be on an AA, or AAA, or top notch team. And you know what, if lacrosse went to age based tomorrow, he still plays at the same level. The only difference, and its significant, is that he will play in more competitive games on balance throughout the summer. For now, many games are blowouts and mismatches, with his team winning more than half of them. Kids playing with and against kids in a narrow (12 months variation is more than fine) age group, and with similar skill and athletism is the best environment for their enjoyment and development. This is how nearly every other youth sport does it. Anyone who argues otherwise is clueless. I can tell you that the best coaches at the highest level of youth hockey uniformly frown upon the idea of "playing up" - both in an individual sense and in a team sense. The way to get better, instead, is to just find better teams your own age.

Also, size is just about the last problem with wide age variations. The advantage older kids have is with speed, quickness, hand-eye coordination, strength (in terms of passing and shooting), aggression, and lacrosse IQ. Size is just about last on the list. Site unseen, and with no inside information, I would in a blind draft pick a team of tiny older kids vs a team of large younger kids every single time.

And you are dead wrong when you say "no matter WHAT rules you follow you will still have the same complainers." Having kids that play competitively in age based youth sports, no one, and I repeat, no one complains about a kid being big, or fast, or just plain better - because they know he is of age. You must be a parent that only has their kids playing lacrosse. Your statement is simply wrong. Its simply a myth that people will still complain about this issue if they move to an age based system - because no one complains about it in the myriad of other sports that base the system on age.

And by the way, please explain to me how posting on a message board stops my kid from playing. "Just let your kid play and shut up!" Hey, thats a real powerful argument. I am sorry you can't rely on logic and reason like a normal person. And to repeat what I said above, since you appear to be a bit slow: I don't think my kid should be on a better team than he is on now. I don't think older kids are holding him back or taking his spots. In an age based system, his "spot" would just be taking by a more skilled, more athletic on-age kid. Moving him up in the youth lax world is not the goal. The goal is simply to make the sport better - to have better games; games that are more evenly competed; games that are not dominated by age outliers.

Definitely a mom. Who writes that much? I couldn't even get through reading it. Blah, Blah... You like to hear yourself talk.

what is the excuse gonna be next year when school ball starts. the eighth graders are to big.get use to it. it only gets harder from here on out. mommy and daddy ball is over unless you pay $3000 to play on a B-C team with 30 kids on the roster. good luck with that

Definitely a mom. Who writes that much? I couldn't even get through reading it. Blah, Blah... You like to hear yourself talk.

I really hope it is not an adult. You learn rather early in your education that you should not start a sentence with And.

POINTLESS post!!! People have been complaining about this for years when their little Johnny isn't big enough. When it comes to this age, guess what - size does matter and you are finally realizing it. So in about 6th grade all the complainers come out about the age gap. No matter WHAT rules you follow you will still have the same complainers. Just let your kid play and shut up! He should play where he fits in. Not just because daddy thinks he should be on an AA team

that’s where your stupidity comes in to the conversation. Grade base has 05 and o6 kids on the team . There is plenty of 05 kids that are in 6th grade . If it was age based it would not. So how is it cheating when lacrosse is grade based. If a 7th grader is playing in 2024 that would be cheating and I would understand your comment. I am sure there are plenty of teams that do that. Just do not assume just because a kid is 05 he is not on grade.

I believe you missed the entire point. There should NOT be plenty of kids born in 05 in the 6th grade!!!!