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the camp in early july is not for tryouts. tryouts are july 23-25

the camp in early july is not for tryouts. tryouts are july 23-25

Okay, so camp value, I agree. But impoving tryout results, I don't. I have been involved with this for years as a parent (it used be Sept on a Sat/Sun). And best kids were always picked...somehow.... However, this a copycat business and now other clubs will follow and do the same thing. The best way to do this, since its going this way, is to hold a tryout camp and then on day 2 separate the kids into groups based on ability. And let kids in lower groups play their way back into the top group. Express and 91 used to do something similar, however, the lower groups were like cast offs and basically felt cut already. Also, how about the clubs providing a grading sheet for eachildren player? Let each kid know where he stands and let him know what he does well and what needs improvement. e.g. weak off hand skills, good lax IQ, strong footwork, etc. Develop the categories and give feedback. Do that, and I would send my son to the 91 camp (and we have no plans of playing for 91) just for the feedback evaluation and extra lax.

Both the 91 camp and the Legacy groupon is a marketing ploy. You should all realise by now that the club team is a business.

Legacy is clearly trying to maximize the number of people trying out. Figuring if more try out they end up making the same money anyway. And they have more talent to choose from for their team. It obviously works for them, because they do the groupon every year.

If you look at 91 past tryout schedules they spent 15 hours to cover tryouts for 8 grades. Plus an additional 3 hrs for the top 2 oldest grades.
So essentially they figured out if they did the grades as a camp for 3 days at 5 hours each day, they could just split up the coaches for the drills and charge more for each kid because now its a camp. And it may attract more people because it may cost $165 instead of $100 but their kid gets to be at a camp for 3 days. Actually its a pretty good deal if you ask me. The risk is they may lose peopke trying out who cant committ to a 3 day camp.But honestly if someone is serious, they will just contact 91 and Im sure they will arrange another way for a kid to tryout. The big question is since the camp is in early July, is 91 going to put out their roster and commitment date before Express and Legacys tryouts. Essentially trying to grab the talent early. That could backfire. Igloo tried that last year, and seemed to be scrounging for players this year.

I'd give them the $165 + $100 extra to not have to waste 3 days of my kid's life in a stupid camp over the summer when the season is over.

I think you have to be careful since you are making this a camp about seperating the kids in the different grades based on ability. I think you shoulo dbt do that for drill evaluations, because its not necessary. And the weaker kids can learn a lot from the more experienced kids. But you can do that for scrimmages. After all, 91 (just like Express) wants to create AA, A, and B teams in each grade level ideally. So start thinking during the drills where the kids fit, so in scrimmages you can create those teams and see how they mesh.

I 100% agree with you about grading sheet evaluations. 91 cant "talk the talk" about bringing tryouts to a new level by creating a camp without "walking the walk" and actually evaluating each player who comes to their camp abd providing written feedback to parents at the end. All good camps do this. And honestly it would help for the 91 teams moving forward. Because those evaluations can be given to the team coaches moving forward into the season, so they can continue to assess the kids on the team and provide feedback and suggestions. This way you will have club teans doing essentially what there purpose is, to not just absorb talented kids but actually to develop all their players into top athletes. The winning of tournaments will happen naturally with that focus, 91 can then truly take credit for kids who receive college commitments in the future, and parents will be far more satisfied with their teams, plus coaches will have the backup for the playing decisions they make and should be able to control parents better.

In reality, all teams should consider doing the camp scenario. It probably will be far better. And if they do it right, people will gravitate towards these organizations.

Thanks for the reply. Any format is fine is I guess as long as it's run well. But the individual evaluation emailed to each parent is needed and can clear up the rose colored glasses. Because parents will cheer when a kid sqeezes through a double and scores on a low percentage shot, when the all the evaler was looking for was the kid to pass to an open guy when he drew the double or winning a ground and immediately looking to move the ball and his feet. Goals are nice, but they are looking for everything else. I have heard it in the past. My kid scored 3 goals in the scrimmage at tryouts and they put him on the B team. Why?... because lax IQ at this point is average, stops his feet in traffic, no confidience in his off hand, and does not go after groundballa aggressively. If it's honest true it should be accepted and clubs should be willing to develop. Makes a better prodect, makes happier parents, and yeah kids improve and have fun.

who are the rebels lacrosse? is this a new organization?

Yup. Appears to be new. There was a Rebels lacrosse years ago but not since 2013.

This seems to be created by Blatant Athletics. Promising a lot and charging a lot. For a new club who has to build a name, they are going to find it difficult when they are charging the same as the top clubs.
https://www.rebelslc.com/about-us

Look at the staff.
All Legacy coaches.
Does not bode well for Legacy.

Look at the staff.
All Legacy coaches.
Does not bode well for Legacy.

Whats going on with the fighting ducks?? Heard they are splitting up and a bunch of coaches and directors are starting a new team.

Whats going on with the fighting ducks?? Heard they are splitting up and a bunch of coaches and directors are starting a new team.

Legacy shot themselves in the foot with their new coaching decision.

I believe it's Blatant. Which likely means it's a Brennan run club.

Sorry, Mike Brennan they are talking about is the one from Outlaws, not Michael Brennan from Legacy.

Sorry, Mike Brennan they are talking about is the one from Outlaws, not Michael Brennan from Legacy.

Will the Golden Geese exist next year ?

I have to say I like that they are up front with the price. On 91 after all the training fall and winter I’m paying WAY more than what rebels charging.

Rebels Lacrosse Club is owned by Blatant Athletics, and is not affiliated with the Outlaws. This is a new club starting this fall. I agree that we are promising a lot, and we will deliver even more.

Please feel free to call the office 516-586-8162 or shoot us an email to info@rebelsLC.com ... we are all about communication and transparency.

-Mike Brennan

What was not included in the 91 price except box lacrosse and the helmet.
No program includes box lacrosse. And although the helmet is questionable, thats it. Winter training was included in the 91 price. Not sure what you think your getting from any other club.

What happen at NLF yesterday. Last two NLFs someone lost in the semis before they could get to Chan

What happen at NLF yesterday. Last two NLFs someone lost in the semis before they could get to Chan

They soften them up for you so Chan doesn't have to really shorten the bench. Say thanks, your son got to play.

You all need to wake up and look in the mirror. 91 and Chan are doing the exact same antics and you are all falling for it.
- both are overloaded
- both take kids from other teams mid season
- Coaches on both care about winning more than about developing their kids
- Both make promises to parents at the beginning of the season to get people to sign on, and then do whatever they want
- Both play shallow and not deep, so you fail to actually develop your team for the long run

What this weekend proved is neither of you are really superior. You both played flat in the first half of your games, and relied on keeping benches super tight to try to catch up. While the other teams rotated their entire team.

What does this mean? It means in the long run your both going to be passed by since your first line players are not that phenomenal since both teams were struggling.
The teams that play with depth and develop all their players will be the winners as the kids get older, and when it really counts.
Because it doesnt count now. Their in 5th grade. 5 years from being looked at by colleges. 7 years from college. Wake up. Your wasting their childhood and only lining the pockets of the owners of the organizations.

And this tournament showed there is plenty of competition outside of Long Island. Nepotism is your worst enemy.

You should take your son off whichever team he’s playing in, Express or 91. I’m assuming your son is in one of these teams since you have such vast knowledge of the teams. Anyways, you should find a new team you seem really angry and bitter. Good luck

You should take your son off whichever team he’s playing in, Express or 91. I’m assuming your son is in one of these teams since you have such vast knowledge of the teams. Anyways, you should find a new team you seem really angry and bitter. Good luck