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The Ducks are rebranding. Hopefully they clear out some of those nightmare parents and kids that play dirty.

Thats correct every team had a few big athletic kids as would be expected at this age as they all mature at different times. Whst i dont understand is the parents and the trash talk within earshot of the kids. Some of tge LI parents take being a FLID to a whole new level.

It would really be refreshing to clear house with a few of the losers who don't belong on the field.

I just don't understand the LI parent obsession with the notion of holdbacks. All of the teams had big, athletic kids. The Hawks weren't the biggest team there this weekend. Not even close - that was clearly Laxachusetts who lost a few games. I was particularly appalled by the focus on two of our kids - calling them out by number, telling your kids to target them, etc. Like it, believe it, or not, they are 13 years old. I don't have a problem believing that your 6'5 240 pound goalie is 13. He was lights out in the game and I enjoyed watching him play. PT and LIE had phenomenal players with excellent coaching. The parents, however, were embarrassing. I wish that our parents had ignored them but it was pretty much impossible with what was coming out of the LI parents' mouths.
Best of luck to your kids. You never know - some of them could be dorm mates in 5 years.

13 years old now ... but if they turn 14 before December 1, 2018, than they are a holdback as per NY's school calendar year. Yes, I understand that MD and other states use different school calendar years that make their kids "older" per grade, and yes I understand that there are many kids who started kindergarten late due to issues having nothing to do with lacrosse, and yes I understand countless other points relevant to this issue .....

However, all of this nonsense and vitriol can be eliminated if the following were to occur: 1) youth lacrosse separates kids based on date of birth and not grade in school (use Jan 1 - Dec 31, or Sept 1 - Aug 31 - it doesn't matter, just pick one); 2) have birth certificates and official rosters be submitted by the clubs to US Lacrosse each season (certificates need only be submitted once for each player if they are in year 2+ for the club); 3) have an official score sheet for each game, in triplicate, with a roster sticker for each team placed on each copy. The ref and each team's coach signs the sheet after each game, with a copy to each of the teams, one to the tournament, which sends a copy to US lacrosse (each team will have a manager to do this stuff independent of the coaches).

This is exactly what happens in USA hockey, and as a result, ALL parents and coaches trust that everyone is of age and legitimately rostered. Parents can still be jerks to each other concerning penalties and dirty play, but no one bitches and moans about holdbacks, overaged kids, kids driving to 7th grade games, passive aggressive comments meant to be overheard by the other team's parents, etc.

And yes, the next Paul Rabil that is sleeping at each of your houses can play "up" if that is what the parents and the coaches think is best for the kid and the club.

13 years old now ... but if they turn 14 before December 1, 2018, than they are a holdback as per NY's school calendar year. Yes, I understand that MD and other states use different school calendar years that make their kids "older" per grade, and yes I understand that there are many kids who started kindergarten late due to issues having nothing to do with lacrosse, and yes I understand countless other points relevant to this issue .....

However, all of this nonsense and vitriol can be eliminated if the following were to occur: 1) youth lacrosse separates kids based on date of birth and not grade in school (use Jan 1 - Dec 31, or Sept 1 - Aug 31 - it doesn't matter, just pick one); 2) have birth certificates and official rosters be submitted by the clubs to US Lacrosse each season (certificates need only be submitted once for each player if they are in year 2+ for the club); 3) have an official score sheet for each game, in triplicate, with a roster sticker for each team placed on each copy. The ref and each team's coach signs the sheet after each game, with a copy to each of the teams, one to the tournament, which sends a copy to US lacrosse (each team will have a manager to do this stuff independent of the coaches).

This is exactly what happens in USA hockey, and as a result, ALL parents and coaches trust that everyone is of age and legitimately rostered. Parents can still be jerks to each other concerning penalties and dirty play, but no one bitches and moans about holdbacks, overaged kids, kids driving to 7th grade games, passive aggressive comments meant to be overheard by the other team's parents, etc.

And yes, the next Paul Rabil that is sleeping at each of your houses can play "up" if that is what the parents and the coaches think is best for the kid and the club.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Thats correct every team had a few big athletic kids as would be expected at this age as they all mature at different times. Whst i dont understand is the parents and the trash talk within earshot of the kids. Some of tge LI parents take being a FLID to a whole new level.

13 years old now ... but if they turn 14 before December 1, 2018, than they are a holdback as per NY's school calendar year. Yes, I understand that MD and other states use different school calendar years that make their kids "older" per grade, and yes I understand that there are many kids who started kindergarten late due to issues having nothing to do with lacrosse, and yes I understand countless other points relevant to this issue .....

However, all of this nonsense and vitriol can be eliminated if the following were to occur: 1) youth lacrosse separates kids based on date of birth and not grade in school (use Jan 1 - Dec 31, or Sept 1 - Aug 31 - it doesn't matter, just pick one); 2) have birth certificates and official rosters be submitted by the clubs to US Lacrosse each season (certificates need only be submitted once for each player if they are in year 2+ for the club); 3) have an official score sheet for each game, in triplicate, with a roster sticker for each team placed on each copy. The ref and each team's coach signs the sheet after each game, with a copy to each of the teams, one to the tournament, which sends a copy to US lacrosse (each team will have a manager to do this stuff independent of the coaches).

This is exactly what happens in USA hockey, and as a result, ALL parents and coaches trust that everyone is of age and legitimately rostered. Parents can still be jerks to each other concerning penalties and dirty play, but no one bitches and moans about holdbacks, overaged kids, kids driving to 7th grade games, passive aggressive comments meant to be overheard by the other team's parents, etc.

And yes, the next Paul Rabil that is sleeping at each of your houses can play "up" if that is what the parents and the coaches think is best for the kid and the club.

13 years old now ... but if they turn 14 before December 1, 2018, than they are a holdback as per NY's school calendar year. Yes, I understand that MD and other states use different school calendar years that make their kids "older" per grade, and yes I understand that there are many kids who started kindergarten late due to issues having nothing to do with lacrosse, and yes I understand countless other points relevant to this issue .....

However, all of this nonsense and vitriol can be eliminated if the following were to occur: 1) youth lacrosse separates kids based on date of birth and not grade in school (use Jan 1 - Dec 31, or Sept 1 - Aug 31 - it doesn't matter, just pick one); 2) have birth certificates and official rosters be submitted by the clubs to US Lacrosse each season (certificates need only be submitted once for each player if they are in year 2+ for the club); 3) have an official score sheet for each game, in triplicate, with a roster sticker for each team placed on each copy. The ref and each team's coach signs the sheet after each game, with a copy to each of the teams, one to the tournament, which sends a copy to US lacrosse (each team will have a manager to do this stuff independent of the coaches).

This is exactly what happens in USA hockey, and as a result, ALL parents and coaches trust that everyone is of age and legitimately rostered. Parents can still be jerks to each other concerning penalties and dirty play, but no one bitches and moans about holdbacks, overaged kids, kids driving to 7th grade games, passive aggressive comments meant to be overheard by the other team's parents, etc.

And yes, the next Paul Rabil that is sleeping at each of your houses can play "up" if that is what the parents and the coaches think is best for the kid and the club.

13 years old now ... but if they turn 14 before December 1, 2018, than they are a holdback as per NY's school calendar year. Yes, I understand that MD and other states use different school calendar years that make their kids "older" per grade, and yes I understand that there are many kids who started kindergarten late due to issues having nothing to do with lacrosse, and yes I understand countless other points relevant to this issue .....

However, all of this nonsense and vitriol can be eliminated if the following were to occur: 1) youth lacrosse separates kids based on date of birth and not grade in school (use Jan 1 - Dec 31, or Sept 1 - Aug 31 - it doesn't matter, just pick one); 2) have birth certificates and official rosters be submitted by the clubs to US Lacrosse each season (certificates need only be submitted once for each player if they are in year 2+ for the club); 3) have an official score sheet for each game, in triplicate, with a roster sticker for each team placed on each copy. The ref and each team's coach signs the sheet after each game, with a copy to each of the teams, one to the tournament, which sends a copy to US lacrosse (each team will have a manager to do this stuff independent of the coaches).

This is exactly what happens in USA hockey, and as a result, ALL parents and coaches trust that everyone is of age and legitimately rostered. Parents can still be jerks to each other concerning penalties and dirty play, but no one bitches and moans about holdbacks, overaged kids, kids driving to 7th grade games, passive aggressive comments meant to be overheard by the other team's parents, etc.

And yes, the next Paul Rabil that is sleeping at each of your houses can play "up" if that is what the parents and the coaches think is best for the kid and the club.

I just don't understand the LI parent obsession with the notion of holdbacks. All of the teams had big, athletic kids. The Hawks weren't the biggest team there this weekend. Not even close - that was clearly Laxachusetts who lost a few games. I was particularly appalled by the focus on two of our kids - calling them out by number, telling your kids to target them, etc. Like it, believe it, or not, they are 13 years old. I don't have a problem believing that your 6'5 240 pound goalie is 13. He was lights out in the game and I enjoyed watching him play. PT and LIE had phenomenal players with excellent coaching. The parents, however, were embarrassing. I wish that our parents had ignored them but it was pretty much impossible with what was coming out of the LI parents' mouths.
Best of luck to your kids. You never know - some of them could be dorm mates in 5 years


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Or we can acknowledge that this is lacrosse and not hockey. I agree - more stringent guidelines could level the playing field - but that doesn’t mean that all states will change their school ages... which means the argument then comes with playing with your age appropriate teammates or your peers that you will be in Highschool and college with. My 14 year old 9th grader played against 19 year old seniors in Highschool. This argument becomes a mute point in a year. Unless you make the rules or host a tournament in which you decide the rules - it is what it is. Just go with it. You won’t have any control over it in Highschool and college...

It was good lacrosse this weekend, regardless of age differences or crazy parents.

People that continually bring this up are diminishing their child’s or their child’s team’s efforts. You are essentially saying you can’t win against them, because they are cheaters - which they aren’t. Or if you win .,, you are so great- because you beat the cheaters. How about we send the message that hard work pays off and eventually things even out. It’s a life lesson and one that will prove fruitful in the future when they are playing with teammates within a 5 year spread, not just a few months.

There was great lacrosse this past weekend. All teams had big, strong, fast kids! Enjoy it. It won’t be around forever.

Hawks by far were the biggest team there....Very well coached and talented players but not many 13 year olds on that team...I would gather a couple of 15 year olds as well...But whatever makes you happy I guess...Good luck the rest of the summer!

13 years old now ... but if they turn 14 before December 1, 2018, than they are a holdback as per NY's school calendar year. Yes, I understand that MD and other states use different school calendar years that make their kids "older" per grade, and yes I understand that there are many kids who started kindergarten late due to issues having nothing to do with lacrosse, and yes I understand countless other points relevant to this issue .....

However, all of this nonsense and vitriol can be eliminated if the following were to occur: 1) youth lacrosse separates kids based on date of birth and not grade in school (use Jan 1 - Dec 31, or Sept 1 - Aug 31 - it doesn't matter, just pick one); 2) have birth certificates and official rosters be submitted by the clubs to US Lacrosse each season (certificates need only be submitted once for each player if they are in year 2+ for the club); 3) have an official score sheet for each game, in triplicate, with a roster sticker for each team placed on each copy. The ref and each team's coach signs the sheet after each game, with a copy to each of the teams, one to the tournament, which sends a copy to US lacrosse (each team will have a manager to do this stuff independent of the coaches).

This is exactly what happens in USA hockey, and as a result, ALL parents and coaches trust that everyone is of age and legitimately rostered. Parents can still be jerks to each other concerning penalties and dirty play, but no one moans about holdbacks, overaged kids, kids driving to 7th grade games, passive aggressive comments meant to be overheard by the other team's parents, etc.

And yes, the next Paul Rabil that is sleeping at each of your houses can play "up" if that is what the parents and the coaches think is best for the kid and the club.

13 years old now ... but if they turn 14 before December 1, 2018, than they are a holdback as per NY's school calendar year. Yes, I understand that MD and other states use different school calendar years that make their kids "older" per grade, and yes I understand that there are many kids who started kindergarten late due to issues having nothing to do with lacrosse, and yes I understand countless other points relevant to this issue .....

However, all of this nonsense and vitriol can be eliminated if the following were to occur: 1) youth lacrosse separates kids based on date of birth and not grade in school (use Jan 1 - Dec 31, or Sept 1 - Aug 31 - it doesn't matter, just pick one); 2) have birth certificates and official rosters be submitted by the clubs to US Lacrosse each season (certificates need only be submitted once for each player if they are in year 2+ for the club); 3) have an official score sheet for each game, in triplicate, with a roster sticker for each team placed on each copy. The ref and each team's coach signs the sheet after each game, with a copy to each of the teams, one to the tournament, which sends a copy to US lacrosse (each team will have a manager to do this stuff independent of the coaches).

This is exactly what happens in USA hockey, and as a result, ALL parents and coaches trust that everyone is of age and legitimately rostered. Parents can still be jerks to each other concerning penalties and dirty play, but no one bitches and moans about holdbacks, overaged kids, kids driving to 7th grade games, passive aggressive comments meant to be overheard by the other team's parents, etc.

And yes, the next Paul Rabil that is sleeping at each of your houses can play "up" if that is what the parents and the coaches think is best for the kid and the club.

The post I believe you are responding to speaks to youth lacrosse, not HS lacrosse. What are you are doing is raising a straw man argument - arguing against a point that no one is making, thus creating the illusion that you have "won" the argument. No one, and I mean no one, has ever stated that HS lacrosse should be age based. There is not on single sport that organizes kids by age and not grade at HS. The discussion is, and always has been, about youth travel lacrosse, which everyone understands is defined as 8th grade (or age equivalent) and below.

Your argument about cheating and life lessons is lame. Again, you use a straw man technique. No one is arguing that a team with older kids who are nonetheless in 7th grade (or "plan" on graduating in 2023) is cheating. People are arguing for a change in the system rendering such age differences non-existant, unless you want that for your son, in which case, you choose to have him play up. The argument about life lessons is just simply wrong. There are no life lessons to be learned in soccer, hockey and every other youth sport that groups kids by age??

And no one needs to prepare at the youth level for the wider age spread at the HS level. The HS level is about ability - nothing more. Further, at HS, the age gaps mean less. Your Freshman son who played varsity is a prime example. He played there because he was good enough. If he wasn't, he would have been on JV or the freshman team (if applicable). Again, ALL other sports which use age based youth systems see their kids play in HS. If the kid is good enough, he gets to varsity at a young age. If not, he doesn't. The kid doesn't need to play against 14 year olds in 6th grade in order for this to occur. You are creating a cause and effect when none exists.

If you watched the NHL draft, nearly every kid drafted (you are eligible when you turn 18 prior to Sept 15 following the draft) was coming from a junior team (or sometimes with a European, a professional league). Junior teams start at age 16 and go to age 20. Professional leagues are obviously leagues for men. ALL of these players played age based up to, and through, age 15. When they got to age 16, the best of the best jumped into the big pool of junior hockey where age means nothing and played against kids up through age 20. Club lacrosse can do the same - play per birth year through 15 (or make it stop at 14), and then thereafter, play on a "junior" team vs the best kids age 16 (or 15) and above - through 20. The bottom line in hockey and other sports is no one is worse off because they played on age up through their early teen years. And these sports are much more popular and have higher participation rates than lacrosse.

What's the deal with the Long Island coaches? Are most of them crazy? the Long Beach guy makes the outlaw and true blue guy seem normal!!!!! I don't get it!!!

Not all... just the ones you listed!!!!

All of the Hawks boys are 13. Some of those games could of went either way but Hawks prevailed. So if the only excuse you have is the holdback card then play it. Its a shame the actions of a few put a damper on such great competition up there. I’m not sure whats worse the few loud mouth parents that dont know the game besides to yell “thats a hold”, “that boy is 20”, “work his back” or the traffic. The boys on the teams were very respectful and showed great sportsmanship.

Can someone please make the MD boards open so the MD crab munchers can go back to insulting each other again?

Can someone please make the MD boards open so the MD crab munchers can go back to insulting each other again?

JC and DK very out spoken yes do they curse yes but two excellent coaches IMHO... Don't know anything about Long Beach or Outlaws coach.

S2S playing in a B bracket this weekend? Is that a mistake?

You stalking young boys every weekend. That is a problem.

Take it easy buddy... just checking my son's schedule (his team is in the B bracket). Honestly hoping it is a mistake. Our guys play hard but can't compete with S2S.

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Not the original responder but do feel the same way. There are no other LI teams in that group so are you stalking the kids, the LI teams or the LI lax board? They say admittance is the first sign that you have a problem.

This is the LI, Westchester, and CT forum. Are there no teams from those areas in the group? Check again. Sorry that I asked a legitimate question on this site. Glad to hear it is the B team. I was unaware they had one. Best of luck to the A team in Denver.

This is the LI, Westchester, and CT forum. Are there no teams from those areas in the group? Check again. Sorry that I asked a legitimate question on this site. Glad to hear it is the B team. I was unaware they had one. Best of luck to the A team in Denver.

So what team does your kid play on? You seem very familiar with the S2S A team. If you are a regular on the board there has been a lot of conversation on their B team.

True Blue went down to Maryland and kicked some butt.

True Blue went down to Maryland and kicked some butt.