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Thank you for sharing, I couldn't agree more. I'm not going to profess that I have an easy fix, but it 100% starts and finishes with the adults. Coaches, Parents, Aunts/Uncles...
If WE spread positive, the kids follow. If WE display self-control in the face of adversity, the kids will follow. I LOVE this game. It's sad what can be seen, not all the time, but too often, at these games. And for what?! A T-Shirt?!

Club Directors have the greatest responsibility to the game, and that is to help foster better sportsmanship at these pay-for-play tournaments. Winning IS NOT, everything! COMPETING IS! In particular when the competitors have fought hard, and HONORABLY.

CLUB DIRECTORS: Pony up! Give back to the game that has enriched you. Start a Coalition for positive change in youth lacrosse that promotes friendship, competition and respect! I'm sure US Lacrosse, or any local lacrosse organization would welcome the leadership.

Completely agree with your comments. I would ask the refs to know the rules and do their best. Don't just show up for a paycheck. Parents pay upwards of $2k for a summer of lacrosse plus travel and hotels. Respect the game and know the rules (NCAA or high school) and take pride in your sport. You're the only folks (aside from the tourney organizers, club directors and coaches) getting paid out there.

Igloo
Schwalje
United
O'Reilly

1st teams that are on the same level are True Blue, Hitmen, Empire A and Force

If your son is not playing on one of the elite teams, these are the teams to play for imho

Outlaws champs of fl$ Classic avenging earlier loss to Predators.

I assuming this post is in reference to the embarrassing display of MM and Team 91 last weekend. A bench clearing brawl; this club owner and coach encompasses everything that is wrong with youth sports today. Something needs to be done to clears the sidelines of these types of coaches.

LOL !! Winning a B tournament now that something to hang your hat on ! Go Rebels !

I was there and there are two sides to the story. For the record, I have no dog in the fight. I was there watching another team. Also for the record, the club owner you reference is one and the same. Both teams in the game were Team 91. One from MD and one from NY. Once club owner is ultimately responsible for both team's behavior. That said, I saw both games the two teams played. The brawl as you call it started with the referees and not keeping control of the game. One cross check to the head, ok, but two and three without blowing your whistle? That is how this escalated and blaming one team and not the other is silly. This is a fast moving, passionately played game. If officials do not control the kids, things are bound to go off the rails. First punch definitely thrown by #9 from MD, BUT only after he had been deliberately hit in the head multiple times, the last leading to his helmet flying off. At that point, the officials had lost control and it was every man/kid for themselves. The kid reacted as most would and cracked the guy. Then things were a mess. Sad for the game that so many love. Many, many things wrong with the game at this level. Coaches, parents, tournament directors, college coaches, etc. But don't put all of the blame for one incident on one coach and team. It was a group effort. Again, I was there and I heard plenty of chatter coming from both benches and both coaches, so signaling one out isn't fair. To be honest, one of the positives I saw come out of this incident was the following day. As luck would have it, these teams would meet again 24 hours later in the semifinals. The officials did set the tone early by calling a penalty right off the bat. He said I'm not gonna have it today. Not gonna happen. The game was physical and aggressive, but played within the rules. It was high level lacrosse played the way it should be. Again, no dog in the fight, but you have to give credit to the team from MD. They were on the road after an ugly incident, which did include a lopsided loss in which the better team won. They were composed, played their jerks off, were physical and made a statement WITHIN the rules. They dominated a team that had done the same to them just 24 hours earlier. Great show of courage by those boys. Smash took the defeat with class as well. So even though it was an ugly situation, there was some positivity that followed. I hope we don't see these incidents in the future, but chances are they will continue. It's an aggressive sport played by players and coaches that care. Passion sometimes leads to stupidity, but I believe inside the players and most coaches have good intentions.

Schwalje won 2 of 5 games in the 'B' division this weekend!
United won 2 of 5 games in the "A" division this weekend and played top tier teams!

Take any Express team out of the conversation other than Chan of course. all 3 other teams stink! The supposed 2nd team Schwaile is not even a B team they lose down in that bracket to below average teams. Chucks and O'Reilly are ever worse! Just Express money grabs to finance the top team !

MD RR play dirty-Fact. You hit me with a stick in the privates away from the play and I will jam it back up yours. To not react to the RR BS would be wrong.

LOL !! Winning a B tournament now that something to hang your hat on ! Go Rebels !

MD RR play dirty-Fact. You hit me with a stick in the privates away from the play and I will jam it back up yours. To not react to the RR BS would be wrong.

It's just light hearted fun blogging. Take a chill. It does mean nothing other than some teams rhat were not considered elite a year ago, are now playing really well. No big deal. Nobody ranking (me included) ever boasted qualifications or claimed to have them, just makes conversation, until somebody has something negative to add.. So, please, respectfully, turn off your blog police sirens.

Kinda agree but I wouldn't put the Hawks in 5th on any list for this age group- they would beat the 4 ahead of them 2 out of 3 times. Smash has 1 player and hardly deserves 2nd on this list. Primetime is just like any of the bottom of the list too- all very equal . Good but equal. RR and Express certainly deserve top spots with back to back titles in very good tournaments.

Since you were there and have no dog in the fight, why did you leave out the part where Millon was calling kids on Smash scumbags and Long Island trash? That seems like it could be part of the story. Was this the first time the kid threw a punch or cheap shot in a game? How many times has Millon been thrown out of a game or tournament? I bet it is 5 or more in the last year alone. The lacrosse community is small. People talk. Sometimes people talk between games about their own coach because they are frustrated that he acts like a child.

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I was there and there are two sides to the story. For the record, I have no dog in the fight. I was there watching another team. Also for the record, the club owner you reference is one and the same. Both teams in the game were Team 91. One from MD and one from NY. Once club owner is ultimately responsible for both team's behavior. That said, I saw both games the two teams played. The brawl as you call it started with the referees and not keeping control of the game. One cross check to the head, ok, but two and three without blowing your whistle? That is how this escalated and blaming one team and not the other is silly. This is a fast moving, passionately played game. If officials do not control the kids, things are bound to go off the rails. First punch definitely thrown by #9 from MD, BUT only after he had been deliberately hit in the head multiple times, the last leading to his helmet flying off. At that point, the officials had lost control and it was every man/kid for themselves. The kid reacted as most would and cracked the guy. Then things were a mess. Sad for the game that so many love. Many, many things wrong with the game at this level. Coaches, parents, tournament directors, college coaches, etc. But don't put all of the blame for one incident on one coach and team. It was a group effort. Again, I was there and I heard plenty of chatter coming from both benches and both coaches, so signaling one out isn't fair. To be honest, one of the positives I saw come out of this incident was the following day. As luck would have it, these teams would meet again 24 hours later in the semifinals. The officials did set the tone early by calling a penalty right off the bat. He said I'm not gonna have it today. Not gonna happen. The game was physical and aggressive, but played within the rules. It was high level lacrosse played the way it should be. Again, no dog in the fight, but you have to give credit to the team from MD. They were on the road after an ugly incident, which did include a lopsided loss in which the better team won. They were composed, played their jerks off, were physical and made a statement WITHIN the rules. They dominated a team that had done the same to them just 24 hours earlier. Great show of courage by those boys. Smash took the defeat with class as well. So even though it was an ugly situation, there was some positivity that followed. I hope we don't see these incidents in the future, but chances are they will continue. It's an aggressive sport played by players and coaches that care. Passion sometimes leads to stupidity, but I believe inside the players and most coaches have good intentions.

MD RR play dirty-Fact. You hit me with a stick in the privates away from the play and I will jam it back up yours. To not react to the RR BS would be wrong.

Isn't Millon from Long Island? Somehow I don't think calling kids Long Island trash would be his go-to insult.

Granted - MM is terrible at coaching kids and doesn't see why you don't treat them like 20 year olds, but in this case, the reffing by all accounts sees horrendous - even by Long Island Summer Tournament standards.

Any kid getting repeated checks to the head will be forced to protect himself if the refs don't do it for him.

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Fake news, The Schwalje team tied Igloo and lost a one goal game and an overtime game to the 2nd Laxchucetts team this weekend. Got beat by a solid True Blue team, but that's the 4th time the two have played them and it's 2-2.

Schwalje won 2 of 5 games in the 'B' division this weekend!
United won 2 of 5 games in the "A" division this weekend and played top tier teams!

you are joking, right. None of these team would even think of playing the teams United played last weekend. You should just take United off the list and replace them with teams that don't play real competition like Legacy, Outlaws or Hitmen. They all pretend to be an A/AA team but are more inline with this list.

Comical. What angels those RR players must be defending the refs honor. That is such BS. Penalty against outlaws was on offensive end. RR player butt ended outlaw on opposite end of field. Your little angel is not what you think. Typical MD garbage though.

Now that was a hysterical response. You’re from MD I’m assuming since you know so much about the coaches. Those coaches would Never pull a player. It seemed like they actually condoned the RR behavior. Especially the short heavy set coach. Obnoxious and deplorable behavior by players coaches and parents on the RR side.

Comical. What angels those RR players must be defending the refs honor. That is such BS. Penalty against outlaws was on offensive end. RR player butt ended outlaw on opposite end of field. Your little angel is not what you think. Typical MD garbage though.

United may play in the AA bracket but don't really belong there. They are a B+ team until they Marksberry steals more kids from other teams, simple as that!

KETTLE.....MEET POT. NOT MY RR CHILD. HE WOULD NEVER...FACTS ARE STRAIGHT. Coaches had absolutely no control nor did they care what the RR players were doing. They didn’t pull that player that day so don’t expect us to believe they did it before. Stop with the not my child nonsense. Just admit your child did and we could all move on. Outlaws acted like stunads AND SO DID RR’s. Stop saying you did nothing wrong. BTW RR parents might be the worst we’ve ever seen. Whiny whiny.

Whiny whiny, you mean something like you???